The Great Enemy of Truth - The Myth

[ajax]

“The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived and dishonest--but the myth--persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the cliches of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F Kennedy, Commencement Address at Yale University, June 11 1962

[BrotherOfMahonri]

So this thread is for Myths Ajax?

[ajax]

So this thread is for Myths Ajax?

Doesn't matter to me. Fire away.

[BrotherOfMahonri]

The Transfiguration of Brigham Young
http://www.mormonismi.net/pdf/myth_creation.pdf

[ajax]

Snuffer is a prophet-myth

Well, not really. It's not a traditional or legendary story past down by our forebears persistently drummed into our heads and turned into cliche.

[Thomas]

Snuffer is a prophet-myth

I think you are missing the point.

[Ezra]

The Transfiguration of Brigham Young
http://www.mormonismi.net/pdf/myth_creation.pdf

Which is the myth?
The transfiguration. Or the writings that's that the transfigurations is a myth?

Always so hard to tell. As both are Someones Inturpritation of history.

[ajax]

Snuffer is a prophet-myth

Well, not really. It's not a traditional or legendary story past down by our forebears persistently drummed into our heads and turned into cliche.

But there is more than one definition of myth. Here's the other.

a widely held but false belief or idea.

"Widely held"

[shadow]

Among LDSFF, yes.

[ajax]

Well, that's not true either. Yesterday's polls, which I guess have been taken down, suggested otherwise.

[Ezra]

Santa claws being a good tradtions.

Christmas trees being a Christian tradition.

Jerimiah 10:1-5

Public schools being good.
2 nephi 26:20 & 3 nephi 27:11

[Robert Sinclair]

A great Myth passed on from the heads of the church is that for a rich man, all he needs to get to the celestial kingdom of God is pay a faithful tithe and at least 2 meals minimum plus, and he will be good to pass through the gates of the celestial city of God.

This is a Myth and a fairy tale, for this will lead them all straight to hell, including the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds, for it is written that "all" one's surplus beyond that needed for the support of their families is required for keeping the celestial law.

You don't give all your surplus wealth beyond that needed for the support of yourself and your family, you don't meet this minimum law of God required.

To hold onto millions or even billions, after paying tithes and offerings of 2 meals minimum plus, while fellow members are oppressed and burdened and yoked with abject poverty will cause all these to suffer as has been written and foretold thousands of years ago by many prophets of old. And even though the Scriptures written of the D&C. Good to not rob God.

An awakening needs to take place speedily, from this lie, and false story being told before it causes them all to be destroyed as is written in The Book of Enoch the Prophet of the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds and the blind sheep of the day.

Sound the alarm and weep and howl and blow the trumpet in Zion or church about the perversion of God's Word of life.

That they may return to keep the commandments which God has given us, and live forever with him. ♡ ♡

[Ezra]

Please Don't make this another fight over denver thread.

I for one have had my fill of it.

[ajax]

Please Don't make this another fight over denver thread.

I for one have had my fill of it.

Muerte's fault.

[Phoenixstar117]

Here is one to chew on: The Civil war was a fight about morality of slavery.

[ajax]

Everything is my fault.

Not everything. Just this.

[Lance]

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[ajax]

Here is one to chew on: The Civil war was a fight about morality of slavery.

From a book I'm reading, One Nation, Indivisible by Robert Hawes:

Most Americans know the War of 1861-1865 as “the Civil War”. However, since I’m already choosing to quibble with a number of commonly accepted notions, many of which I held to myself for some time, I hope that the reader will not begrudge me one additional deviation from the norm. For that reason, I ask your indulgence in referring to this war as the “War of Secession,” as opposed to “the Civil War”.

“Okay,” sighs the reader who is already wondering what he or she has gotten into, “Why the name change? Is nothing sacred?”

