Question about sealings.

[Lizzy60]

My knowledge comes from being a temple worker for a dozen years. He cannot be sealed to more than one living woman. There are no exceptions. If he has children with his first wife, and has the sealing cancelled with her, the children will still be sealed to them, although they are no longer sealed to each other, and he can be sealed to another woman.

I saw this circumstance in the temple, when a man had his first sealing cancelled, and was in the temple to be sealed to his second wife, and thought that he could also have his children from his first marriage sealed to him and the second wife. It was not possible. They tried to explain that the sealing was a sort of "stand-alone" thing where the children were under the covenant of sealing, and that it didn't really matter who they were sealed to. Yeah, it caused some hard feelings, as the kids were in the waiting room, dressed in white, and had to be told that they were not going to be doing anything that day.

Anyway, you didn't mention if there were kids involved.......

[Lizzy60]

Also, you said that his bishop said that if he is sealed to the second wife, it nulls the first sealing. He will not be allowed to be sealed to the second wife without submitting a request to church headquarters to have the first sealing cancelled. He must have that paperwork from the First Presidency in order to make an appointment to be sealed to wife #2.

I re-read your post and figured out that are probably not children from the first marriage, as they were only married a year.

[Obrien]

Lizzy - thanks for the info. This issue affects me, too. My mom and Dad were divorced, and later Dad consented to a cancellation of sealing so Mom could be sealed to another guy. I was a witness at Mom's second sealing, along with my older bro. After the ceremony, my mom's husband hugged me and called me "son". Not to be a jerk, but I've never felt like he was "Dad" - I already have one, thanks.

I've never got a straight answer from 2 bishops and SP's about if I am sealed to this guy now. Finally, Lizzy comes to the rescue!

And, for what it is worth, the only "error" I see in your pm is that the wheat and tares appeared different before maturation, or else the servants wouldn't have offered to thin the weeds. It was very thought provoking. Thanks x2.

[Lizzy60]

It was explained to me that once a child is sealed, or is born in the covenant, meaning that they are born sealed into the covenant, they always have that sealing in force. Nothing undoes it. I have no idea how this will work out in the eternities if the children are righteous, and the parents are not.

Personally, in my study, pondering, and prayer, I have come to believe that being the Family of God is the only important thing. If our earthly sealings are an important step in that process, then that's okay by me. All things are possible with God, so I don't believe that there is only one path to becoming a member of His eternal Family.

[Obrien]

It was explained to me that once a child is sealed, or is born in the covenant, meaning that they are born sealed into the covenant, they always have that sealing in force. Nothing undoes it. I have no idea how this will work out in the eternities if the children are righteous, and the parents are not.

Personally, in my study, pondering, and prayer, I have come to believe that being the Family of God is the only important thing. If our earthly sealings are an important step in that process, then that's okay by me. All things are possible with God, so I don't believe that there is only one path to becoming a member of His eternal Family.

Apostate...just kidding. :ymhug:

[ajax]

It's all a moot point, just religious wrangling.

Nothing is legit unless sealed by the HSoP. And no man or institution controls that.

[Lizzy60]

Hey, Obrien,

You can't hurt my feelings by calling me an apostate just because I don't try to tell God what He can do.

Also, my dad called me an apostate because I listen to right-wing talk radio. He says that our leaders counsel us to be in the "middle" politically. Not too right, not too left. I guess I missed that conference talk. Btw, my dad has never missed a day of church, and has held many leadership callings, so I guess he knows everything......

Most people have to do a lot more than listen to Glenn Beck or Mark Levin to be branded an apostate!!!

[Lizzy60]

What are you agreeing with, Pinky?

[Obrien]

It's all a moot point, just religious wrangling.

Nothing is legit unless sealed by the HSoP. And no man or institution controls that.

So sealings are not needed at all, and we need only strive for sealing by the HSoP ??? .
I wrote that as a question, but upon further review it seemed better as a statement.

[creator]

It's all a moot point, just religious wrangling.

Nothing is legit unless sealed by the HSoP. And no man or institution controls that.

Yep. They Holy Spirit of Promise is required to seal it (something separate from the initial sealing ordinance that took place) or none of it matters anyways.

