Tinfoil Hat Nut Job and Conspiracy Crazies

[LittleLion]

This is to all the people on this forum that want to stay in there safe little bubble and believe all is well in Zion. Also for those who believe that while there may be some bad things going on in the world, after all satan is alive and well and you have to have opposition in all things, but he will never do really crazy unbelievable things.

Almost daily we have the PTB letting out information that if it had let out say, before 9/11, it would have started a hailstorm and backlash so large they would have went backwards and heads would have literally rolled. They can let this info out now because they have so many people that either believe their garbage, are apathetic or afraid, they have congress ,the court system, the military and police so controlled they have no worries. There are a few reasons they are letting out this information and one is to try and drive a revolution. It is much more credible and better for them if the Tinfoil Hat Nut Job and Conspiracy Crazies start the revolution because then they can really bring the hammer down on everyone.

Case in point, Kaspersky Labs just released information that the NSA has had the ability for over 20 years to spy on almost every computer in the world by having spyware imbedded into the firmware of hard drives thereby bypassing all the safeguards that an operating system along with virus/anti-spy software could provide. So, this means almost from day one of the computer age you have been spied on in your own homes. Think of what this means. Really think about it. Since before the revelations of Edward Snowden, before 9/11 and before 100's of whistle blowers and well before most people even thought about privacy and security issues, your information was their information.

I have always said, if there was a way to spy on and/or control people satan was doing it, whether it be through people or technology he was doing it the very second it was possible to do so. People are fools to believe otherwise.

Just one link of the many out there for the lazy people that don't want to search themselves.

[Original_Intent]

You touched on a point that really drives me nuts. One of the main arguments against conspiracy is "surely someone would have talked."

The truth is that, probably hundreds and certainly dozens of insiders HAVE talked, but a complacent public believes exactly as they are told that they (the whistleblowers) are at best nutjobs themselves and at worst, traitors.

Also, many people simply don't realize how many whistle blowers there are because - surprise surprise! - they get very little if any coverage in the conspiracy controlled mainstream press. And again, anything not MSM approved they have been conditioned to believe is "crazy conspiracy talk". In other words, they create their own catch 22 of demanding evidence and then dismissing the evidence they require.

There are certainly conspiracy theories that are false, I neither accept nor reject every conspiracy theory just because it makes for thrilling reading or even if it seems plausible. There are many that I feel are untrue, even ridiculous, but I also understand enough about propaganda to realize that those ridiculous ones could be circulated by the true conspirators themselves to convince the masses that all conspiracy theories are bunk. I'm not saying that is the case, but that it is a possibility. There are also many conspiracy theories that I feel like the official story is not true, but I am not sure that the theory has it right either. And there are some that I feel there is plenty of evidence that they are no longer conspiracy theory, but conspiracy fact. And many of those conspiracy facts are so terrible that it is very hard to accept the awful situation that we are in.

[BroJones]

Helamen 6, Ether 8, Alma 37 (great chapter, the middle part records Alma's prophetic warning re: secret combinations/conspiracies, often overlooked it seems).

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[Fiannan]

Anyone actually know where the term "tin foil hat" originates? I noticed that on a YouTube video featuring an interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, the man who crafted the Reagan Administration's economic policy and former editor of the Wall Street Journal, that someone in the comments called him a "tin foil hat conspiracy nut" for saying the USA was involved in the creation of the destabilization of Ukraine.

[Original_Intent]

Anyone actually know where the term "tin foil hat" originates? I noticed that on a YouTube video featuring an interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, the man who crafted the Reagan Administration's economic policy and former editor of the Wall Street Journal, that someone in the comments called him a "tin foil hat conspiracy nut" for saying the USA was involved in the creation of the destabilization of Ukraine.

My understanding is that one of the conspiracies was that they were developing mind reading technology and also the ability to put thoughts in your head, and the only way to block it was to wear a tin foil hat.

