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Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 12:03 am
by JohnnyL
Are secret combinations alive?

Is there a plan to destroy America and freedom all over the world?
Who is in charge of that plan?

Now, does THE secret combination exist?

Did it really ever exist with Cain? In the Book of Mormon, among the Jaredites and the Nephites?

Who benefits from all the black ops, false flag events, etc.?

How do we ignore all the quotes and stories, from church leaders, ?

It seems there are still many members, even on this board, who are unbelievers (no, not trying to make this a religion) that there is such a thing as THE secret combination, and that these things are pretty much irrelevant for our day. Governments are trying to help us and is looking out for our good, government agencies (CIA, FBI, FDA, etc.) are trying to help us, child services is trying to help us, doctors are trying to help us, etc. And maybe once in a while, a bad egg makes all the good guys look bad. Conspiracies are the Mafia, communism (which is dead), gangs, etc. And yes, a few people are individual psychopaths and sociopaths that want money and power."

Are secret combinations relevant, and what's the "big picture"?

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 12:38 am
by Ruth
Are secret combinations relevant, and what's the "big picture"?
Oh hell yes there are secret combinations. Dark motives to gain power, prestige, and wealth.

The big picture is Lucifer's plan versus Jesus Christ's plan.
Lucifer's plan: Distraction. Darkness. Everything Lucifer does is to distract you from gaining a connection with the Holy Spirit. He will try to break you, to sever your connection with your true self which connects to God. To fill you with fear, hate, contention. He doesn't have to get you to agree to his plan, just to disagree with what is the Lord's. If he can keep you distracted long enough arguing about what is true, should we wear white shirts/jacket/ties to church, what does this verse in the scripture mean, what actually happened with the early saints 200+ years ago.... then he's won. You may be right, but you've lost because you didn't find "See His face and Know that He is."

Jesus Christ's plan: To call you to reconnect with Him, the "living vine".

Pretty much all of D&C 93, but these few jump out at me.
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;
2 And that I am the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world;
3 And that I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one—
4 The Father because he gave me of his fulness, and the Son because I was in the world and made flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men.
5 I was in the world and received of my Father, and the works of him were plainly manifest.
....
36 The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.
If the great war in heaven was fought over the Glory of God, and WE are His glory, which is intelligence or Light and Truth, then Lucifer's great cunning will be to fill us with darkness and lies to confuse. It doesn't really matter what kind of lies and darkness; whether from a well-meaning parent, bishop, gospel doctrine teacher, or the leader of the state who is thoroughly engrossed in the occult with blood on his hands the end result will be the same.

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 1:21 am
by a_member
If I may reveal my biases, I'd say pretty much every MLM scheme (scam, IMO) is a secret combination. I'd lump in most gangs (of all kinds, including the mafia), shady ALEC-like organizations, and a whole host of others. I'm pretty sure most of the payday lending "industry" also falls under this moniker. Anyways, that's just my take on it.

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 4:37 am
by JohnnyL
a_member wrote:If I may reveal my biases, I'd say pretty much every MLM scheme (scam, IMO) is a secret combination. I'd lump in most gangs (of all kinds, including the mafia), shady ALEC-like organizations, and a whole host of others. I'm pretty sure most of the payday lending "industry" also falls under this moniker. Anyways, that's just my take on it.
I agree--there are many SC and conspiracies. But what about Cain's, especially now? Has he found someone in our times to lead his secret combination?

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 8:10 am
by Rose Garden
Ruth wrote:
Are secret combinations relevant, and what's the "big picture"?
Oh hell yes there are secret combinations. Dark motives to gain power, prestige, and wealth.

The big picture is Lucifer's plan versus Jesus Christ's plan.
Lucifer's plan: Distraction. Darkness. Everything Lucifer does is to distract you from gaining a connection with the Holy Spirit. He will try to break you, to sever your connection with your true self which connects to God. To fill you with fear, hate, contention. He doesn't have to get you to agree to his plan, just to disagree with what is the Lord's. If he can keep you distracted long enough arguing about what is true, should we wear white shirts/jacket/ties to church, what does this verse in the scripture mean, what actually happened with the early saints 200+ years ago.... then he's won. You may be right, but you've lost because you didn't find "See His face and Know that He is."

Jesus Christ's plan: To call you to reconnect with Him, the "living vine".

