Is blackmail ok?

[Daryl]

Is it ever ok to threaten people with blackmail? Like, "I will tell on you unless you do what I want you to do." Like "Unless you perform for me, I will make your life hell." Or like, "If you don't live up to what I want from you, I will embarress, humiliate, paint in the wost light, and spread nasty rumors about you." Is any of that ok?

What if a person is known for doing that to multiple people. What if this goes on and on in such a manner? What can be done about it?

[Bee Prepared]

Is it ever ok to threaten people with blackmail? Like, "I will tell on you unless you do what I want you to do." Like "Unless you perform for me, I will make your life hell." Or like, "If you don't live up to what I want from you, I will embarress, humiliate, paint in the wost light, and spread nasty rumors about you." Is any of that ok?

What if a person is known for doing that to multiple people. What if this goes on and on in such a manner? What can be done about it?

You have to ask if it's ok?
I believe there is an underlying agenda to this topic.

Uncertainty

By showing that you are not certain about what you are describing then you cast everything said into doubt. This also lets you off the hook for being responsible for an absolute definition.

Vague

Vagueness can also be deliberately used to provoke conversation as it effectively requires the other person to ask for clarification.

Omission

A way of being vague is to leave out details of who, what, when, how much, and so on.

[KMCopeland]

No.

[Rose Garden]

You're talking to people who for the most part believe that it was okay for Nephi to kill Laban and Abraham to almost kill his own son. Oh, wait, we are talking about real life. Not the scriptures. In that case, either you believe it or you don't.

If you believe, then yes, it could be okay at times and the only way you could really know is if you asked the Lord.

As for the question of what to do about it, it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are talking about someone who is blackmailing several people and want to try to stop them from doing it to everybody, I do not think there is any way without putting everyone at risk who is being threatened. But there is certainly something you can do about your personal threat of blackmail and that is to learn to trust the Lord enough to be unfearful about facing any situation they might cause for you.

I have found that though there are a great number of people who are willing to separate themselves from me because of the unpleasant things being said about me, this situation can actually be used to my benefit. Those who have remained loving toward me are those who have withheld judgment. Those who believe me only do so because they have been led by the Spirit to do so. In my degrading condition, I have found that I only attract the most stalwart spirits. From the ashes of destruction have come the most beautiful things. There is really nothing to be afraid of.

[FSM]

No never

[Fiannan]

Why do you think the surveillance state records everyone's love letters to their wife, husband and mistress, what porn sites you visit as well as what you may write in anger on a fringe web page?

Just how many "pro-family" evangelical ministers have a boy toy on the side, and that goes for senators and congressmen as well. I have also heard that many high profile men and women visit establishments into the whole "50 Shades" variety of fun.

It used to be that the CIA used sex as a weapon in regards to catching Russians and others in compromising positions. You think that ever ended? Come on, this is still a practice and is used domestically as well.

[Rose Garden]

Good point, Fiannan. Also, these verses come to mind:

Everything that is secret will be brought out into the open. Everything that is hidden will be uncovered. What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight. What you have whispered to someone behind closed doors will be shouted from the rooftops.

If you have any secrets, now is the time to come to terms with them.

Much of that chapter is quite applicable to this subject as well. Luke 12.

[JohnnyL]

You're talking to people who for the most part believe that it was okay for Nephi to kill Laban and Abraham to almost kill his own son. Oh, wait, we are talking about real life. Not the scriptures. In that case, either you believe it or you don't.

If you believe, then yes, it could be okay at times and the only way you could really know is if you asked the Lord.

Because the BoM and Bible are fake, not real life? :-\

Show me the connection between your 1st paragraph and anything else, please.

[Ruth]

Is it ever ok to threaten people with blackmail?

D&C 10:25

25 Yea, he saith unto them: Deceive and lie in wait to catch, that ye may destroy; behold, this is no harm. And thus he flattereth them, and telleth them that it is no sin to lie that they may catch a man in a lie, that they may destroy him.

26 And thus he flattereth them, and leadeth them along until he draggeth their souls down to hell; and thus he causeth them to catch themselves in their own snare.

27 And thus he goeth up and down, to and fro in the earth, seeking to destroy the souls of men.

28 Verily, verily, I say unto you, wo be unto him that lieth to deceive because he supposeth that another lieth to deceive, for such are not exempt from the justice of God.[/quote]

Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

I'm pretty sure these verses answer that question.