[gclayjr]

I guess that I am one of those targeted by by this post. I would like to again (although probably pointlessly) point out the error of your assertions. I think that there are many like me who DO recognize that we live in dangerous times. That there are many conspiracies and evil things being performed and people forming secret groups to follow Satan and destroy our freedoms.

That being said, it is possible to believe in conspiracies without believing in specific conspiracy theories promoted by the "Tin Foil hat" crowd. The problem with you "Tin Foil Hat" crowd is that if someone doesn't agree with every specific conspiracy theory you believer in, you not only disagree with them but you brand those people as either part of the stupid unenlightened or of the conspiracy.

I have tried in the past, both here on this board, and in other situations to reach out and say that all of us should be concerned about terrible things that are happening such as the computer spying that Mr. Snowden tried to expose. You guys decide that if I don't buy into the Shooter on the Knoll killing Kennedy conspiracy, or can't get my knickers in a twist over Chem Trails, then I am one of them, not one of you and we have no common ground to discuss. I think you all hurt your own cause by deciding that one must be 100% tin foil hat ... or be the enemy.

But the big problem is that you guys seem to think that sitting around ranting on the internet or meeting with fellow believers and having punch and cookies and ranting about various conspiracies is doing something about them. I guess at least it makes you feel more righteous about it.

I remember back in the eighties, a friend of mine (who I believe was a Bircher) approached me me and proceeded to push BIlderberger, Rothschild Banker conspiracy theories on me. It was at this time I figured out what a waste of time and energy pursuing such conspiracy theories were. I believe in Gold (or Silver... I don't want to get into late 19th century arguments at this time) based currency. I believe in solid money and think that any National bank or Federal Reserve is evil, and printing money is horrible. I also recognize that many "Robber Barons" of the late 19th century were becoming rich enough to fund their planned business expansions out of their own cash reserves (a gospel principle I believe). This was taking a lot of potential business away from Bankers. Bankers got together to figure out how to take this business back, and figured out that they needed to make credit extremely cheap, and through various schemes (conspiracies?) out popped the federal reserve system.

Yes, the federal reserve system is evil. yes there were conspiring individuals and groups conspiring to get it enacted as a law and did so successfully. That being said, who it was that conspired is irrelevant. You will do nothing to get rid of this evil by going on a mission to expose the conspiracy or conspiracies. The only way to make effective changes to this evil or others is to work on the principles. Convince people that "money from nothing" schemes don't work. teach people why the federal reserve system is destructive. Work towards getting politicians and laws to limit or repeal the Fed.

In other words, work to teach people correct principles, rather than go on rants about conspiracies. It is only through this that change can occur. Certainly if you dismiss everybody that doesn't buy into your specific conspiracy you actually do more harm than good to the very causes you say you are for.

But then this isn't about really doing anything useful, but about feeling self righteous and smug.

Regards,

George Clay

[Fiannan]

Anyone actually know where the term "tin foil hat" originates? I noticed that on a YouTube video featuring an interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, the man who crafted the Reagan Administration's economic policy and former editor of the Wall Street Journal, that someone in the comments called him a "tin foil hat conspiracy nut" for saying the USA was involved in the creation of the destabilization of Ukraine.

My understanding is that one of the conspiracies was that they were developing mind reading technology and also the ability to put thoughts in your head, and the only way to block it was to wear a tin foil hat.

I had heard it was an invention of the CIA to discredit those who opposed US foreign policy but thought someone had the specifics of that.

[OCDMOM]

My Husband says I'm paranoid Rob Lowe. But I'm not because I don't think they put listening devices in Cheese. True story.

[gclayjr]

fiannan,

OI has it pretty right. Although my memory this was more in regards to extra-terrestrials who would grab people to study their minds. The tin-foil hat would block the radiation or whatever other waves were used to "read minds". This was big in the 50s and 60s.

