"Will a tithe plus 2 meals save from the fiery abyss?"

[Robert Sinclair]

For a rich man Jesus Christ has said no.

The Twelve and Seventy Shepherds have said yes.

Who you going to hearken unto and trust?

Good to hearken unto the voice of God given to his beloved son Jesus Christ to give to us, "all" of one's surplus beyond that needed for the support of their families is required to save from the fiery abyss and that great gulf of separation from the very Eternal Father in Heaven.

You wish to dwell in the celestial kingdom of God, you must prepare yourselves by doing what Jesus Christ has said. ♡ ♡

No where in the Scriptures written has Jesus Christ taught such doctrine of 2 meals minimum plus a tenth to enter into the celestial kingdom of God.

This is destructive doctrine being taught perfectly destroying all the blind sheep as has been written and foretold thousands of years ago by the prophets of old would be done, especially in the latter days of this world.

Awaken before it is everlastingly too late for you, and weep and howl and sound the alarm and blow the trumpet in Zion or the church meetings until the message gets heard.

Save all that you can from the fiery abyss spoken of by Enoch and grab hold of the great and wonderful Messiah of God and hearken dilligently unto his voice and words and follow him perfectly. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Again, the answer is no, it will not.

AWAKE. ♡ ♡

[Obrien]

Robert - how far will a vain tradition of man get me in the afterlife? Upper third of the terrestrial kingdom? That might be all I have in me...

[Robert Sinclair]

Have faith. ♡ ♡

It may take for some a few thousand years of burning and learning, but in the end after God has refined all that need a few more passes through the fires of refinement, he brings them all back home to him.

But I perceive if you are a bright light you will learn quickly as Enoch and Noah and Melchizedek and Abraham and Job and others, how not to burn, and say unto yourself enough, no more will I play the dumb ignorant spirit role but intelligence I will hold to.

I will do all the things Jesus Christ has said to do, I will be all the ways Jesus Christ has said to be like, and I will know all the things Jesus Christ has said to know. ♡ ♡

[Phoenixstar117]

D&C 64:23 "Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man. and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming."

This is the scripture of reference most people use to justify that their tithing will save them in the end.

This scripture does not speak of the fiery abyss, but of the 2nd coming of the Lord. To be taught that we can be saved from hell and damnation simply because we paid tithing is false.

[Robert Sinclair]

It is a sign of manifested intelligence to keep "all" of the commandments of God.

Those who refuse to keep some of his commandments must burn until they learn, all mean all. ♡ ♡

[mhewett]

Those who refuse to keep some of his commandments must burn until they learn, all mean all. ♡ ♡

that means we will all burn. No one keeps them all, what are you trying to say Robert?

[Robert Sinclair]

Yes few do. So it has been written.
So Jesus Christ has said. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

If you wish to be perfect, you must do as Peter and his fellow apostles did, in the Book of Acts, and what the Nephites and Lamanites of 4th Nephi chapter one in the first 24 verses did, until the 201st year had passed away. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

As it is soon to be as is written in Jacob 5:72 when the Lord of the vineyard will be obeyed in all things leading through to verse 74 where they become like unto one body and equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly as the Lord has commanded. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Leading Jacob to exclaim unto us in Jacob 6:12-

"O be wise; what can I say more?"

♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Become equal in your temporal things, as a people, and this not grudgingly, and watch what the Lord has said that he will do then, sanctifying and purifying with cloven tongues of fire as with Peter and his fellow apostles were and the Nephites and Lamanites of 4th Nephi chapter one.

This will bring you to perfection. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Understand why Jesus Christ has said to the rich young man,

"If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

♡ ♡

[mhewett]

Those who refuse to keep some of his commandments must burn until they learn, all mean all. ♡ ♡

What do you mean by refuse to keep some of His commandments, Robert? Are you talking about a willful rebellion where a person will not keep the commandments or refusal where a person tries to keep the commandments, is aware that they don't and at times falls but keeps on trying even though they continually fall short?

[Robert Sinclair]

If Jesus Christ says to you if someone steals away your goods, to ask for them not back again, and you willfully say "no way" "I will not do as you say", What do you think will happen when you never do as he has said for you to do, when you stand before the judgment seat of Christ?

Is it not written that Jesus Christ will say, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Therefore is it not written, whosoever heareth these saying of Jesus Christ and doeth them, he will liken unto a wise man that built his house upon a rock and not sand.

Good to hear and see and know all that Jesus Christ has said to do, and do it, and all the ways Jesus Christ has said to be like, and be like that, and good to know all the things Jesus Christ has said to know, and overcome the Beast of ignorance spoken of in the book of Revelation who is given power to overcome the Saints because of ignorance.

