Dearest Robert

[Robert Sinclair]

No one is forcing the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds to give covenants and deeds that cannot be broken into the hands of the poor Saints sufficient for the support of their families.

They must decide of their own freewill and hearts to just give of the $40,000,000,000.00 and growing assets consecrated thus far, as God has commanded. ♡ ♡

This to lead by example of following the words of Jesus Christ. ♡ ♡

[A Random Phrase]

I'm not talking about just feeding the poor and giving them clothing, I am talking about giving them all homes as well as for food and for raiment as the gospel requires, first and foremost before even one penny is spent on the purchasing of lands or the building of buildings for worshipping God period.

Robert, are you aware of a program for the chronically homeless that is in many states, including Utah? The old way of dealing with the chronically homeless was to offer them a place to live if they straightened out their lives. The new way is to give them a place to live, even if their lives are never straightened out. The cities found that it costs them a lot less to do this than to pay for the homeless in other ways (emergency room visits, police, etc.). The LDS church has been one of the sponsors of this, though it was my brother and a co-worker of his who started the program in SLC (it was created back east, originally).

This is the article my sister sent me recently about it. I knew that they had opened up a new apartment building a while ago. I remember my brother talking about how fast the members of the church put all of the furniture up in the apartments. He was impressed and one of his daughters was totally blown away. What I didn't realize at the time was exactly what type of homeless program it was.

Here is another article about it that I have not read.

What the gov't and corporations get out of the program is that, like I said above, it costs less to house them without strings attached than it does to do damage control when bad things happen to them.

[Robert Sinclair]

I am aware of many programs that help the poor.

The gospel of Jesus Christ administered properly, holds members that would be baptized to certain standards as is written in D&C 20:37-69.

Read through those standards and see if you do not agree 100% with Jesus Christ that these members if poor and needy should be given stewardships of inheritances of covenants and deeds that cannot be broken into their hands sufficient for the support of their families from the consecrated Tithes and Offerings without any grudgingly behavior.

Especially trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ that there is more than enough and to spare to get this done.

This is a test of faith.

A small example is that shown by dear Brother Steven Jones who notwithstanding did not have all the funds to close the deal, manifested faith that he would be able to.

And not only on one home did he do this but on two homes, for families in need.

I believe with all my heart, that if the First Presidency and The Council of the Disposition of Tithes, decided to return to keep the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ and give stewardships of inheritances of covenants and deeds that cannot be broken into the hands of the poor Saints sufficient for the support of their families, they would find once they started to so do, the funds and properties and assets would begin to be found and pour in as the Lord has said of the windows of heaven opening up and pouring out such great blessings that there will not even be room enough to receive it all, more than enough and to spare as Jesus Christ has said. ♡ ♡

And you and I and all the members would begin to witness the redemption of Zion upon this earth as is the will of God. ♡ ♡

[WarMonger]

Robert you need to read Number 16 (entire chapter) very carefully and not provoke the Lord and request inheritance - now is not the time to give inheritance. It is a dangers game to fight against God and his servants. Korah, Dathan, Abiram, and 250 leaders rebel against Moses and claim he did not give them an inheritance, they were all destroyed.

12 ¶And Moses sent to call Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab: which said, We will not come up:
13 Is it a small thing that thou hast brought us up out of a land that floweth with milk and honey, to kill us in the wilderness, except thou make thyself altogether a prince over us?
14 Moreover thou hast not brought us into a land that floweth with milk and honey, or given us inheritance of fields and vineyards: wilt thou put out the eyes of these men? we will not come up.
....
32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.
33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

[Robert Sinclair]

They were not but to administer the law of God as their inheritance, and this was of God.

This inheritance of the priesthood of Aaron or the Levite tribe remains to this day.

See D&C section 13 it is only one verse.

This law of God unto them was not to be questioned.

This is not the same law to those of the House of Ephraim given in D&C section 42 of what is called the "law" unto them or "embracing the law of the church".

Stewardships of inheritances of covenants and deeds that cannot be broken are to be placed into the hands of the poor Saints of this House of Ephraim or Church that cannot be broken, sufficient for the support of their families, from the consecrated Tithes and Offerings without any grudgingly behavior, before one penny of "residue" is spent on the purchasing of lands or the building of buildings for worshipping God or the public benefit thereof the Saints.

Two different situations of law given for a specific purpose.

But obedience to the law given is the same.

If you obey not the law given, the firery abyss has been promised as well.

Good to obey the law given of God faithfully without grudgingly behavior or refusal to so do.