Here is the Wikipedia reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

regards,

George Clay

[LittleLion]

hehehe! Sorry had to get that out before I start on this post. :ymhug:

Thanks Original Intent, a very good post especially the part about the awful situation we are in and how many people have talked but are not taken seriously or are not here anymore. Back in the early 90's when GMO was really taking off there were over 100 biotechnology scientists and technicians that came up missing or met with unnatural deaths. The really bizarre death was of a young female scientist that was found bricked up inside a wall. But do people know about this? No they don't for the most part because as JFK said;

"It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

because as you say,even if whistleblowers get their word out they are discredited at the least or killed at the worst. They are killing soooo many people now as of late its incredible how bold they are. I believe a president of the United States would pull more weight here but apparently others know better than a man who was in it up to his neck. Amazing.....

Thanks Brojones that piece was most excellent and very true.

Hey...to be fair...i only think some people on here should be fitted for tinfoil hats....not all. I do not think all is well. Nor do i live in a bubble.

There is no fair in truth, it just is. If you don't research it don't talk about it or at least don't talk like you have done research. IMO that is what you do sometimes. I always appreciate sincere back and forth without the I know it all so talk to the hand routine. I don't mind being wrong and being corrected. I would much rather be corrected than keep believing something is true when it is not. Many people have changed my mind about many things in my life because they sincerely want the truth to be known.

I guess that I am one of those targeted by by this post.

Nobody said that but feel free to believe what you will.

you not only disagree with them but you brand those people as either part of the stupid unenlightened or of the conspiracy.
You guys decide that if I don't buy into the Shooter on the Knoll killing Kennedy conspiracy, or can't get my knickers in a twist over Chem Trails, then I am one of them, not one of you and we have no common ground to discuss. I think you all hurt your own cause by deciding that one must be 100% tin foil hat ... or be the enemy. But the big problem is that you guys seem to think that sitting around ranting on the internet or meeting with fellow believers and having punch and cookies and ranting about various conspiracies is doing something about them. I guess at least it makes you feel more righteous about it.But then this isn't about really doing anything useful, but about feeling self righteous and smug.

Unfortunately George when you go on your rants you says things that nobody has said about the topic. Nobody here has branded anybody, or said that you are one of "them", or that we sit around having punch and cookies? hmm don't get that one...
I don't feel anyone here feels more righteous than you or that this is not doing any good. And, if you're talking about me when you say smug you could not be farther from the truth. I think you are mistaking my passion for self righteous and smug behavior. Believe me I am least among the people here, including you.

But I do agree with you the best course is education. Since you do not know me in the least you have no clue as to what I am really about or what I have done to educate myself and others but I have tried many things including speaking engagements to 100's of people. But you insist on judging me nonetheless. I will not judge you as I do not know you and feel to say that you are wrong about me. I hope that if you believe I was trying to insult or belittle you in any way that you will sincerely accept my apology.

[gclayjr]

LittleLion,

I think maybe you missed my point.

But I do agree with you the best course is education. Since you do not know me in the least you have no clue as to what I am really about or what I have done to educate myself and others but I have tried many things including speaking engagements to 100's of people.

What were your speaking engagements about... conspiracies?

What I said is that talking about the conspiracies is pointless. I used the example of the FED. It doesn't matter what conspiracies led to the creation of the fed. What is important is that the Fed destroys the economy, not helps the economy. rather than focusing on the conspiracy. Focus on the Money and banking principles that need to be in place to fix this problem and how to persuade people or elect lawmakers to change it.

I tried to make my point with an example that we might generally agree upon. I'll let you make your point by throwing out something I don't agree with (and it may not be YOUR pet conspiracy, because I do not have time or desire to map which of you have posted about which specific conspiracy). But what about GMO plants? Rather than go into rants about Monsanto conspiracies, what scientific proof can you bring to the table that GMO foods are harmful? What are you doing to support or perform true non-biased scientific reasearch to prove or disprove that they are harmful? I don't mean just rants from the anything not natural is bad crowd either.

