Tinfoil Hat Nut Job and Conspiracy Crazies

gkearney · Post by **gkearney** » February 19th, 2015, 3:10 pm

This is all fine a good a nice list of the practices of the Book of Mormon Secret Combinations. Further it can be assumed that the modern ones President Benson may have believed in follow some of these practices. However I am still looking for something from President Benson or other authorities that name the names of current members of current secret combinations. Did President Benson ever give such a detail?

freedomforall · Post by **freedomforall** » February 19th, 2015, 3:36 pm

gkearney wrote:This is all fine a good a nice list of the practices of the Book of Mormon Secret Combinations. Further it can be assumed that the modern ones President Benson may have believed in follow some of these practices. However I am still looking for something from President Benson or other authorities that name the names of current members of current secret combinations. Did President Benson ever give such a detail?

Here's a good beginning. Listen to how Pres. Benson describes secret combinations.

I testify by Pres. Benson
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... sten=audio" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Read it here: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... y?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LittleLion · Post by **LittleLion** » February 19th, 2015, 3:39 pm

gkearney wrote:However I am still looking for something from President Benson or other authorities that name the names of current members of current secret combinations. Did President Benson ever give such a detail?

But then it would not be secret anymore! It would just be a current combination. No fun at all!

JohnnyL · Post by **JohnnyL** » February 19th, 2015, 4:15 pm

LittleLion wrote:Case in point, Kaspersky Labs just released information that the NSA has had the ability for over 20 years to spy on almost every computer in the world by having spyware imbedded into the firmware of hard drives thereby bypassing all the safeguards that an operating system along with virus/anti-spy software could provide. So, this means almost from day one of the computer age you have been spied on in your own homes. Think of what this means. Really think about it. Since before the revelations of Edward Snowden, before 9/11 and before 100's of whistle blowers and well before most people even thought about privacy and security issues, your information was their information...
Just one link of the many out there for the lazy people that don't want to search themselves.

Let me add a few more to this.
Pre-installed Windows access (from W95 on): http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... indows.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or maybe this one, for W8: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22 ... 8-exploit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

iPhone, in 2008: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2083460/ ... hones.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Encryption backdoors, since 2000: http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/09/06 ... -internet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FBI pushes for backdoors: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010 ... y-experts/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And even more I haven't listed. (Feel free to search the remaining 100,000 websites.)

Do you see what's going on? So many backdoors have already been put in!!! As sometimes happens: Public debate over the future is raging, while it's already been done years in the past.

JohnnyL · Post by **JohnnyL** » February 19th, 2015, 4:17 pm

gkearney wrote:This is all fine a good a nice list of the practices of the Book of Mormon Secret Combinations. Further it can be assumed that the modern ones President Benson may have believed in follow some of these practices. However I am still looking for something from President Benson or other authorities that name the names of current members of current secret combinations. Did President Benson ever give such a detail?

Let's say he did. Then what?
Let's say he didn't. Then what?

gkearney · Post by **gkearney** » February 19th, 2015, 4:44 pm

JohnnyL wrote:
gkearney wrote:This is all fine a good a nice list of the practices of the Book of Mormon Secret Combinations. Further it can be assumed that the modern ones President Benson may have believed in follow some of these practices. However I am still looking for something from President Benson or other authorities that name the names of current members of current secret combinations. Did President Benson ever give such a detail?
Let's say he did. Then what?
Let's say he didn't. Then what?

If he did then we have some specific actions we might take against a specific person or persons. For example we could watch for them or their associates in elected positions.

If he did not then we are left to speculate as to who it may or may not be. Confusion reigns. This gives rise the to current situation where, in the lack of any specificity, we see everything being thrown out as part of some kind of a conspiracy every action has a dark hand involved. It is rather had to evaluate when there are no specifics given.

LittleLion · Post by **LittleLion** » February 19th, 2015, 5:31 pm

Chip wrote:"The point of the demoralization process was to get people to where they cannot come to sensible conclusions about what is right and what is wrong, about what is true and what is false. Exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures, even if I take him by force and show him the actual, material physical proof, he will refuse to believe it, until he receives a kick on his fat bottom. So, America is basically stuck with demoralization. Even if you start right now, this minute, educating a new generation of Americans, it will still take you fifteen to twenty years to turn the tide of ideological perception of reality back to normalcy." --- Yuri Bezmenov

Social engineering is alive and well that's for sure and it works most effectively. Most people have no clue they are slaves and are paying for their own slavery.

LittleLion · Post by **LittleLion** » February 19th, 2015, 6:08 pm

gkearney wrote:we see everything being thrown out as part of some kind of a conspiracy every action has a dark hand involved. It is rather hard to evaluate when there are no specifics given.

It is not hard to evaluate if you do your homework and use your God given intelligence. Many things you will never get to the absolute bottom of or find the actual who what when and where's of. Though you can make very intelligent hypotheses based on evidences and research to make the important decisions in your life. This is not an exact science but it is very helpful in knowing what is really going on in the world. If you see the fruits of something but you are not sure who is bearing that fruit it is not impossible to find out who benefited from that fruit and its easy to see who didn't benefit from it.