To this day if someone can prove they are a literal decendants of Aaron and they are a firstborn son they have a legal right given of God to the bishopric. (See D&C 68:16-21) ♡ ♡

[jsbaugh]

What Robert doesn't understand and never will is the logistical nightmare it would be to giving homes and supporting poor members of the church. Never mind the fact many poor members are poor because of being lazy. If the church is going to give homes away then I also want one. I pay my tithes and temple worthy. Why shouldn't I qualify for a free home? Robert, you can spout scripture all you want but there is a reason we don't live the law of consecration right now. We are not prepared for it. All things will come to pass, but you preaching about it daily isn't going to speed it up.

[Robert Sinclair]

That's what is called faith.

If the Lord Jesus Christ says to do it you do it period.

The way will open up that the logistics will unfold as the Lord opens up the way.

There will be more than enough to get this done as Jesus Christ has promised, he does not lie.

Do this and live in the celestial kingdom of God. ♡ ♡

[jsbaugh]

That's what is called faith.

If the Lord Jesus Christ says to do it you do it period.

The way will open up that the logistics will unfold as the Lord opens up the way.

There will be more than enough to get this done as Jesus Christ has promised, he does not lie.

Do this and live in the celestial kingdom of God. ♡ ♡

Christ has not said to live the law of consecration. That's why we are living the law of tithing. Like I said when do i get my free home and welfare check? Because I deserve it more than many poor people whom are lazy and already sponging off the church for living expenses.

[Robert Sinclair]

Jesus Christ has said to live the law, read section 105 carefully and see he does ask that everyone go and get experience imparting as the gospel requires and to learn more perfectly their duty to God.

Jesus Christ never took this standing law of the fullness of his gospel away, only chastening saying Zion could be redeemed even now.

Truth is a good thing. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

It was given to the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds to destroy all the blind sheep for a time saying Zion would have to wait for a little season, but the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds destroyed more than they were supposed to.

Read that which Joseph Smith said would be testified of in due time.

I testify that the words of Enoch of his vision of the last days and of the destruction to take place of the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds is real and is happening even as I type this with my thumb.

Read the book of your ancient grandfather Enoch and come to know and understand of all these things.

You will be glad you did and sound the alarm as God has said to do in the book of Joel written and given thereafter the vision of Enoch the Prophet. ♡ ♡

[buffalo_girl]

Never mind the fact many poor members are poor because of being lazy.

love to see that statistic!

Acts 4
31 ¶And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

[freedomforall]

What we are lacking here, imho, is that although the idea of living the United Order may be appealing to some like Robert...the time and season is not yet. Everything in its own due time. Just as we know the Savior will come back...someday...so is the United Order to be initiated...someday. There are some people that want Jesus to come next week too, but it won't happen. He'll come when He is darn good and ready. We cannot expect things to happen prior to there allotted time. Also, there are people in the church that would probably leave if they were all of a sudden expected to divvy out their belongings. It takes a Zion minded people to live a higher law. It takes preparation, a personal desire and commitment, practice and faith to live the United Order.

What purpose would there be in the church giving homes to people? Right now the church teaches very strongly...self reliance, the ability to provide for ourselves in all things, by the sweat of our own brow. It matters not one iota who has the biggest home or the most expensive auto, what matters is that each member has their needs, a home/shelter, water, clothing, food and a sense of accomplishment in getting these things by their own effort...called self reliance. This is what the church expects from its members.
The time and season for the higher law is during the Millennium. There will be no poor, no rich, and the people will live a higher law in their hearts...not by force.

Pushing for something out of season is non productive. Tell us, can anyone go out on a cold, snowy day and insist a fruit tree produce ripe fruit within the next hour? Or must they wait for spring and then summer to enjoy that fruit?
However, we are also told to have charity. This is not only to love one another but to help out when someone is in crisis. There is nothing wrong with giving away a bench, a tv, a sofa, a kitchen table, a car or even a house. These are the exception not the rule of a higher law. By way of a charitable heart many members of the church are learning how to live the United Order...and this is a good thing.

Zion is the pure in heart and this includes all aspects of survival for all...in other words...the welfare of Zion. Forcing people to give is not a good way to teach bringing about Zion in each of us. It will be those that hunger and thirst after righteousness that will live the higher law willingly.

[freedomforall]

Never mind the fact many poor members are poor because of being lazy.

love to see that statistic!

Acts 4
31 ¶And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

See D&C 42:30-39 These verses tell us almost the same message. The members take goods to a bishop to be divvied out to those in need. I think. however, this is done when the United Oder is in practice. Just my perception.