Pretty much all of D&C 93, but these few jump out at me.
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;
2 And that I am the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world;
3 And that I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one—
4 The Father because he gave me of his fulness, and the Son because I was in the world and made flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men.
5 I was in the world and received of my Father, and the works of him were plainly manifest.
....
36 The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth.
If the great war in heaven was fought over the Glory of God, and WE are His glory, which is intelligence or Light and Truth, then Lucifer's great cunning will be to fill us with darkness and lies to confuse. It doesn't really matter what kind of lies and darkness; whether from a well-meaning parent, bishop, gospel doctrine teacher, or the leader of the state who is thoroughly engrossed in the occult with blood on his hands the end result will be the same.
Wow! That was powerful. So true.

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 8:34 am
by SAM
Yes, I believe there is a very specific plan and organization to bring about evil in this world. There are many sub combinations, if you will, that play well into the grand scheme and may, or may not, know how they fit into that grand scheme. There are likely few privy to the whole picture though, but I imagine there are a few at the top who work directly with the devil or Cain or Master Mahan to orchestrate their plans.

Fortunately for us, Heavenly Father and Christ are still more powerful and have no intention of giving up on us, so good will still overcome evil. We just have to earnestly seek Them as Ruth so eloquently described above.

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 8:46 am
by Thomas
Sam wrote: Fortunately for us, Heavenly Father and Christ are still more powerful and have no intention of giving up on us, so good will still overcome evil. We just have to earnestly seek Them as Ruth so eloquently described above.
Fortunately for a very few would be more like it. The scriptures tell us that an evil dictator will control the entire earth and destroy all but those under the protection of God. ( See Revelation, Isaiah) This dictator will be unknowingly doing the will of God. Isaiah calls him the left hand of God.

The survivors of this will be few. Only those prepared to live with Christ, in his glory, will survive. Isaiah says, a child will be able to count them.

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 9:12 am
by mes5464
JohnnyL wrote:I agree--there are many SC and conspiracies. But what about Cain's, especially now? Has he found someone in our times to lead his secret combination?

Yes! There is a master mahan today, and he is directing Lucifer's kingdom here on earth.

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 9:15 am
by mes5464
Thomas wrote:
Sam wrote: Fortunately for us, Heavenly Father and Christ are still more powerful and have no intention of giving up on us, so good will still overcome evil. We just have to earnestly seek Them as Ruth so eloquently described above.
Fortunately for a very few would be more like it. The scriptures tell us that an evil dictator will control the entire earth and destroy all but those under the protection of God. ( See Revelation, Isaiah) This dictator will be unknowingly doing the will of God. Isaiah calls him the left hand of God.

The survivors of this will be few. Only those prepared to live with Christ, in his glory, will survive. Isaiah says, a child will be able to count them.

Thomas,

Can you give the references for the "left hand" and "child will count" scriptures? I would like to read them.

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 9:34 am
by SAM
Thomas wrote:
Sam wrote: Fortunately for us, Heavenly Father and Christ are still more powerful and have no intention of giving up on us, so good will still overcome evil. We just have to earnestly seek Them as Ruth so eloquently described above.
Fortunately for a very few would be more like it. The scriptures tell us that an evil dictator will control the entire earth and destroy all but those under the protection of God. ( See Revelation, Isaiah) This dictator will be unknowingly doing the will of God. Isaiah calls him the left hand of God.

The survivors of this will be few. Only those prepared to live with Christ, in his glory, will survive. Isaiah says, a child will be able to count them.
I don't necessarily disagree from a mortal perspective. I'm talking more in terms of eternally. No matter what Satan manages to accomplish on this world, the earth will be renewed and no longer be the telestial sphere he currently rules. Our souls are of great eternal worth to HF so He's not going to give up on us so easily and good will ultimately triumph, even if only a few at a time for each eternal round.

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 9:39 am
by creator
Yes, very relevant and important to understand. People who don't understand often say "But, __________ would never do _______!"

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 11:02 am
by Army Of Truth
JohnnyL wrote:Are secret combinations alive? Yes!

Is there a plan to destroy America and freedom all over the world? Yes, there is!
Who is in charge of that plan? Satan

Now, does THE secret combination exist? Actually, there are many that are all under the same leader, Lucifer. May I suggest you read "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" by Gary Allen, recommended by Pres Ezra Taft Benson in the 1972 Gen Conf. Some secret combinations that are ultimately trying to create a "new world order" are the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergs, the Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, PNAC, etc. If you research these groups you will see their ultimate goals are to take control away from We The People and our Constitution and put it into the hands of corporations/United Nations/world governmental authorities, etc. Here is a link:
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Did it really ever exist with Cain? In the Book of Mormon, among the Jaredites and the Nephites? Yes, Satan exists.

Who benefits from all the black ops, false flag events, etc.? Big governments, police state, military industrial complex, etc. If you notice every time there is a false flag event, new policies/laws/legislation always follows that give government more power and control, and give We The People less rights and less power. This is basically how they shred our Constitution that was set up by men raised by God to create a free people.