Or pick your own thing that is being promoted by a conspiracy and show me how you focus on whatever the problem is rather than the conspiracy.

Regards,

George Clay

[Thomas]

I just might make myself a tinfoil hat one day. It has been claimed the CIA can mind control people by transmitting voices directly into the mind. The tinfoil hat might block it out.

Seriously folks, the government has admitted to be developing brain washing and mind control techniques for seventy years now.

[LittleLion]

I think maybe you missed my point.

You may be right....I might have. What I was mainly trying to speak to is your ability to rant about what people might be saying and reading things into their words when nothing of the kind was intimated, and, have nothing at all to do with the topic at hand. Words like slimy, self righteous and smug, all words you have called me, that are not helpful in any type of sincere back and forth. I don't mind at all if I end up being wrong, it has happened many times before and It will happen many times in the future. You don't have to respect the person or even like them or their "tone" or their stand on a certain subject but being respectful and sincere is of the utmost importance. Because when respect and sincerity are involved both sides usually end up learning something.

What were your speaking engagements about... conspiracies?

I have spoken to over a 1000 people in my stake on the BoM and as few as a handful about alternative health care along with many subjects and sizes of audiences in between. Yes I have spoken on the subject of conspiracies but only as far as my research has taken me, I don't pretend to be an expert on it by any means. But I have done considerable research over the years.


I agree that the focus should be on how do we fix the problem not the problem itself but until people realize there is a problem it is pointless to talk about solutions. This most assuredly means our elected officials who seem to be the least educated and clueless about truth. I do agree with your point so it was not a wasted one. Let me make a point about what I was saying about how you read things into peoples words that they did not say. You mentioned Monsanto in your reply to me. I did not mention anything at all about Monsanto and in fact was not even trying to imply anything at all about Monsanto. What I was saying is that all through history there have been very mysterious circumstances involving certain subjects or groups of people. It is a fact that over 100 biotech scientists and technicians went missing or died mysterious unnatural deaths in the early 90's when GMO's were being introduced into our biosphere. Just like it is a fact that many nuclear scientists and technicians did the same all over the world just before and after nuclear bombs were being developed. Same thing for the almost 100 bankers right now in the last 18 months. Not just people that work for banks but top banking officials.

These death rates are many orders of magnitude above and beyond the normal of what you find for the ages and occupations of these people. This has not happened to just these three groups that I mentioned above but in many such groups of specialized or similar occupations that this has happened to all through history and all over the world. So, are these facts by themselves all telling? Of course not, but they are a dot of information and when you have enough dots to start connecting them you begin to see a picture. When you see extraordinary things happening most people wonder what is going on. Some start to investigate. When investigations are thwarted by corporations, and governments through the courts or worse, you know you are on to something. That's all I was trying to say.

But since you brought it up Monsanto is probably the most hated corporation in history. Now a normal unbiased person would wonder why. But it seems like you automatically lump them into conspiracy theory land and so anything anyone says about them is false. You can research and find horrific things that they have did to farmers all over the world and what their products have done to the earth and to the people. I'm talking solid evidence of undeniable malfeasance against the people and nature. But this is not about Monsanto even though they make GMO's. So if a corporation that has been involved in so many verified deaths and wrong doing as Monsanto has will you just throw the baby out with the bathwater and trust them on GMO's ? I won't, sorry. Character and integrity are essential parts of me trusting anyone or anything.

[gclayjr]

LittleLion,

You make my point as you try to insult me and my observations. You actually make no effort to show any evidence as to what may or may not be dangerous about GMO seeds. You accept whatever is said by the tin foil hat crown and nothing said by scientists and engineers directly involved in this research, or even in testing the safety and health of the products I guess you base your acceptance on

Character and integrity are essential parts of me trusting anyone or anything.

And like a large part of the Tin Foil Hat crowd I can only assume that you presume that if Monsanto is evil, then the accusers must be good, so you accept whatever BS they say.