Come memorize all his words of life given, being baptized in his living water of life and bread of life without even a toe sticking out of his words of life you know not, or have not tasted of, having let your goods just go, and savor the flavor of keeping his words seeing the good that it will do. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

For those who would like to belong to the church of the living God, Jesus Christ has said, no one exempt from this law who belong to the church of the living God; In your temporal things you shall be equal and this not grudgingly; for houses and for lands and for food and for raiment, in whatsoever circumstances the Lord places you. And that all your surplus beyond that needed for the support of one's own self and their family is to be given into the Storehouse Treasury of the Lord for first and foremost before even one penny of residue is used for purchasing lands and to build buildings for worshipping God or the public benefit thereof, for putting stewardships of inheritances of covenants and deeds that cannot be broken into the hands of the poor Saints sufficient for the support of their families. ♡ ♡

Good to hear and see and know these things and build your house upon a rock and not sand. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Stop teaching wealthy individuals that for 2 meals minimum plus a tenth of their incomes each month will bring them into the celestial kingdom of God, when it is written and commanded of God "all" their surplus beyond that needed for the support of their families is required to be worthy of being quickened by Celestial Law.

Save all these from the fiery abyss spoken of by Enoch and others, including the very Eternal Father in Heaven that commanded, no one is exempt from this law who belong to the church of the living God; In your temporal things you shall be equal and this not grudgingly, for food and for raiment for houses and for lands, in whatsoever circumstances the Lord places you.

Teach correct principals and ordinances and doctrine that none be destroyed as has been written and foretold thousands of years ago.

Please. ♡ ♡

[mhewett]

So in answer to my question, just for clarity, you are saying willful rebellion is the refusal you meant and not someone who tries to keep the all the commandments but continually falls short (which is a type of refusal but not willful)?

[Robert Sinclair]

Yes, willful rebellion against the words of Jesus Christ.

Good not to willfully rebel against his words. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

But remember also that it is written in the book of Revelation 3:15-16 *

"I know thy works, that thou are neither cold nor hot:
I would that ye wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

Good to be valiant in the words and testimony of Jesus Christ and do perfectly what Jesus Christ has said to do. ♡ ♡

[mhewett]

Thanks Robert, I just wanted to clarify because it seemed you were saying unless we keep all of the commandments, we will burn. Many of us try to keep the commandments but on occasion, knowingly sin through omission or commission but as long as we bring our sins under the umbrella of the atonement by repenting regularly and changing our lives continually, even if it takes time to overcome, we are promised eternal life.

When I pay tithing, I pay it willingly and I give a generous fast offering. I am not wealthy but give at least 10% and what I feel is generous. From doing this, I have faith that the scripture will be fulfilled in the lives of my family and I. beyond that, I hope to be exalted but that is a seperate issue from tithing and being burned.

[Robert Sinclair]

Keep feasting upon all his words given until completely submerged without even a toe sticking out of his words you do not know.

Then labor to keep all his commandments which he has given us and he will know your heart's true desire.

Remember once quickened by a portion of celestial law you will receive of the same, even the fullness thereof as it is written.

Good to be quickened by "Celestial Law" and to know what that is. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Pier group pressure for the blind to follow the blind is more powerful than intelligence?

I would hope better, time will show with these called and appointed Twelve and Seventy Shepherds.

It must needs be that the Scriptures written are true and correct and fullfilled every whit.

Tithes to be used first and foremost for the poor before temples are built and lands purchased directive of the Lord and commanded, will be trampled upon and gone a whoring away from instead of being equal in their temporal things, awhile longer, and the words "only the residue shall be used after becoming equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly", will continue to be utterly refused and rejected until all is fullfilled by this House of Ephraim and invited guests.

Both the blind sheep and the blind Twelve and Seventy Shepherds are heading to the ditch called the fiery abyss spoken of by Enoch.

Hath not Jesus Christ said something along these lines for even the High Priests and rulers of his day?

They be blind leaders of the blind?

They didn't wake up in Jesus Christ's days upon the earth personally, I guess even with all these testimonies given, it is the same today, invited guests that would not come, to the marriage supper of the Lamb of God, by preparing for the poor the "Feast of Fat Things" required from these rich and learned wise and noble, of covenants and deeds that cannot be broken for stewardships of inheritances sufficient for the support of the families of the poor.

No faith whatsoever that there is more than enough and to spare, trusting in Jesus Christ, that he does not lie but speaks the truth.

So surreal to have eyes open, to be a witness to this happening right before our eyes, with only the hope by weeping and howling and sounding the alarm and blowing the trumpet in Zion or the church and nation that the old men and administers of the law might just awaken and give ear.

Nonetheless, that is the call of the Lord to so do, so I shall continue to make these posts in the hope they may be seen and consideration given of the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds, can this be in our day and time and even in the days of our fathers?

Awaken, for yes it can and is.

Sincerely,

your fellow brother who cares for you,

♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Remember if you are wealthy, all of your surplus beyond that needed for the support of your family is required for entrance into the celestial kingdom of God. ♡ ♡

[davedan]

Robert-

What do we do with retirement savings? Most people that have a little excess, save it for retirement with a goal to serve missions for the Church. I am not invested in the stock market although it has been doing very well since 2008. I am invested in real estate and help people out throught that. I use my savings to assist others instead of assisting the Gads.

However, I think if people are tithing, giving a generous offering, and saving with this goal in mind that they are still keeping their covenant of consecration.

Now the Bible doesn't talk about retirement but says man should labor by the sweat of his brow until death. But changing the type of work is okay and devoting certain periods of time to the work of the Lord is good too just as the Priests and Levites did in the OT.