How do we ignore all the quotes and stories, from church leaders, ? Good point, we shouldn't! Here are a few we should remember:
"The ancient Prophet Moroni saw our day, who can doubt that he had in mind the evils of godless communism when he gave this solemn warning: "Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you... Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when you shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. . . For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies. . ." (Ezra Taft Benson, quoting from Ether 8:23-25,Conference Report Oct 1960)

After quoting Ether 8:23-25 [see the quote above], Ezra Taft Benson then said, "Today, the international, criminal, communist conspiracy fits this Book of Mormon description perfectly, for there is a combination of gangsters who lust for power, who have liquidated some 70 million [today the estimate ranges as high as 200 million] people, brought one-third of the world's population under bondage, and who seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations. . ." (Ezra Taft Benson, The Book Of Mormon Warns America, speech given at BYU, May 21, 1968 and as quoted in An Enemy Hath Done This, Chapter 29, pg. 328)

■Satan has control now and is guiding the governments of the world

“Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, confusion all over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the President of the United States…it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan himself.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, pp. 314-315)

■Socialism-communism is a conspiracy

“…we should accept the command of the Lord and treat socialistic communism as the tool of Satan. We should follow the counsel of the President of the Church and resist the influence and policies of the socialist-communist conspiracy wherever they are found–in the schools, in the churches, in governments, in unions, in businesses, in agriculture.” (Ezra Taft Benson, Conference, October 1961)

■A vast, worldwide secret combination to seek to overthrow all lands

“Concerning the United States, the Lord revealed to his prophets that its greatest threat would be a vast, worldwide ‘secret combination’ which would not only threaten the United States but also seek to ‘overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations…’(Ether 8:25)” (Ezra Taft Benson, Conference, October 1961)


It seems there are still many members, even on this board, who are unbelievers (no, not trying to make this a religion) that there is such a thing as THE secret combination, and that these things are pretty much irrelevant for our day. Governments are trying to help us and is looking out for our good, government agencies (CIA, FBI, FDA, etc.) are trying to help us, child services is trying to help us, doctors are trying to help us, etc. And maybe once in a while, a bad egg makes all the good guys look bad. Conspiracies are the Mafia, communism (which is dead), gangs, etc. And yes, a few people are individual psychopaths and sociopaths that want money and power."

Are secret combinations relevant, and what's the "big picture"? They are very relevant and are actually in our own government now. Remember the gadiantons in the Book of Mormon? How did they gain power? They infiltrated the Nephite government, then changed their laws according to their own desires. Do we see unconstitutional laws being passed in our government? Every day...every day. :(

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 11:27 am
by lundbaek
In the Church General Conference of October 1988 the Prophet stated: "I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society. It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world." Please note that in the last sentence President Benson said that "A SECRET COMBINATION seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world". That tells me that there is a single conspiracy, probably among others with similar goals, that is acquiring control over America and other countries as well.

In addition to what other Church General Authorities have said about it, Moroni saw and warned us of "murderous combinations" "which are built up to get power and gain -". It seems that the task of identifying them is left to us, although we are given plenty of clues as to what to look for as we strive to identify them. I would not expect the Prophet nor any Church authority to identify them for us. That would bring swift retribution that the Lord perhaps does not want to deal with at this time. Yet we are told "...suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain...". So I perceive a responsibility that we have to do what we can to identify them and oppose them.

I note that many Church members think that because the Prophet is not talking about these things that they are free from any obligation to identify and oppose them. And many think that the Lord will somehow compensate for their lack of effort to identify and oppose them it they are doing everything else right that we are commanded to do.

IMO, Latter-day Saints generally have neglected three commandments, the neglect of which has contributed to our present "awful situation" They/We have neglected to learn the principles of the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, as both President McKay and President Benson counseled us. They/We have not awakened adequately to our "awful situation" and instead have suffered those murderous combinations to get above us. And They/We have neglected the commandment that President Uchtdorf reminded us of a few years ago in a General Conference to become educated on the things spelled out in D&C 88:79, which I happen to believe applies to us in our day. I think a reasonable study of those things would help us figure out as least some of the activities of the "murderous combination" we have been warned about.

I am no historian by any means, but I perceive the hands of one or more secret combinations in the following:
Getting the United States into WW1
Getting the United States into WW2
The development of the USSR/Russia as a superpower
The spread of communism into many countries
The conduct of the Korean War
The communist takeover of Cuba and the Bay of Pigs disaster
The conduct of the Vietnam War
The proliferation of drugs and drug use in America and other countries
The OKC bombing
911
The illegal immigration into America
I'm sure some of you could make additions to this list

Re: Is There a Plan, or Not??