I will pose the same question I posed here years ago. So what if you are right. What is your goal? Do you expect the problem to be solved by convincing enough people to agree with you to get the Perps perp walked to jail? I see no evidence of any thing that has been done to counter the evil in this world by pursuing any conspiracy theory. Show me how some evil secret combinations have been overthrown by the exposure of their conspiracy by conspiracy theorists. I know of None despite decades of conspiracy theorists going to meetings and talking about this (while drinking punch and eating cookies) and writing posts and blogs about this. It has done nothing to eliminate such conspiracies or bring the perps to justice, or even resolve the evil done by them.

In fact, a conspiracy may not even be evil. I suppose people conspire to be "Secret Santas". Should we expose the Secret Santa rings? If the conspiracy creates evil things then prove the evilness of those things and it doesn't matter whether they came about as a result of a conspiracy or because of open collaboration.

So are GMO seeds harmful? Where is the scientific evidence? Whether they are harmful or not is important. Whether they came about because of a secret combination is irrelevant. And frothing at the mouth about such conspiracies discredits you before all who are not wearing the "Tin Foil Hats", and if you should be right, then you have destroyed any chance you have of fixing the problem by focusing on the wrong things!

Regards,

George Clay

[LittleLion]

You make my point as you try to insult me and my observations.

This is where we diverge greatly. My purpose is not to insult anyone. I actually agreed with you three times in my last reply. You also make critical mistakes about me by saying that if I believe one thing( Monsanto is evil) then another thing must be true (the accusers must be good.) You have continually accused me and other tin foil hate wearers of this type of collective rationalization. Anyone who uses any type of critical thinking at all will realize that not only is this false it is the worst type of self righteous morality. Which I guess that is why you have accused me of being self righteous several times. You have done this either because you really believe it, which, if this is the case, is sad because you don't know me and the hypothesis would not stand up to any independent scrutiny at all. Or you are doing this because you are a troll/shill doing it on purpose, which if this is the case you are the one that is the self righteous morally corrupt individual. Example being George Bush when he said about 9/11, " You are either with us, or with the terrorists" which is totally and obviously wrong because there are many more beliefs/views than just the two about that subject. Either way, you are not understanding what I am trying to say at all.


I make no effort to show any evidence because I have learned time and time again that people after hearing about something they either disagree with or feel that it is not possible will either forget about it or become keenly interested in it and do their own research which is far more valuable than having someone spoon feed them. If and when you sincerely want some of my research on any subject including GMO's, or you hit a snag I would be more than happy to help as long as you stop these inane George Bushism's.

There are some people that do not need to know about conspiracies and some people do. Joseph Smith did not say we should waste and wear out our lives bringing to light evil if there were no purpose in it. Yes I agree with you that the "perps" should be brought to justice. But without the people as a whole knowing about the evils then they cannot make correct decisions and see what they should really be seeing if they are to move forward instead of just being fuel for satan and his plan.

And again who is being smug about conspiracies while talking about secret santas is it? wow Just like the trolls/shills who's whole purpose is to discredit, malign and obfuscate. I have tried to hold my hand out to you earnestly, to get away from the darkness of debasing one another but you will have none of it. So be it. You accuse me of frothing at the mouth. okay.... (wiping away the froth) Hmm tasty!

[Thomas]

LittleLion,

You make my point as you try to insult me and my observations. You actually make no effort to show any evidence as to what may or may not be dangerous about GMO seeds. You accept whatever is said by the tin foil hat crown and nothing said by scientists and engineers directly involved in this research, or even in testing the safety and health of the products I guess you base your acceptance on

Character and integrity are essential parts of me trusting anyone or anything.

And like a large part of the Tin Foil Hat crowd I can only assume that you presume that if Monsanto is evil, then the accusers must be good, so you accept whatever BS they say.

