Three parent babies...

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allow children to be conceived with genetic material from a trio of individuals?
Two of the three can be homosexual men.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/559628 ... talian-MPs

[Ezra]

Has humans forgotten how fun it is to do it the natural way??

[FSM]

I have; its been a while.

[FSM]

Has humans forgotten how fun it is to do it the natural way??

oops. Look up for my post.

[Thinker]

What a sick society when even law makers put sexual substitutes (homosexual practices) above the well being of children.

Adults Raised by Gay Couples Speak Out Against Gay ‘Marriage’ in Federal Court
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[Fiannan]

As in the days of Noah?

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allow children to be conceived with genetic material from a trio of individuals?
Two of the three can be homosexual men.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/559628 ... talian-MPs

I don't care who the three parents are, it sounds like the foundation for a genetic nightmare:

In a strongly worded letter to The Times, the Italian Mps wrote that the legalisation of such a technique "could have uncontrollable and unforeseeable consequences, affecting future generations and modifying genetic heritage in an irreversible way, inevitably affecting the human species as a whole".

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Sci-fi, anyone? Will the babies be born without a hitch, or will it be discovered that parts of their bodies aren't working right? The science-centered part of me is fascinated by this and I would love to see what happens.

Earlier this month, MPs voted 382 to 128 in favour of an amendment to the 2008 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act, which will allow the creation of IVF babies with DNA from three different people.

Mitochondrial donation techniques aimed at preventing serious inherited diseases will now be legalised, subject to any amendments made in the House of Lords.

As well as receiving normal 'nuclear' DNA from its mother and father, a child would also have a minuscule amount of healthy mitochondrial DNA (mDNA) from a woman donor to be used to repair faults.

The first babies concerning this technique could be born next year.

The move has divided opinion, with those in favour saying it could help thousands of women to conceive but those against saying it could lead to a concerning trend of "designer" babies

[EdGoble]

allow children to be conceived with genetic material from a trio of individuals?
Two of the three can be homosexual men.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/559628 ... talian-MPs

The farce here is that they could simply evacuate all the mitochondria from the mother from the egg, and fill it in from mitochondria from a cell from the father, rather than having "donated" mitochondria. That way, you still have only two parents.

This is why this whole thing about three parents is so stupid. All the DNA can still come from two parents because the father's mitochondria are seldom diseased as well. Its such a stupid thing to introduce three parents in the first place. But we can't have simple logic intrude into progressive causes when people insist that it is so cool to have three parents to push the envelope.

[EdGoble]

I understand the plight of the people wanting to do this...but i think it just opens up to many wormholes.....just adopt.

using the mitochondria in the father would just be fundamentally similar to IVF. All the DNA would still be from the same two parents. The Church approves of IVF because the DNA is all from the same parents. So yes, adoption is good, but IVF is good for people that have the resources to do it.

[EdGoble]

I understand the plight of the people wanting to do this...but i think it just opens up to many wormholes.....just adopt.

using the mitochondria in the father would just be fundamentally similar to IVF. All the DNA would still be from the same two parents. The Church approves of IVF because the DNA is all from the same parents. So yes, adoption is good, but IVF is good for people that have the resources to do it.

I totally understand what it is i watched a news story on it the other day....and i understand that technically it's not immoral...but one could also argue if it's messing with God's will.

It's difficult to argue that it is not God's will to use an available technology that is in line with principles the Church teaches, when God himself provides the knowledge and resources for the technology to be available, just like he provided the technology light bulb. Who would argue that Thomas Edison was uninspired? 1 Nephi 3:7.

[Fiannan]

I understand the plight of the people wanting to do this...but i think it just opens up to many wormholes.....just adopt.

using the mitochondria in the father would just be fundamentally similar to IVF. All the DNA would still be from the same two parents. The Church approves of IVF because the DNA is all from the same parents. So yes, adoption is good, but IVF is good for people that have the resources to do it.