[Thinker]

It's all a moot point, just religious wrangling.

Nothing is legit unless sealed by the HSoP. And no man or institution controls that.

Yep. They Holy Spirit of Promise is required to seal it (something separate from the initial sealing ordinance that took place) or none of it matters anyways.

True!
Temple ordinances, especially sealings are so beautiful symbolically, but they are like a blueprint of intentions, not the actual spiritual/emotional/physical intimate connection.

Maybe it's true that spiritually, it is what it is. You either spiritually connect or resonate with someone or you don't. On earth, you have the option to fake it till you make it.

[Separatist]

It's all a moot point, just religious wrangling.

Nothing is legit unless sealed by the HSoP. And no man or institution controls that.

Thank you for that Ajax. We might never have known! Had it not been for you.

It actually kinda makes what people fret and wrangle about in the OP insignificant.

[Lizzy60]

Yes. They were sealed, and had marital relations, with more than one woman. It was a requirement if they were to be called as a Bishop or other "high" calling, and it was taught that it was a requirement to live polygamy on earth in order to be eligible for the Celestial Kingdom.

Things turned totally upside down on that one......

A great-grandmother of mine, who I knew until she died at the age of 98 (I was in my early 20's at the time) was the 64th child of her father. Wife #10 was her mother. Great-grandma extolled the righteousness of polygamy to her dying day.

[Lizzy60]

Wow....i bet if you took everyone in Utah with pioneer ancestry....everyone would be related in some way....i have a lot on both my parents side and so does my husband. I bet me and you are related Even.

If you go back to Christopher Layton, we are. Also, the Hatch's in Arizona.

My husband and I were having lunch one day with one of his mission companions that we had reconnected with here in TX. His wife started talking about attending a funeral of her great aunt. The more she talked, the more familiar it sounded. I finally asked her if she remembered a woman singing the song, "I Remember Mama." She did. I told her that the singer was my mom, and her great-grand-aunt was my great-grandmother.

edited for correct terminology -- thank you Natasha!

[Separatist]

I should start an ancestry thread....where people post their pioneer ancestors if they have any....could be interesting...

Or disturbing.

[natasha]

Your grandmother's sister (your Mom's Aunt) is your GRAND Aunt....not Great Aunt. I mean, she may be just "great" but in correct relationship terms she is your GRAND Aunt.

[Lizzy60]

Your grandmother's sister (your Mom's Aunt) is your GRAND Aunt....not Great Aunt. I mean, she may be just "great" but in correct relationship terms she is your GRAND Aunt.

Sooooooo, my great-grand-mother was the same person as her great-grand-aunt, I guess. Hyphens added for clarity, not because they are grammatically correct

[Tetraman]

I have been divorced and re-married. Both marriages were temple marriages. The first sealing was not cancelled before I was sealed to my current wife. The councel given was to not have the sealing cancelled until my first wife was ready to be sealed again because there were children involved. She remarried, but not in the temple, so the sealing was never officially cancelled. My understanding is that the act of getting a divorce violates the covenant so the sealing is no longer in effect anyway, and as has been already stated here, nothing is truly valid in the eternities until sealed by the holy spirit of promise.

[Lizzy60]

I could be getting things mixed up between what women have to do to get sealed again, with what men have to do. Best advice ever ---- talk to the Temple Recorder of any temple. They know everything.

[heidibear]

How does one know if they are or aren't sealed by the holy spirit of promise?

[Separatist]

How does one know if they are or aren't sealed by the holy spirit of promise?

God will advise you.

[FSM]

It may involve a sealing after one passes away. I wish there was a better way. Don't know for sure.

[FSM]

How does one know if they are or aren't sealed by the holy spirit of promise?

What is bound on earth is bound in heaven.

[shadow]

It's all a moot point, just religious wrangling.

Nothing is legit unless sealed by the HSoP. And no man or institution controls that.

Yep. They Holy Spirit of Promise is required to seal it (something separate from the initial sealing ordinance that took place) or none of it matters anyways.

In order to have the ordinance sealed, one must have the ordinance.

[natasha]

In actuality, aren't we being "sealed" to the Abrahamic Covenant.....which grants to us the possibility of receiving all the promises and blessings given to Abraham?