I will pose the same question I posed here years ago. So what if you are right. What is your goal? Do you expect the problem to be solved by convincing enough people to agree with you to get the Perps perp walked to jail? I see no evidence of any thing that has been done to counter the evil in this world by pursuing any conspiracy theory. Show me how some evil secret combinations have been overthrown by the exposure of their conspiracy by conspiracy theorists. I know of None despite decades of conspiracy theorists going to meetings and talking about this (while drinking punch and eating cookies) and writing posts and blogs about this. It has done nothing to eliminate such conspiracies or bring the perps to justice, or even resolve the evil done by them.

In fact, a conspiracy may not even be evil. I suppose people conspire to be "Secret Santas". Should we expose the Secret Santa rings? If the conspiracy creates evil things then prove the evilness of those things and it doesn't matter whether they came about as a result of a conspiracy or because of open collaboration.

So are GMO seeds harmful? Where is the scientific evidence? Whether they are harmful or not is important. Whether they came about because of a secret combination is irrelevant. And frothing at the mouth about such conspiracies discredits you before all who are not wearing the "Tin Foil Hats", and if you should be right, then you have destroyed any chance you have of fixing the problem by focusing on the wrong things!

Regards,

George Clay

Maybe use some thinking skills about GMOs and Monsanto. Monsanto makes Roundup, a toxic poison that would kill you, if you consumed it. Monsanto alters plant genes to make them able to absorb Roundup and not be hurt. Weeds that do not have their genetics altered still die from Roundup.

Farmers plant the Roundup tolerant crops and spray Roundup on them quite liberally. Those plants absorb the Roundup, You then buy the plant and eat the Roundup contained in the plant. Just like the weeds, you have not been genetically altered to be tolerant to Roundup so you experience health problems as a result.

Perhaps you die thirty years prematurely because of it but hey no big deal. Monsanto has paid plenty of scientist to say, it is safe so go ahead and chow down on all the Roundup you can stomach. Maybe skip a few steps and go to Walmart and get a gallon of it. Drink it straight out of the bottle if you believe all those scientists.

[LittleLion]

Just like the weeds, you have not been genetically altered to be tolerant to Roundup so you experience health problems as a result.

It is even more serious than that Thomas. Your body can literally be changed at the DNA level. When this happens you will pass on the genetic modification to your children. Eventually you will be totally genetically remade however they want you to be remade. But many people could never believe that scientists and our government would ever let anything THAT bad happen. Its impossible right? Let alone all the pain suffering and death that has already been caused.

What RNA does to the human body

Does Your Body Absorb GMO DNA?

Species Alteration Is GMO rewiring Our DNA?

Maybe skip a few steps and go to Walmart and get a gallon of it. Drink it straight out of the bottle if you believe all those scientists.

Thomas thank you for trying but I believe its a lost cause. The force is strong in this one.

[Fiannan]

So was Bernays a "conspiracy theorist?"

[Rose Garden]

My sentiments actually might sound quite a bit like George's. I don't know anything about DNA. I don't know if roundup or GMO's alter DNA. And I don't know who killed President Kennedy either. I accept the possibility that the conspiracies are true, and I enjoy learning about them, but I'm waiting for that time when the truth is shouted from the housetops before I'll know for sure.

Of course, I do know wheat does not seem to be good for my family members. I know that such a relatively small fire could not have brought down a steel-frame building in a matter of seconds. I can figure out a few things like that myself.

I know enough that I'm a bit paranoid at times. I don't really trust anyone who's trying to sell me something, like vaccines. Anything that comes from the government is instantly suspect, since they are all about money and power. Chemicals scare me.

I really don't know a whole lot about conspiracies, but the little I do know has made me wary of just about everything.

Did you get that NSA?

[SAM]

My sentiments actually might sound quite a bit like George's. I don't know anything about DNA. I don't know if roundup or GMO's alter DNA. And I don't know who killed President Kennedy either. I accept the possibility that the conspiracies are true, and I enjoy learning about them, but I'm waiting for that time when the truth is shouted from the housetops before I'll know for sure.