And the Church will not make a big deal if you use IVF in regards to surrogacy or a male sperm donor or female egg donor. The only time the Church makes a big deal is if a single woman gets artificial insemination because it gives a bad image of the Church.

As for genetic modification it is soon going to be considered irresponsible to have sex to make babies the old-fashioned way as pointed out here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVsnkRoYfX0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the future children will be born with enhanced physical and mental capabilities. There are a variety of technologies we already have for this. People will also be able to choose characteristics such as hair and eye color and, if inserted early in embryonic development, it will be a permanent change in that genetic line.

Of course this technology will intersect with robotic enhancements as well. Within your lifetime you will see technology that will allow you to read your spouse's thoughts, calculate at incredible rates or have an affair with someone in a virtual scenario without ever meeting them face-to-face but experiencing any fantasy your heart desires. Think the world depicted on "Caprica" was just something dreamed up by the writers? Think of being able to live and die in a Hunger Games world, but in the comfort of your living room...with no real injuries. That is your future. Remember how the scriptures said that the people of Noah's civilization were consumed with wickedness and violence? Didn't Jesus say something about when he would return?

[EdGoble]

I understand the plight of the people wanting to do this...but i think it just opens up to many wormholes.....just adopt.

using the mitochondria in the father would just be fundamentally similar to IVF. All the DNA would still be from the same two parents. The Church approves of IVF because the DNA is all from the same parents. So yes, adoption is good, but IVF is good for people that have the resources to do it.

And the Church will not make a big deal if you use IVF in regards to surrogacy or a male sperm donor or female egg donor. The only time the Church makes a big deal is if a single woman gets artificial insemination because it gives a bad image of the Church.

As for genetic modification it is soon going to be considered irresponsible to have sex to make babies the old-fashioned way as pointed out here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVsnkRoYfX0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the future children will be born with enhanced physical and mental capabilities. There are a variety of technologies we already have for this. People will also be able to choose characteristics such as hair and eye color and, if inserted early in embryonic development, it will be a permanent change in that genetic line.

Of course this technology will intersect with robotic enhancements as well. Within your lifetime you will see technology that will allow you to read your spouse's thoughts, calculate at incredible rates or have an affair with someone in a virtual scenario without ever meeting them face-to-face but experiencing any fantasy your heart desires. Think the world depicted on "Caprica" was just something dreamed up by the writers? Think of being able to live and die in a Hunger Games world, but in the comfort of your living room...with no real injuries. That is your future. Remember how the scriptures said that the people of Noah's civilization were consumed with wickedness and violence? Didn't Jesus say something about when he would return?

I generally agree with what you are saying about the possibilities with regard to transhumanist techno, although I think some of what you are saying is over the top or maybe you are even saying some of it in jest. I believe, however, that all of that will be a case by case thing to see if any of it harmonizes with gospel principles. However, about surrogacy or donation, what you are saying is not in line with statements that have come from the Church and with the Church Handbook of instructions. People that do that could be subject to Church discipline according to those statements, if it is found out that they did it.

[Fiannan]

However, about surrogacy or donation, what you are saying is not in line with statements that have come from the Church and with the Church Handbook of instructions. People that do that could be subject to Church discipline according to those statements, if it is found out that they did it.

Mitt Romney’s oldest son, Tagg, on Friday announced the birth of twin sons with the help of a surrogate. The newest members of the Romney clan, David Mitt and William Ryder, make Mitt Romney and his wife, Ann, grandparents of 18.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012 ... surrogate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As for individual Mormons donating eggs or sperm there is no punishment, nor for a married couple in which one is sterile getting a donation from a third party. If the couple is sealed the child then is sealed to them upon birth.

[Fiannan]

Daniel Estulin predicts that the current crop of children being born are the last in which science won't have a part in creating. Look up his work, "Transhumanism: The Coming Age of Human Deconstruction."

Remember, "Brave New World" was an introduction, not a warning.