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...Nullification and the doctrine of concurrent majority

From Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men by Jeffrey Rogers Hummel:
Calhoun's Exposition and Protest defended what has become known as the compact theory of the Constitution. This theory contends that the Constitution was a compact, or contract, among sovereign states. The states had established the central government as their agent to perform specific delegated powers, such as national defense. "The general Government," explained Calhoun in a later public address, "emanated from the people of the several States, forming distinct political communities, and acting in their separate and sovereign capacity, and not from all of the people forming one aggregate political community."

Not only was the central government strictly limited, but if any dispute arose over the extent of these powers, it was the creators of the compact, the states -- not their agent, the central government -- that should be the final arbiter. "The Constitution of the United States is in fact a compact, to which each State is a party," and "the several States or parties, have a right to judge of its infractions."

The compact theory had a long history running back to the Philadelphia Convention of 1787. To ease the Constitution's ratification among an American populace decidedly unfriendly to a consolidated government, the framers had been deliberately vague about the document's exact nature. The Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions of 1798, written by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, had enunciated the compact theory, as had representatives of the New England states at the Harford Convention during the War of 1812. But the Exposition and Protest added an additional twist: the doctrine of nullification. Calhoun argued that state conventions, the bodies that had ratified the Constitution, could also nullify within individual states any federal law they thought unconstitutional.

The only way the central government could override such state nullifications was through a new constitutional amendment approved by three-fourths of the states. Although this cumbersome doctrine may appear to take states' rights to a logical extreme, the South Carolina political theorist actually intended nullification as a moderate compromise. Rather than promoting disunion, he saw it as the best way to preserve the Union. According to the compact theory, each state still retained the sovereign right to secede. Nullification gave the southern states an alternative way of protecting themselves from majority tyranny while remaining within the Union. Calhoun believed that the only recognition of this "fundamental principle of our system, resting on facts historically as certain, as our Revolution itself, and deductions as simple and demonstrative, as that of any political or moral truth whatever" could ensure "the stability and safety of our political institutions."
From Anatomy of the State by Murray Rothbard:
...one major political theorist who recognized—and largely in advance—the glaring loophole in a constitutional limit on government of placing the ultimate interpreting power in the Supreme Court was John C. Calhoun. Calhoun was not content with the “miracle,” but instead proceeded to a profound analysis of the constitutional problem. In his Disquisition, Calhoun demonstrated the inherent tendency of the State to break through the limits of such a constitution...

One of the few political scientists who appreciated Calhoun’s analysis of the Constitution was Professor J. Allen Smith. Smith noted that the Constitution was designed with checks and balances to limit any one governmental power and yet had then developed a Supreme Court with the monopoly of ultimate interpreting power. If the Federal Government was created to check invasions of individual liberty by
the separate states, who was to check the Federal power? Smith maintained that implicit in the check-and-balance idea of the Constitution
was the concomitant view that no one branch of government may be conceded the ultimate power of interpretation: “It was assumed by the people that the new government could not be permitted to determine the limits of its own authority , since this would make it, and not the Constitution, supreme.”

The solution advanced by Calhoun (and seconded, in this century, by such writers as Smith) was, of course, the famous doctrine of the “concurrent majority.” If any substantial minority interest in the country, specifically a state government, believed that the Federal Government was exceeding its powers and encroaching on that minority, the minority would have the right to veto this exercise of power as unconstitutional. Applied to state governments, this theory implied the right of “nullification” of a Federal law or ruling within a state’s jurisdiction.

In theory, the ensuing constitutional system would assure that the Federal Government check any state invasion of individual rights, while the states would check excessive Federal power over the individual. And yet, while limitations would undoubtedly be more effective than at present, there are many difficulties and problems in the Calhoun solution. If, indeed, a subordinate interest should rightfully have a veto over matters concerning it, then why stop with the states? Why not place veto power in counties, cities, wards? Furthermore,
interests are not only sectional, they are also occupational, social, etc. What of bakers or taxi drivers or any other occupation? Should
they not be permitted a veto power over their own lives? This brings us to the important point that the nullification theory confines its checks to agencies of government itself. Let us not forget that federal and state governments, and their respective branches, are still states, are still guided by their own state interests rather than by the interests of the private citizens. What is to prevent the Calhoun system from working in reverse, with states tyrannizing over their citizens and only vetoing the federal government when it tries to intervene to stop that state tyranny? Or for states to acquiesce in federal tyranny? What is to prevent federal and state governments from
forming mutually profitable alliances for the joint exploitation of the citizenry? And even if the private occupational groupings were to be given some form of “functional” representation in government, what is to prevent them from using the State to gain subsidies and other special privileges for themselves or from imposing compulsory cartels on their own members?