[Robert Sinclair]

The time is not only right this very day, but the season has almost past.

So sound the alarm about this and weep and howl and blow the trumpet in Zion about this perversion of the time is not yet.

It has been time to keep the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ and almost too late for those blind sheep and Seventy Shepherds.

Awaken them all before it is everlastingly too late for them.

This is what has been written in the Scriptures, this is what ye should do. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

The Beast is given power to overcome the Saints by saying the time is not yet.

All he has to do is get them to listen to him.

How easy is that?

Truly few there will be as Jesus Christ has said that overcome the Beast of ignorance spoken of in the book of Revelation.

How many will come to know all the things Jesus Christ has said to do, and all the ways Jesus Christ has said to be like, and all the things Jesus Christ has said to know, when their leaders are not dilligently teaching the sheep to so do nor do they come to know all of these things themselves?

Awful is their state and horrible is this nightmare about to fall upon them if they do not awaken speedily.

Wherefore, weep and howl, and sound the alarm, and blow the trumpet in Zion long and loud to awaken these blind sheep and the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds, yes all the old men and administers of the law of God that they can awaken and give ear.

And consider:

"Hath this been in our day and even in the days of our fathers?"

Yes, yes it has, only awaken from this illusion and nightmare about to fall upon you and turn from all your faithless ways and unequal doings and your idols of the children of men.

And the after bringing his bride out of the closet clothed with equity and justice and righteousness and goodness and purity of heart, rejoice and be glad, knowing that the Lord will do great things. ♡ ♡

[freedomforall]

The scriptures also say to wait upon the Lord. Here are the ones that will inherit:

Psalms 37:7,9
7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.

Isaiah 40:31
31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Zephaniah 3:8
8 ¶Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

It pays to read more scriptures than a few.

[Robert Sinclair]

Yes, wait with patient hope is also written in The Book of Enoch the Prophet for the destruction of the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds and the blind sheep.

But I just felt the things written and revealed thereafter lent themselves to more hope than that.

So sound the alarm and weep and howl and blow the trumpet in Zion about the perversion of equity as God has said. ♡ ♡

[jsbaugh]

Never mind the fact many poor members are poor because of being lazy.

love to see that statistic!

Acts 4
31 ¶And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

I was financial clerk for 3 years. Believe me there are a lot of people that sponge off the church. There are also a lot of good honest, hardworking members that for one reason or another have a hard time making ends meet. The church welfare program is great but there are some who take advantage of it.

[jsbaugh]

What Robert doesn't understand and never will is the logistical nightmare it would be to giving homes and supporting poor members of the church. Never mind the fact many poor members are poor because of being lazy. If the church is going to give homes away then I also want one. I pay my tithes and temple worthy. Why shouldn't I qualify for a free home? Robert, you can spout scripture all you want but there is a reason we don't live the law of consecration right now. We are not prepared for it. All things will come to pass, but you preaching about it daily isn't going to speed it up.

Wow!! You couldn't be further from the truth.

Explain!

[Robert Sinclair]

The reason we do not live the law of consecration is of the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds that destroy all the blind sheep and themselves, and both will be judged found guilty and thrust into the fiery abyss spoken of by Enoch the Prophet.

Joseph Smith testified that the Book of Enoch would be testified of in due time.

I testify that the Book of Enoch the Prophet has the truth written in it. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

See Doctrine and Covenants section 107 verse 57. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

The read The Book of Enoch the Prophet chapter LXXXIX verses 25 thru 35. ♡ ♡

[freedomforall]

Yes, wait with patient hope is also written in The Book of Enoch the Prophet for the destruction of the Twelve and Seventy Shepherds and the blind sheep.

But I just felt the things written and revealed thereafter lent themselves to more hope than that.

So sound the alarm and weep and howl and blow the trumpet in Zion about the perversion of equity as God has said. ♡ ♡

Is the book of Enoch canonized scripture? It seems this is the only book you quote from. I don't think weeping and howling is going to bring the Millennium any closer. It may cause a sore throat, however. Is there just one thread where we haven't heard this howling? I think we have the message, thank you. You've also gotten other messages from scripture that seem to go to the wayside. I think it only fair that you address those scriptures with respect instead of howling. Plenty of people on this forum have important things to say as well. Why can't you pay heed to that which is behind their howling as well?

[Robert Sinclair]

In fact read diligently the entire Book of Enoch the Prophet 10-20 times through underlining and highlighting all the councel of this ancient grandfather given unto you.

Listen to his voice crying out to you. ♡ ♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Yes, it is Scripture written to read through dilligently as Joseph Smith testified. ♡ ♡