What if a person is known for doing that to multiple people. What if this goes on and on in such a manner? What can be done about it?

1 Corinthians 5

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I really liked those videos that Toni posted. I'd say this one goes really well with this question.

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[Rose Garden]

You're talking to people who for the most part believe that it was okay for Nephi to kill Laban and Abraham to almost kill his own son. Oh, wait, we are talking about real life. Not the scriptures. In that case, either you believe it or you don't.

If you believe, then yes, it could be okay at times and the only way you could really know is if you asked the Lord.

Because the BoM and Bible are fake, not real life? :-\

Show me the connection between your 1st paragraph and anything else, please.

My bad. A bit of a personal agenda coming out here. Let me connect the dots.

People don't apply the scriptures to themselves. So they read the scriptures, say it was fine for Nephi and Abraham to kill, fine for Nephi to go on to deceive Zoram into getting him the brass plates, but they won't bring the lesson home. They won't open their eyes to the fact that Jesus was not a popular person and was terribly offensive to those who held high positions. There are many on this site who like to point the finger at certain people sitting in certain red velvet high seats, but don't see that they themselves occupy a high position that they are just as zealously defending. They themselves are ashamed of what others might discover about them. The scriptures remain as bedtime stories to them, not real life.

So if you believe the scriptures, then you ought to look at those you think are doing wrong and open your mind to the possibility that they are really being led by the Lord. You ought to consider the possibility that those who are thorns in your side are placed there to wake you up to the pride and blindness that remain in your heart. Even Peter, Christ's right-hand man, was quite the fool even at the time he was walking on water.

To apply it specifically to the topic of blackmail, why put a box around blackmailing? If you believe that murder and deception can have their place in righteousness, then how can you say something as relatively mild as blackmailing is always going to be a bad thing. Of course, some people do not accept that Nephi's actions were righteous, so for them, it's a whole different story.

Does that clear things up?

To add a bit to the topic, Ruth has posted scriptures suggesting that blackmailers ought to be cast out. But that is really no answer to the problem. Casting out a blackmailer is a great way to prompt them to act in retaliation. There can only be one answer and that is to stop being afraid of whatever the blackmailer can hurt you with.

Unless he has changed it in the last day or so, Daryl's signature contains a quote from Denver telling people to go toward the fight, not run away from it. That is the answer. Face the problem head on. Clear up any situation in your life that would destroy you if it were publicly known. Then no one will have any power over you. At least not the power of fear.

[Ruth]

There can only be one answer and that is to stop being afraid of whatever the blackmailer can hurt you with.

Unless he has changed it in the last day or so, Daryl's signature contains a quote from Denver telling people to go toward the fight, not run away from it. That is the answer. Face the problem head on. Clear up any situation in your life that would destroy you if it were publicly known. Then no one will have any power over you. At least not the power of fear.

If you mean this verse: " D&C 1:2

For verily the voice of the Lord is unto all men, and there is none to escape; and there is no eye that shall not see, neither ear that shall not hear, neither heart that shall not be penetrated.

3 And the rebellious shall be pierced with much sorrow; for their iniquities shall be spoken upon the housetops, and their secret acts shall be revealed.

4 And the voice of warning shall be unto all people, by the mouths of my disciples, whom I have chosen in these last days."

This is the Lord through the mouths of his disciples who are shouting the iniquities and secret acts from the housetops. If there is someone who is threatening to reveal another's secrets unless ....., then that is no disciple (of God's) nor is it a person who should be tolerated. They cannot be trusted as they are laying traps and could just as easily threaten to reveal false accusations as easily as true ones. True, casting them out will cause them to lash out, but still doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't be among you and worship among you.

True, you should not fear any man and should not have secrets, but that's between you and God to work out. I would not tolerate someone who tries to compel me to do something I don't want to do. That's God's job. ;)

Proverbs 20:19 He that goeth about as a talebearer revealeth secrets: therefore meddle not with him that flattereth with his lips.

[Rose Garden]

Generally speaking, I agree with what you are saying, Ruth. If you want to speak of the condition of the blackmailer, then I think you are correct.

But the question was, what can be done about it? Kicking out a blackmailer will not fix the problem because the problem is the fear in the heart of the person being blackmailed. If you throw out that blackmailer, another one will be able to take his place. See what I mean? You only fix the problem for yourself by fixing the key issue.