In short, Calhoun does not push his pathbreaking theory on concurrence far enough: he does not push it down to the individual himself.
If the individual, after all, is the one whose rights are to be protected, then a consistent theory of concurrence would imply veto power
by every individual; that is, some form of “unanimity principle.” When Calhoun wrote that it should be “impossible to put or to keep it [the government] in action without the concurrent consent of all,” he was, perhaps unwittingly, implying just such a conclusion. But such
speculation begins to take us away from our subject, for down this path lie political systems which could hardly be called “States” at all. For one thing, just as the right of nullification for a state logically implies its right of secession, so a right of individual nullification would imply the right of any individual to “secede” from the State under which he lives.

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Too bad this isn't taught in school...

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light-one wrote:Too bad this isn't taught in school...
Most thing aren't. Especially those that promote limited central authority.

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Sorry guy but you are tilting at historical windmills . I will tell you as a Southern boy give it up . It was settled hat when Lee met Grant in 1865.

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boo wrote:Sorry guy but you are tilting at historical windmills . I will tell you as a Southern boy give it up . It was settled hat when Lee met Grant in 1865.

Worst advice I have ever read.

You do know that if we are not rightously involved in protecting our freedoms that the lord will sweep us off the land.

Your advice to just roll over. Good luck to you.
Ezra Taft benson said confrence of 65 and in his book an enimey hath done this. that "satan uses the same destructive line of thinking to neutralize the pristhood today as he did to decive the 1/3 of the hosts of heaven. That line of thinking is "satan say "(just do what you feel is right but just don't get involved in the battle). To be on the wrong side in heaven ment eternal damnation how then can you be on the wrong side now and expect to escape eternal consiquences."

The 1/3 of the host of heaven were decived to not choose a side by satan. That's why they were so pissed at being kicked out.
And now we have a majority of lds fence sitters. And correct me if I'm wrong but your one of them. And your asking or advising us to be as well. Is that correct boo?

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Compact theory vs "perpetual union"

Alexis De Tocqueville observed in Democracy in America:
The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the States; and, in uniting together, they have not forfeited their nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the States chose to withdraw its name from the contract, it would be difficult to disprove its right of doing so; and the Federal Government would have no means of maintaining its claims directly, either by force or by right.
Lincoln's First Inaugural:
I hold that in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution the Union of these States is perpetual. Perpetuity is implied, if not expressed, in the fundamental law of all national governments. It is safe to assert that no government proper ever had a provision in its organic law for its own termination.

Descending from these general principles, we find the proposition that in legal contemplation the Union is perpetual confirmed by the history of the Union itself. The Union is much older than the Constitution. It was formed, in fact, by the Articles of Association in 1774. It was matured and continued by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. It was further matured, and the faith of all the then thirteen States expressly plighted and engaged that it should be perpetual, by the Articles of Confederation in 1778. And finally, in 1787, one of the declared objects for ordaining and establishing the Constitution was "to form a more perfect Union."

I therefore consider that in view of the Constitution and the laws the Union is unbroken, and to the extent of my ability, I shall take care, as the Constitution itself expressly enjoins upon me, that the laws of the Union be faithfully executed in all the States. Doing this I deem to be only a simple duty on my part, and I shall perform it so far as practicable unless my rightful masters, the American people, shall withhold the requisite means or in some authoritative manner direct the contrary. I trust this will not be regarded as a menace, but only as the declared purpose of the Union that it will constitutionally defend and maintain itself.

In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence, and there shall be none unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.

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From One Nation, Indivisible by Robert Hawes:
“All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states. The states created the federal government.” – Ronald Reagan

“If, Sir, this be our political condition, it is time the people of the United States understood it.” – Daniel Webster

The central point of contention in American history and political discourse, where the subject of secession is concerned, has to do with competing theories as to the origin and composition of that entity we call the “Union”. Those who believe that secession is possible rest the justification of their position in what is usually referred to as the “Compact Theory”. Compact adherents – arguably the political heirs of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison – believe that the Constitution of the United States is a compact: an agreement or covenant, between the states that comprise the
Union, and that the United States of America is not a consolidated nation-state, but rather, more of a confederated republic. Accordingly, they see the states as sovereign, independent entities voluntarily united for certain purposes by a federal government that acts as the agent of their Union along strictly limited, constitutional lines.

Those on the opposite side of the ideological fence, whom I will call “nationalists” – the political heirs of Abraham Lincoln – believe that the United States of America is a true nation-state, operating under a supreme, consolidated central government. Not surprisingly, they reject the Compact Theory’s emphasis on the states, holding instead to the idea that the people of the United States as a whole created the Union, and that the states exist as little more than administrative subdivisions of the American nation, much like counties are subdivisions of states. Adherents to this consolidated nation-state school elevatethe federal government to absolute supremacy in all matters, and reduce the Constitution to a guidebook instead of a strict plan of government. Nationalists are more likely to refer to the United States as a democracy than a republic.

Thus we see that the core of the secession debate is grounded in one question: is the Union a consolidated nation-state, or a confederation of states?

