Think the government would not experiment on humans?

[Fiannan]

Two articles you might share with people who think that the government would not do the kind of nasty things that are depicted on X-Files:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39456324/ns/h ... OhPVy4YFQU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/sep/23/paulbrown" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any thoughts?

[mhewett]

My son who is a US national was interested in joining the US army. I checked things out and came across an article that outlined what the US govt can do to it's soldiers. Experimenting was one of the things that they can do apparently so to me, there is no doubt that the US govt would. experiment on people. they may do it through vaccines too. I know someone who at 12 was given the hep b vaccine. It actually gave them hep b.

[bethany]

There was a show like 60 Minutes that ran a story about an experiment where people were given something like depleted plutonium in vaccines in the southeast. I missed the show, so I asked a physicist (a neighbors son) who worked with the woman to verify the story. Of course the all important woman who was in charge of it & being interviewed assured everyone it was very important to know the affects of this in humans & were it necessary she herself would have participated. However convenient she made that choice for others who had no knowledge. The story ran in the early 90s.

[Desert Roses]

The gov't totally has no compunctions about human experimentation. There are hundreds of examples in known history--we haven't a clue about documents still under wraps.

I recently read an account of the Nuremburg trials called The Doctors from Hell. The excuses these doctors used to justify their horrific work sound strangely like what the physicist described said. It was "necessary" to know the limits of human endurance in cold, for instance, (for German soldiers of course), so Russian POWs and "Gypsies" and Jews were forced into tubs of icewater for hours. Today, like then, our gov't justifies its actions with excuses. What was interesting to me was that Nazi Germany outlawed animal experiments as "cruel" at the same time. PETA, anyone?

[WhereCanITurn4Peace]

Utterly disgusting. True abominations.

Reading through this and several others articles shows that children, prisoners, the poor, the mentally ill, the developmentally disabled, minorities, and even our own military were the most vulnerable. Extremely disturbing to learn of these inhumane experiments and projects, especially the ones that involve children. Stomach-churning and nightmare-inducing.

Just a few of the numerous excerpts:

"The Tuskegee syphilis experiment was a clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama, by the U.S. Public Health Service. In the experiment, 400 impoverished black males who had syphilis were offered "treatment" by the researchers, who did not tell the test subjects that they had syphilis and did not give them treatment for the disease, but rather just studied them to chart the progress of the disease. By 1947, penicillin became available as treatment, but those running the study prevented study participants from receiving treatment elsewhere, lying to them about their true condition, so that they could observe the effects of syphilis on the human body. By the end of the study in 1972, only 74 of the test subjects were alive. 28 of the original 399 men had died of syphilis, 100 were dead of related complications, 40 of their wives had been infected, and 19 of their children were born with congenital syphilis. The study was not shut down until 1972, when its existence was leaked to the press, forcing the researchers to stop in the face of a public outcry."

"In a 1946 to 1948 study in Guatemala, U.S. researchers used prostitutes to infect prison inmates, insane asylum patients, and Guatemalan soldiers with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, in order to test the effectiveness of penicillin in treating the STDs. They later tried infecting people with "direct inoculations made from syphilis bacteria poured into the men's penises and on forearms and faces that were slightly abraded . . . or in a few cases through spinal punctures". Approximately 700 people were infected as part of the study (including orphan children). The study was sponsored by the Public Health Service, the National Institutes of Health and the Pan American Health Sanitary Bureau (now the World Health Organization's Pan American Health Organization) and the Guatemalan government. The team was led by John Charles Cutler, who later participated in the Tuskegee syphilis experiments. Cutler chose to do the study in Guatemala because he would not have been permitted to do it in the United States. In 2010 when the research was revealed, the US officially apologized to Guatemala for the studies"

"From the 1950s to 1972, mentally disabled children at the Willowbrook State School in Staten Island, New York were intentionally infected with viral hepatitis, for research whose purpose was to help discover a vaccine. From 1963 to 1966, Saul Krugman of New York University promised the parents of mentally disabled children that their children would be enrolled into Willowbrook in exchange for signing a consent form for procedures that he claimed were 'vaccinations.' In reality, the procedures involved deliberately infecting children with viral hepatitis by feeding them an extract made from the feces of patients infected with the disease"

"From 1963 to 1969 as part of Project Shipboard Hazard and Defense (SHAD), the U.S. Army performed tests which involved spraying several U.S. ships with various biological and chemical warfare agents, while thousands of U.S. military personnel were aboard the ships. The personnel were not notified of the tests, and were not given any protective clothing. Chemicals tested on the U.S. military personnel included the nerve gases VX and Sarin, toxic chemicals such as zinc cadmium sulfide and sulfur dioxide, and a variety of biological agents."