The woman with an abusive husband must learn not to be afraid because otherwise, if she just kicks her husband out, she will just end up with another abusive husband down the road. The employer who can't handle his employees must learn leadership skills because if he simply fires his problem employees, he will just end up with more problem employees later on. The American people keep trying to fix their political system by electing new people, only to find that they are putting the same caliber of people in every single time. You got to go to the heart of the matter if you are going to fix the problem. It's a universal principle.

I recall a situation that applies to this topic. My husband once told me that he would stop giving me money if I continued to attend a non-LDS church with my friend. You know, money for food and other unimportant things like that. We were in Korea and I had absolutely no other resources to turn to for help. In desperation I told him, "I'm going to tell everyone about this!" and immediately he assured me that I had misunderstood what he was saying and no more threats to remove our support were extended. I think we could both be accused of blackmail in that case, but I would say my cause was just, wouldn't you?

The important thing for me to realize was, I was not going to do what he asked because I was afraid. It didn't even occur to me that I might actually do what he asked--even to avoid something as serious as me and the kids going without food. That just wasn't an option that entered my mind. And so in the end, I was able to resolve the situation with my dignity intact.

Everything we face is ultimately spiritual. Barring a blackmailer from your association is a physical answer to the situation. It is temporal. If you want the eternal answer, you need to look to the spiritual answer.

[bbrown]

One thing that jumped out at me reading this thread: I find it odd to suggest that because there are a few rare exceptions, then there must be no rule. (Nephi did it, etc) We shouldn't look to be exceptions or ever expect to be exempt from the Laws of God. True, we cannot decide we are the judge of others, but we are given "by their fruits ye may know them." If I see repeated fruits of threats, blackmail, etc, then I know I should distance myself from such an one. Those who are the exception to the rule never wish to be in that circumstance and generally detest having to be so. They wouldn't revel in their threatenings, rejoice at having to try to sacrifice their son and heir, or at having to kill Laban...they pray to God repeatedly pleading not to have to do those things. And they don't turn around afterwards and say it's okay for others to do it (or for them to do it again) because God once required it of them. So that pattern of behavior (doing that over and over) says it being righteousness is highly suspect.

CB

[freedomforall]

Nephi never did threaten Laban with anything or use blackmail. Laban was drunker than a skunk when Nephi came upon him. Then the Lord told Nephi that Laban was in Nephi's hands and to decapitate him. The death of one wicked man can saves many lives of the righteous.


Abraham on the other hand, was asked by the Lord to sacrifice his son as a test of loyalty. Again, no blackmail.

Did Moroni use blackmail on the government of his day due to anger inside because he was not getting subsistence? He threatened total annihilation if the government didn't get off their duffs and send supplies, even stating they were a bunch of people in a thoughtless stupor.

Alma 60:7,27,29
7 Can you think to sit upon your thrones in a state of thoughtless stupor, while your enemies are spreading the work of death around you? Yea, while they are murdering thousands of your brethren—
27 And I will come unto you, and if there be any among you that has a desire for freedom, yea, if there be even a spark of freedom remaining, behold I will stir up insurrections among you, even until those who have desires to usurp power and authority shall become extinct.
29 Behold it is time, yea, the time is now at hand, that except ye do bestir yourselves in the defence of your country and your little ones, the sword of justice doth hang over you; yea, and it shall fall upon you and visit you even to your utter destruction.

God has actually threatened man with destruction and actually followed through with it. I don't call it blackmail, rather, justice...because He is not a respecter of persons whereas the wicked have no place in His home, unless they fully repent...that is.

[JohnnyL]

Those who are the exception to the rule never wish to be in that circumstance and generally detest having to be so. They wouldn't revel in their threatenings, rejoice at having to try to sacrifice their son and heir, or at having to kill Laban...they pray to God repeatedly pleading not to have to do those things. And they don't turn around afterwards and say it's okay for others to do it (or for them to do it again) because God once required it of them.

Good! IMO, this is SO important to remember. Keys to the principle of exceptions...

[JohnnyL]

The woman with an abusive husband must learn not to be afraid because otherwise, if she just kicks her husband out, she will just end up with another abusive husband down the road. The employer who can't handle his employees must learn leadership skills because if he simply fires his problem employees, he will just end up with more problem employees later on. The American people keep trying to fix their political system by electing new people, only to find that they are putting the same caliber of people in every single time. You got to go to the heart of the matter if you are going to fix the problem. It's a universal principle.