I believe the term “Civil War” is a misnomer for this conflict. A civil war is a conflict between opposing factions of the same country, and is waged for control of the whole. Historical examples of this would include such infamous power struggles as took place in Rome, England, and France, and where the goal was domination of the entire nation or empire through control of the central government. However, this was not the case in our own so-called “Civil War”. Southern secessionists in 1861 were not seeking to conquer Washington or the Northern states and rule the entire American Union; they were fighting for their independence. In the South, the war was, and is sometimes still referred to as, “the War for Southern Independence”. In the North, the war was known as “the War of the Rebellion” or “the War for the Union”. Any of these titles for the conflict would be applicable from the position of the particular side they represent; however, since control of the central government was never an issue in the conflict, I do not believe that the term “civil war” is at all applicable.

Nor is the term “War Between the States” an entirely accurate description of this conflict. The states were directly involved in the fight because they provided the troops that both sides fielded; however, the war was directed, not by individual states, but by two central governments: the United States and the Confederate States. Thus there were two primary factions in conflict here, not a jumble of separate states in conflict with one another, as the title “War Between the States” suggests.

“War of Secession” is, I feel, the best term for this conflict because it unites the disparate interests of both sides in one truly common theme. Without the fact of secession, there would have been no war, certainly not as we know it today. The opposing forces took to the battlefield under the color of different ideological and political banners, but it was the single question of secession that brought them there, regardless of their opinion on that question.

[LittleLion]

"the war was directed, not by individual states, but by two central governments: the United States and the Confederate States. Thus there were two primary factions in conflict here, not a jumble of separate states in conflict with one another, as the title “War Between the States” suggests."

This is the same "myth" that is being bantered about in the succession thread. Robert Hawes is sadly mistaken. The whole of the war was directed by one family for one reason. More smoke and mirrors to keep people looking in another direction. This kind of propaganda is what creates myths in the first place, keeps them going and makes them work so well.

[BroJones]

The official story of 9/11.

[ajax]

"the war was directed, not by individual states, but by two central governments: the United States and the Confederate States. Thus there were two primary factions in conflict here, not a jumble of separate states in conflict with one another, as the title “War Between the States” suggests."

This is the same "myth" that is being bantered about in the succession thread. Robert Hawes is sadly mistaken. The whole of the war was directed by one family for one reason. More smoke and mirrors to keep people looking in another direction. This kind of propaganda is what creates myths in the first place, keeps them going and makes them work so well.

His point was, it wasn't a free for all conflict where all the states were fighting each other. There were, namely two sides, not 12 sides or 14 sides or 20 sides. So he doesn't really like the term "War between the States" for that reason. Picky picky.

[Phoenixstar117]

Returning to the point of the thread though, how does this perception of history affect today? Why is it important that these myths which have been perpetuated come to light as the events they really are?

[shadow]

Well, that's not true either. Yesterday's polls, which I guess have been taken down, suggested otherwise.

Maybe that's why it was taken down :))

JFK's comment is true. The traditions of our fathers is used scripturally in a negative connotation. The church culture is guilty of this as well as society in general.

[LittleLion]

His point was, it wasn't a free for all conflict where all the states were fighting each other. There were, namely two sides, not 12 sides or 14 sides or 20 sides. So he doesn't really like the term "War between the States" for that reason. Picky picky.

I understand, I did not want to quote the entirety your excerpt so I just grabbed something out of it. Its not being picky picky, this thread is about historical myths. His point was the war was directed by two central governments, which is a myth. It was controlled and directed by one family for one purpose. I understand what he is saying. The war should have been called " The war for self determination" if he is being truthful. A myth is a myth no matter if you think it is or not.

So who decides if a myth is a myth? Who is the one that pronounces an idea "unrealistic" or a cliche? A myth is an untruth no matter how it was started or is propagated, so who decides if it is untrue or not? We do.

[ajax]

Yeah, I get it. He was just describing why he preferred "War of Secession" over the other descriptors. The reasons for not preferring the others many not be perfect. I agree with his choice. "Civil War" is definitely a myth.