Of course, I do know wheat does not seem to be good for my family members. I know that such a relatively small fire could not have brought down a steel-frame building in a matter of seconds. I can figure out a few things like that myself.

I know enough that I'm a bit paranoid at times. I don't really trust anyone who's trying to sell me something, like vaccines. Anything that comes from the government is instantly suspect, since they are all about money and power. Chemicals scare me.

I really don't know a whole lot about conspiracies, but the little I do know has made me wary of just about everything.

Did you get that NSA?

My sentiments exactly, Jezebel.

[LittleLion]

So was Bernays a "conspiracy theorist?[/img]

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of."

"Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government."

"The best defense against propaganda: more propaganda."

Judging by these quotes attributed to Bernays he definitely thought of himself as one of the people that helped manage society for the people he believed to be the controllers of it. So to him he was not a conspiracy theorist but a pragmatist even though propaganda was his game.

[LittleLion]

My sentiments actually might sound quite a bit like George's.I really don't know a whole lot about conspiracies, but the little I do know has made me wary of just about everything. Did you get that NSA?

At least you don't call people names and put words in their mouths. That is a good thing. What you mentioned is totally opposite of George. You say you don't know much about conspiracies but George knows all about them including which ones are BS. You say that what little you do know has made you wary of just about everything and that is all I was ever getting at is don't discount anything until you do your own research. Questioning everything does not have to be a bad thing and it just might save you some heartache. George pushes the very dangerous idea of collective rationalization which you do not. So I don't think you sound very much like George at all. Thanks for posting.


BTW my Daughter went to Okinawa on her mission. Is that Japanese Kanji in your avatar? Ah yes I think it means Beauty?

[freedomforall]

my Daughter went to Okinawa on her mission

Okinawa, 60 miles in length, 12 miles at its widest. I spent 14 months on that island in the late sixties. There were times the humidity was so high that it would almost knock one over backwards upon leaving a cool, air conditioned structure and stepping outside. And then within a few moments sweat would run in multiple locations.

Sorry to hijack the thread but I thought this is better than calling conspiracy theorists nutjobs.
President Benson said that the Book of Mormon is not conspiracy theory...it is conspiracy fact. And he tried o get the saints to watch out for secret combinations over us. So for anyone that followed his counsel, we know there are present day conspiracies.

To whom has strong curiosity, please refresh your mind with this from ETB.

[gclayjr]

Jezebel,

I don't know how similar our points of view are, but you do seem to at least show some perspective, and maybe some critical thinking, and that is good. It is interesting that the Tin Foil Hat people think that they are the ones with open eyes, when they are really the "Sheeple".

I used the example of the FED as an example of an evil that has come about as the result of various conspiracies, and showed that the solution to this problem does NOT reside in endlessly ruminating over the conspiracies that might have led to its creation, but dealing with the laws and financial ignorance that perpetuates it.

Since the "Tin Foil Hat" people don't just believe in selected conspiracies, they must believe all of them (Sheeple). I picked one of the many standard conspiracies that they all believe in, and challenged anybody to see a rational approach to defining and resolving the problem. As an example I selected the GMO conspiracy.

LittleLion jumped on this and complained that he had never said anything about this before, then proceeded to write all of the standard conspiracy claims about this made by the usual suspects, without even addressing any scientific evidence as to whether GMO seeds are unhealthy or not.

you said

I don't really trust anyone who's trying to sell me something, like vaccines. Anything that comes from the government is instantly suspect, since they are all about money and power. Chemicals scare me.

I think that a healthy skepticism is a good thing and you should guide your life accordingly. I'm not sure from what you wrote what your beliefs about the various conspiracies are, but I would suggest that you be equally skeptical of the claims of the conspiracy theorists as you are of the government!

Regards,

George Clay

[Thomas]

As for GMOs, solid reasoning tells me, if you alter a food plant to be inedible to pests, it is probably inedible for humans as well.

There is a reason the bugs wont eat that garbage.