Nice! So true--problems don't go away when we get rid of an apparent "symptom" by changing definitions or situations. It might be helpful or necessary or times, or a step, but it going to the heart of the matter is good. Sometimes we just need to love ourselves as we nevertheless strive to overcome our weaknesses. :ymhug:

[Rose Garden]

One thing that jumped out at me reading this thread: I find it odd to suggest that because there are a few rare exceptions, then there must be no rule. (Nephi did it, etc) We shouldn't look to be exceptions or ever expect to be exempt from the Laws of God. True, we cannot decide we are the judge of others, but we are given "by their fruits ye may know them." If I see repeated fruits of threats, blackmail, etc, then I know I should distance myself from such an one. Those who are the exception to the rule never wish to be in that circumstance and generally detest having to be so. They wouldn't revel in their threatenings, rejoice at having to try to sacrifice their son and heir, or at having to kill Laban...they pray to God repeatedly pleading not to have to do those things. And they don't turn around afterwards and say it's okay for others to do it (or for them to do it again) because God once required it of them. So that pattern of behavior (doing that over and over) says it being righteousness is highly suspect.

CB

I'm not sure anyone suggested that. The initial question in the body of the OP is "Is it ever ok . . ." to which I went off with my usual half-cocked answer to that sort of question.

Is it ok? Usually not. Is it ever ok? Just about everything is ok in some situations.

[Rose Garden]

Nephi never did threaten Laban with anything or use blackmail. Laban was drunker than a skunk when Nephi came upon him. Then the Lord told Nephi that Laban was in Nephi's hands and to decapitate him. The death of one wicked man can saves many lives of the righteous.


Abraham on the other hand, was asked by the Lord to sacrifice his son as a test of loyalty. Again, no blackmail.

Did Moroni use blackmail on the government of his day due to anger inside because he was not getting subsistence? He threatened total annihilation if the government didn't get off their duffs and send supplies, even stating they were a bunch of people in a thoughtless stupor.

Alma 60:7,27,29
7 Can you think to sit upon your thrones in a state of thoughtless stupor, while your enemies are spreading the work of death around you? Yea, while they are murdering thousands of your brethren—
27 And I will come unto you, and if there be any among you that has a desire for freedom, yea, if there be even a spark of freedom remaining, behold I will stir up insurrections among you, even until those who have desires to usurp power and authority shall become extinct.
29 Behold it is time, yea, the time is now at hand, that except ye do bestir yourselves in the defence of your country and your little ones, the sword of justice doth hang over you; yea, and it shall fall upon you and visit you even to your utter destruction.

God has actually threatened man with destruction and actually followed through with it. I don't call it blackmail, rather, justice...because He is not a respecter of persons whereas the wicked have no place in His home, unless they fully repent...that is.

Good point, ffa. And there are some who see God as more of a blackmailer than a God of justice, eh?

[freedomforall]

Nephi never did threaten Laban with anything or use blackmail. Laban was drunker than a skunk when Nephi came upon him. Then the Lord told Nephi that Laban was in Nephi's hands and to decapitate him. The death of one wicked man can saves many lives of the righteous.


Abraham on the other hand, was asked by the Lord to sacrifice his son as a test of loyalty. Again, no blackmail.

Did Moroni use blackmail on the government of his day due to anger inside because he was not getting subsistence? He threatened total annihilation if the government didn't get off their duffs and send supplies, even stating they were a bunch of people in a thoughtless stupor.

Alma 60:7,27,29
7 Can you think to sit upon your thrones in a state of thoughtless stupor, while your enemies are spreading the work of death around you? Yea, while they are murdering thousands of your brethren—
27 And I will come unto you, and if there be any among you that has a desire for freedom, yea, if there be even a spark of freedom remaining, behold I will stir up insurrections among you, even until those who have desires to usurp power and authority shall become extinct.
29 Behold it is time, yea, the time is now at hand, that except ye do bestir yourselves in the defence of your country and your little ones, the sword of justice doth hang over you; yea, and it shall fall upon you and visit you even to your utter destruction.

God has actually threatened man with destruction and actually followed through with it. I don't call it blackmail, rather, justice...because He is not a respecter of persons whereas the wicked have no place in His home, unless they fully repent...that is.

Good point, ffa. And there are some who see God as more of a blackmailer than a God of justice, eh?