How does a Jury decide if someone should die or not? I would say that is an extremely important decision. But by yours and others reasoning's without actually being there and seeing for yourself nobody could make any decisions. Many people would say your a loony tune for believing in a being that lives in another plane of existence and is invisible to you but is your father, and has sent a ghost to teach you the truth of all things. There is NO physical evidence about those subjects but you still believe. Then you try and make a rational argument that the evidence we or others have collected about things we believe in is wrong because why? Because you have to have way more evidence about things you cant believe yet you cant PROVE God, or electricity, or heat or cold exist but you still believe in them. Why? Because of the evidences you have collected about them and believe in. *shrugs*

And as Chip has brought out, "Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures, even if I take him by force and show him the actual, material physical proof, he will refuse to believe it, until he receives a kick on his fat bottom. " And personally I think that's where you and George and a few others are at with this topic.

Ezra · Post by **Ezra** » February 19th, 2015, 6:53 pm

We have been told and yes we have been told specificly who they are. I have pages of quotes. Pages upon pages. And also books that our leaders asked us to read to know who the secret combanations are. Scriptures say it just as clearly where to look.

If anyone on here dosent clearly know who they are it's because they have perposly put blinders on so they could remain in the dark.

D&c 123 :12-15 point this out as well.
D&c76:75 says those who remain in that state of being blind to the craftiness of men are not going to the celetial kingdom.

So this is a very serious thing to know.

It's your own fault if you don't. And also why you are part of the not chosen D&c 121 :34 talks about.

If you think that this knowledge of secret combanations and what they are doing who they are is not important. Your likelihood of making it to the celetial kingdom if very limited. as most likly you are being decived by the craftiness of men as D&c76:75 talks about.

JohnnyL · Post by **JohnnyL** » February 19th, 2015, 7:34 pm

gkearney wrote:
JohnnyL wrote:
gkearney wrote:This is all fine a good a nice list of the practices of the Book of Mormon Secret Combinations. Further it can be assumed that the modern ones President Benson may have believed in follow some of these practices. However I am still looking for something from President Benson or other authorities that name the names of current members of current secret combinations. Did President Benson ever give such a detail?
Let's say he did. Then what?
Let's say he didn't. Then what?
If he did then we have some specific actions we might take against a specific person or persons. For example we could watch for them or their associates in elected positions.

If he did not then we are left to speculate as to who it may or may not be. Confusion reigns. This gives rise the to current situation where, in the lack of any specificity, we see everything being thrown out as part of some kind of a conspiracy every action has a dark hand involved. It is rather had to evaluate when there are no specifics given.

I will give my opinion. Earlier, he believed it was communism, then perhaps most -isms. In the latter part, he understood those were only part of THE secret combination's "used things".

Confusion is part of trying to understand truth. It's also what led JS to greater light and knowledge, among other things.

There are many, many non-Church resources that tie individuals and organizations together. Many quotes are helpful. Yes, there is confusion, but it's usually on smaller points. There is little confusion in the MSM--why? You can hold to MSM and have clear untruth, or open to alternative media and get unclear truth, and have to work or read others' work to understand the bigger picture clearer and clearer.

It's tempting to suggest so many things, but for a starting reference, what have you searched so far?

https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com ... -by-grego/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

freedomforall · Post by **freedomforall** » February 20th, 2015, 3:16 am

Sometimes it is too problematic posting very long articles so I post this to those interested. I'm sure there is something for everyone.
Please check out the info here:

CONSPIRACY Parts 1-17

lundbaek · Post by **lundbaek** » February 20th, 2015, 3:45 am

Dr. Dennis Cuddy's articles on conspiracy can be accessed on http://www.newswithviews.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and are well worth reading. Also, his book "Secret Records Revealed" is a compilation of enlightening information on conspiracy.

freedomforall · Post by **freedomforall** » February 20th, 2015, 3:59 am

lundbaek wrote:Dr. Dennis Cuddy's articles on conspiracy can be accessed on http://www.newswithviews.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and are well worth reading. Also, his book "Secret Records Revealed" is a compilation of enlightening information on conspiracy.

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Hello, Lundbaek! Thanks for the info. I hope people will glean from all this great materials. Even I will check it out.

A lot of people have no leg to stand on when there is so much evidence before their own eyes that we are being smothered with conspiracies, strife and tyranny.

Fiannan · Post by **Fiannan** » February 20th, 2015, 4:11 am

Conspiracy evidence?

CIA used "modern art" as a weapon: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 78808.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CIA funded modern feminism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HRUEqyZ7p8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

larsenb · Post by **larsenb** » February 20th, 2015, 2:21 pm

JohnnyL wrote:
gkearney wrote:This is all fine a good a nice list of the practices of the Book of Mormon Secret Combinations. Further it can be assumed that the modern ones President Benson may have believed in follow some of these practices. However I am still looking for something from President Benson or other authorities that name the names of current members of current secret combinations. Did President Benson ever give such a detail?
Let's say he did. Then what?
Let's say he didn't. Then what?

As I recall, he did and more than just obliquely. I've got 3 books that have myriad quotes on these issues, many from Pres. Benson.