Posted: February 17th, 2015, 8:13 pm
by Thomas
mes5464 wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Sam wrote: Fortunately for us, Heavenly Father and Christ are still more powerful and have no intention of giving up on us, so good will still overcome evil. We just have to earnestly seek Them as Ruth so eloquently described above.
Fortunately for a very few would be more like it. The scriptures tell us that an evil dictator will control the entire earth and destroy all but those under the protection of God. ( See Revelation, Isaiah) This dictator will be unknowingly doing the will of God. Isaiah calls him the left hand of God.

The survivors of this will be few. Only those prepared to live with Christ, in his glory, will survive. Isaiah says, a child will be able to count them.

Thomas,

Can you give the references for the "left hand" and "child will count" scriptures? I would like to read them.

Isaiah 10:

17 the Light of Israel will be the fire
and their Holy One the flame,
and it shall burn up and devour
his briars and thorns in a single day.

18 His choice forests and productive fields
it will consume, both life and substance,

turning them into a rotting morass.

19 And the trees left of his forest shall be so few,
a child could record them.



20 In that day those who survive of Israel
and who escape of the house of Jacob
will no longer rely on him who struck them,
but will truly rely on Jehovah,

the Holy One of Israel:

21 of Jacob a remnant will return
to the One Mighty in Valor.

For though your people, O Israel,
be as the sands of the sea,

only a remnant will return;
although annihilation is decreed,
it shall overflow with righteousness.

23 For the Lord, Jehovah of Hosts,
will carry out the utter destruction

decreed upon the whole earth.
6. Isaiah Uses Metaphors as Aliases of Important End-Time Persons

I sat spellbound as a rabbi taught that the clean animals Isaiah mentions allude to God’s people Israel and the unclean to Gentiles. This gave new meaning to the ox and the @#$ and the millennial idea of harmony between the lamb and the lion. Although I don’t recall much of what the rabbi taught, he planted a seed that bore good fruit. Later, I discovered a network of synonymous parallel lines in the Book of Isaiah that figuratively depict one thing to mean another. A single verse could have multiple meanings: trees could represent people, forests represent cities, mountains represent nations, and so forth. Key end-time persons, I found, personified God’s attributes, such as righteousness and light, on the one hand, and anger and wrath, on the other.
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Isaiah knows that God’s people have never before returned out of bondage from the four parts of the earth. Nor have they overthrown a world superpower like Assyria. Isaiah can predict those very things, however, within the context of Israel’s past. He has seen, for example, that events before Jehovah’s coming will involve two principal human actors: (1) a tyrannical king of Assyria—a destroyer; and (2) God’s servant and son—a deliverer. Whenever necessary, therefore, Isaiah can refer to these persons by means of aliases. Terms such as ensign, hand, rod, staff, mouth, voice, fire, and sword designate either individual, depending on the context. Each personifies those things. Terms such as light and darkness, on the other hand, set these two opponents apart.

Ancient Near Eastern mythology provides an additional source that Isaiah draws on. In the Ugaritic myth of Baal and Anath, for example, the terms Sea and River describe a god of chaos, an enemy Baal must conquer. These terms, therefore, suit Isaiah’s purpose as aliases of the king of Assyria. God’s raising his staff over the Sea and his hand over the River, for example, signifies a victory by God’s end-time servant and son (his staff and hand) over the king Assyria (Sea/River). Personifying God’s anger and wrath, this evil ruler acts as a rod and staff to punish the wicked. In the end, however, God’s servant and son—his righteous rod and staff—breaks him. The key to these identities appears in the paralleled lines that establish these terms’ dual meanings.
5 Hail the Assyrian, the rod of my anger!
He is a staff—my wrath in their hand.a

6 I will commission him against a godless nation,
appoint him over the people

deserving of my vengeance,
to pillage for plunder, to spoliate for spoil,
to tread underfoot like mud in the streets.

Jehovah’s rod, staff, anger, wrath, vengeance, and (left) hand of punishment all designate the king of Assyria/Babylon (v 15; Isaiah 5:25; 13:9). Jehovah sends him against the “godless nation” of his own people in their unrepentant state and against the nations of the world (Isaiah 13:4-6; 37:24-27). The archtyrant fulfills Isaiah’s prediction inherent in the name of his son Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz (“Hasten the Plunder, Hurry the Spoil”) (Isaiah 8:1-4; cf. 10:13-14; 13:16; 28:2-4; 42:22, 24). He reduces the wicked to “mud,” a chaos motif, signifying their return to an elemental state—to nonentities.
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