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I guess that it is inevitable that those who hate Lincoln would take John Calhoun as their source. He who also said
We of the South will not, cannot, surrender our institutions. To maintain the existing relations between the two races, inhabiting that section of the Union, is indispensable to the peace and happiness of both. It cannot be subverted without drenching the country in blood, and extirpating one or the other of the races. Be it good or bad, [slavery] has grown up with our society and institutions, and is so interwoven with them that to destroy it would be to destroy us as a people. But let me not be understood as admitting, even by implication, that the existing relations between the two races in the slaveholding States is an evil:–far otherwise; I hold it to be a good, as it has thus far proved itself to be to both, and will continue to prove so if not disturbed by the fell spirit of abolition. I appeal to facts. Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually.
Whatever your belief, that the Union once created cannot be dissolved, or that States as sovereign, can quite whenever they wish, or as some counties in California are pursuing that counties can secede form states or as some wild anarchists stipulate, individuals can secede,

I think we should not forget what it was that was the aggravation so great that they felt that they must secede...Slavery...

And John Calhoun was definitely an enthusiastic evangelist for the goodness of this institution... Should we not be suspect of all of his analysis?


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Oh George George George, this is not about Calhoun's ideas on slavery, which were wrong, but his compact theory of the Constitution. It is in the Jeffersonian tradition. And many adhered to that position post 1787, even northern states who threatened secession in the early 1800s. Just because Calhoun was wrong on slavery, doesn't mean he was wrong on everything. Many people who were anti-slavery were supporters of the compact theory, including arch abolitionists Lysander Spooner and William Lloyd Garrison.

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Ajax,

I admit that there are very smart people who have argued both sides of this legal issue. Like many things in this life, there is no conclusive QED that will make those on either side say "aha, I was wrong!" For that reason, this arguement will go on ad infinitum.

Lucky for you, on this board, you will mostly find people who agree with you and will clap you on the back and tell you what wisdom you write.

I have watched variations of this discussion here over and over. This ultimately leads to epithets of hatred towards president Lincoln as if he were Satan incarnate, rather than an honorable man fighting to preserve the Union he loved. In these discussions about what honorable men the southern leaders were, and what an evil man Lincoln was, those who emotionally pursue this, eventually convince themselves that "Slavery had nothing to do with it", when in fact it had EVERYTHING to do with it.

Also, it should be noted that when John C Calhoun made his arguments, he DID have an agenda... which was pure evil!

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gclayjr wrote: Lucky for you, on this board, you will mostly find people who agree with you and will clap you on the back and tell you what wisdom you write.
I'm not looking for that at all. In fact, I'd prefer people disagree with me and challenge me. It helps me to find whether my case is strong or weak. So oftentimes I will take an issue and argue it through, with the hopes of pulling different views that I haven't considered.

I don't think Lincoln was Satan, but I do think he was wrong, and I am more convinced than not with the compact theorists going all the way back to some of our most revered founders and early freedom patriots.

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Ajax,

I wish you luck in your intellectual pursuit. If you look at how long I have been a member of this board, and how many times I have posted, you will see that I am not one to flood the board with posts on every topic. I only post when I think I can "bring something useful" to the discussion. I personally don't see any benefit in arguing Jots and tittles over states rights and secession. My reasons for posting on this and similar topics was modest and 2 fold.

1) I wanted to remind those who get too much into states rights just what it was that the states were asserting their rights to do

2) In doing so, to show reason why slamming Lincoln as pure evil is a shallow and thoughtless accusation.

As I have posted before, None of us is perfect. I don't have a problem with someone saying that they think that Lincoln was wrong, but that is quite different than accusing him of corruption or evil.

This may not describe you, and I admire you for not going down that road. Maybe I may not even be able to accomplish the above 2 objectives, but there is at least a chance.

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gclayjr wrote: 1) I wanted to remind those who get too much into states rights just what it was that the states were asserting their rights to do
That's fine, but not necessarily the case today, whether it be Vermont, TX, Quebec, Scotland or Ukraine.

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The problem is secret corruption in the federal government, which has been growing for 60 years and is worse than ever. Adopting Calhoun's way would simply shift the corruption and give 50 separate entities the ability to be just as corrupt. Politicians engage in secret combinations and secret works of darkness more than most people know. Giving each and every state more power would be a mistake.

When Ezra Taft Benson was the God's prophet on the earth, he spoke at General Conference in October 1988 and stated, "Secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world."

The "secret combination" was increasing its evil influence and control in 1988, and I guarantee you that 27 years later in 2015, it is much worse.

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The Jeffersonian view was they saw in the states a check on federal centralized encroachment. Sure despotism could reign on a local level, but at least Massachusetts despotism would not equal Wyomings. Whereas US despotism equals everyone's. A loosely confederated union with free movement would allow much experimentation in governance without affecting the whole. What used to be sovereign states have now become federal serfs. I don't see bigger as better at all. The more removed and bigger the government is from the people, tends to more corruption imo. The more local, the better.

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