I believe he got more specific in articles/talks in the '80's before he was made President of the Church. I would have to dig them out.

Additionally, in the reactivation of Pres. J. Reuben Clark, almost directly into the 1st Presidency, he talks about his encounters with these folks. He even worked for them

And yes, the centers of power, according to Benson and Clark whirl around the group that includes the richest central/merchant bankers.

freedomforall · Post by **freedomforall** » February 20th, 2015, 4:09 pm

Do we believe this or do we not?

CIA Whistleblower: Obama's Plans To Destroy US And Seize Power; 70 Agency DHS To Enforce Martial Law

gclayjr · Post by **gclayjr** » February 20th, 2015, 4:53 pm

FreedomForAll,

Those of us who are not card holding members of the "Tin Foil Hat" club do recognize that even though we don't buy into all Conspiracies you guys believe in, there truly are evil designing men out there trying to destroy our liberty. Most of us recognize that BHO is one of them. While I don't know the specifics as to the truth of

Obama's Plans To Destroy US And Seize Power; 70 Agency DHS To Enforce Martial Law

It is certainly believable. However, being believable doesn't necessarily mean it is a fact. Just sitting in our basements and blogging about it isn't going to do squat to solve anything. The people best able to do something about this would be whistle-blowers who can go to congress and the press to reveal the facts behind this with evidence. Regular citizens can work to help protect and encourage those whistle-blowers, or to alert members of congress that such whistle-blowers do exist.

Bottom Line; Just because some conspiracies are just theories, some others are fact.; and just ruminating about them and insulting people who don't agree accomplishes nothing.

Regards,

George Clay

LittleLion · Post by **LittleLion** » February 20th, 2015, 5:18 pm

gclayjr wrote:Bottom Line; Just because some conspiracies are just theories, some others are fact.; and just ruminating about them and insulting people who don't agree accomplishes nothing.

Ruminating, or more precisely, informing people about them most definitely can do some good. There are many people who's eyes are not open yet and all it takes is just one post in one forum to start them on the path to seeing what is really going on. That person could very well be the one that starts something worth while or even creates a workable solution to one of them. Never know....

freedomforall · Post by **freedomforall** » February 20th, 2015, 8:35 pm

gclayjr wrote:Bottom Line; Just because some conspiracies are just theories, some others are fact.; and just ruminating about them and insulting people who don't agree accomplishes nothing.

From A Glorious Standard:

2. We must learn the principles of the Constitution and then abide by its precepts. Have we read the Constitution and pondered it? Are we aware of its principles? Could we defend it? Can we recognize when a law is constitutionally unsound?
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We encourage Latter-day Saints throughout the nation to familiarize themselves with the Constitution. They should focus attention on it by reading and studying it. They should ponder the blessings that come through it. They should recommit themselves to its principles and be prepared to defend it and the freedom it provides.…
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The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Therefore the devil has concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. His arguments are clever….
[Says the devil]: “Don’t do anything in the fight for freedom until the Church sets up its own specific program to save the Constitution.” This brings us right back to the scripture…to those slothful servants who will not do anything until they are “compelled in all things” [D&C 58:26]. Maybe the Lord will never set up a specific church program for the purpose of saving the Constitution. Perhaps if he set one up at this time it might split the Church asunder, and perhaps he does not want that to happen yet for not all the wheat and tares are fully ripe….
[H]ave we elders been warned? Yes, we have. And have we elders been given the guidelines? Yes indeed, we have. And besides, if the Church should ever inaugurate a program [to save the Constitution], who do you think would be in the forefront to get it moving? It would not be those who were sitting on the sidelines prior to that time or those who were appeasing the enemy. It would be those choice spirits who, not waiting to be “commanded in all 101 things,” used their own free will, the counsel of the prophets, and the Spirit of the Lord as guidelines and who entered the battle “in a good cause” and brought to pass much righteousness in freedom’s cause….
Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and worldwide mission. The war in heaven is raging on the earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle? (April 1965, General Conference)
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God grant that we all live up to the great responsibility that is ours. May He help us to study, to learn, and to write the Constitution in our hearts; to defend, uphold, cherish, and sustain it; and ultimately to save it not only for ourselves, but for our children and their posterity. Should we lose our freedom, and then must buy it back at the price of blood and great loss, what excuse will we give our children that will explain our failure to protect that which the Lord has commanded us to not let be polluted? Joseph Smith, the prophet of the Restoration, taught us that the Constitution is a “glorious standard,” and that it does belong to “all mankind.” Let us, in this great latter-day Christian cause, do all we can to maintain the freedom of our land, under the Constitution which God gave us, so that 169 one day it fills the whole world, establishing freedom for all of God’s children—forever.
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If we are to keep faith with our Constitution, we must know it. Since it is the basis of our American way of life and our liberties every American should be familiar with it. We should read it periodically. How can people who are ignorant of the principles and guarantees of American government stand up in defense of it and our rights under the Constitution[?] The fundamentals and processes of free government should be known to every school boy—and his parents. No free people can ever survive if they are ignorant of and fail to understand the principles of free government! (1962, The Red Carpet, 201-202)

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