"In studies running from 1947 to 1953, which were known as Project Chatter, the U.S. Navy began identifying and testing truth serums, which they hoped could be used during interrogations of Soviet spies. Some of the chemicals tested on human subjects included mescaline and the anticholinergic drug scopolamine.

Shortly thereafter, in 1950, the CIA initiated Project Bluebird, later renamed Project Artichoke, whose stated purpose was to develop 'the means to control individuals through special interrogation techniques', 'way to prevent the extraction of information from CIA agents', and 'offensive uses of unconventional techniques, such as hypnosis and drugs'. The purpose of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, 'Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?' The project studied the use of hypnosis, forced morphine addiction and subsequent forced withdrawal, and the use of other chemicals, among other methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects. In order to 'perfect techniques for the abstraction of information from individuals, whether willing or not', Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP, mescaline, and ether. Project Bluebird researchers dosed over 7,000 U.S. military personnel with LSD, without their knowledge or consent, at the Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland. Years after these experiments, more than 1,000 of these soldiers suffered from several psychiatric illnesses, including depression and epilepsy. Many of them tried to commit suicide."

[jwharton]

My grandparents were victims of one of the programs that came out of Nazi Germany after the war.
Much of the Nazi scientists research was simply inculcated into our own military programs.

My grandfather was a person who was a sensitive sort of guy, which was due to a certain amount of clairvoyance. He wasn't an especially good fit for the military, but under operation Paperclip and the MK-Ultra program he fit the criteria for experimentation. He did not volunteer for it. He was convinced he needed to see a psychologist and then they told him about some new treatments they thought would benefit him. He didn't really want to do it but apparently the bishop got involved to pressure him and his wife to get him to do it. He eventually gave in and received the treatments which resulted in horrific torture as was described in his journals. Unfortunately, someone broke into our home and stole all of the materials my mother still had that could have been used as evidence for a lawsuit against the government for damages. That happened at just about the time when the associated information about operation Paperclip and other things became declassified. It kind of creeps me out that such careful damage control is carried out.

They liked people like my grandpa because they were so much more sensitive. Apparently it made their tactics more potent with them. In short, what was done to him was horrific torture sufficient to induce a fractured psyche. They split your soul, so to speak, through some sort of torture in order to make a little split personality that then they can program. One of the forms of torture they used was electrocution. They set up what they call "alters" so that they can then flip people in and out of the split identities they induce and then program. So, depending upon how the treatment is done, a person can be consciously unaware that they are in fact carrying a whole different identity that they can be flipped into where a wholly unique and partitioned personality manifests and does what they are programmed to do. My grandfather and grandmother were irreparably damaged by this cruel and inhumane experimentation on our military servicemen.

Also, I encourage those interested in tracing this kind of nefarious activity to closely examine Mitt Romney's father George, who apparently was a really big supporter of and had a keen interest in the MK-Ultra program. This could explain why there was pressure through a bishop for my grandfather to relent and go ahead and receive the treatments. Also, it wasn't long after things went haywire with my grandfather that the psychologist who performed these "treatments" allegedly committed suicide.

So, I know from personal experience in my own family, that there are indeed nefarious and inhumane things being done to innocent people and that it is part of a very well organized and powerful group of people who consider themselves a cut above all of us mere cattle.

[Fiannan]

Look up Unit 731. It was the Japanese human experimentation center located in northern China. A movie was made about it, "Philosophy of a Knife" that makes any Saw movie look like...well, the experiments conducted there were beyond the imagination of most people. Tens of thousands of prisoners of war, Chinese and Russian civilians entered, and none came out.

After the war the US government offered amnesty to the scientists and doctors who worked there on the condition they would give the US their journals.