Some people's idea of blackmail is waaaay out there. Blackmail is nothing more than a form of coercion is it not? God merely lays out the rules, we choose to either adhere to them or get left out in the cold. God presents both blessings and/or consequences for our choices.
Maybe some people think that God uses blackmail to get people to shape up or get squashed like a bug. Afterall, we read in scripture where whole civilizations have been swept off the face of the earth after God gave several warnings.
But for us to use blackmail (threats and intimidation) is not Christlike because we are already a fallen people and must repent and become sons and daughters of Christ to have any hope of anything above the Telestial kingdom. Somehow, blackmail doesn't correlate with charity, compassion, or being clean and pure nor having virtue garnish our thoughts. It's in the book.

[Daryl]

Blackmail is nothing more than a form of coercion is it not? God merely lays out the rules, we choose to either adhere to them or get left out in the cold.

Profound. Thank you.

[Gad]

Seems like anyone that claims to be believer that would use blackmail as coercion would "38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God."

I find it so interesting that this verse states that you can be left to yourself and be fighting against God before you are even aware of it.

[FoxMammaWisdom]

Isn't D&C 121 pretty clear on this?

[Rose Garden]

Isn't D&C 121 pretty clear on this?

I think so. Especially if you begin at the beginning of the chapter and put the whole thing into context. There was Joseph, in circumstances more horrendous than I can comprehend, crying to the Lord not for himself, but for his people collectively. And why? Because there were people willing to use force to make their point. Joseph was absolutely helpless in the hands of his captors with no other recourse than to cry to the Lord.

O God, where art thou? And where is the pavilion that covereth thy hiding place? How long shall thy hand be stayed, and thine eye, yea thy pure eye, behold from the eternal heavens the wrongs of thy people and of thy servants, and thine ear be penetrated with their cries?

His only consolation would be in believing the promises of the Lord.

My son, peace be unto thy soul; thine adversity and thine afflictions shall be but a small moment; And then, if thou endure it well, God shall exalt thee on high; thou shalt triumph over all thy foes.

The Lord does not neglect to tell Joseph that his enemies will be destroyed eventually . . .

Wo unto them; because they have offended my little ones they shall be severed from the ordinances of mine house. Their basket shall not be full, their houses and their barns shall perish, and they themselves shall be despised by those that flattered them. They shall not have right to the priesthood, nor their posterity after them from generation to generation. It had been better for them that a millstone had been hanged about their necks, and they drowned in the depth of the sea.

But he doesn't offer any hope of immediate relief.

A time to come in the which nothing shall be withheld, whether there be one God or many gods, they shall be manifest. . . . All the times of their revolutions, all the appointed days, months, and years, and all the days of their days, months, and years, and all their glories, laws, and set times, shall be revealed in the days of the dispensation of the fulness of times—According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.

What comfort, eh? No worries, Joseph. Yes, you'll be stuck there suffering unthinkable physical and spiritual horrors for some time to come but some day, no time in the near future, mind you, all your enemies are going to suffer even worse and you'll get some awesome reward. It will be a relatively small moment then, even though right now it seems all encompassing. Talk about long-suffering.

How could Joseph endure? What power had he to call on? Could he cast these evil men out of his association? He couldn't even get a fair court date. There was no one but the Lord for Joseph to call on and here the Lord is telling him, that he's got to wait. Don't Joseph's cries tell you he has already endured more than he can bear?

Hey, guess what Joseph? You get to keep enduring all this crap. You keep getting to hear stories about your loved ones being raped and murdered. You get to stay here in this stinking dungeon under the control of the men who would gleefully rape and murder your loved ones and you get to contemplate some distant future paradise that will be available to you. Just don't expect it any time soon.

And in that context, the great principles of leadership are revealed:

Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen? Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man. Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion. Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy; That he may know that thy faithfulness is stronger than the cords of death.

Let thy bowels also be full of charity towards all men, and to the household of faith, and let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly; then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven. The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, and thy scepter an unchanging scepter of righteousness and truth; and thy dominion shall be an everlasting dominion, and without compulsory means it shall flow unto thee forever and ever.

Wow. Joseph knows what unrighteous dominion is, doesn't he? We're not talking about threats that are going to hurt his feelings and make him feel all embarrassed and humiliated. That too, but mostly we are talking about people who think they have the right to take another's physical life. Talk about blackmail. Do what I say or I am going to ravage your wife, throw her and your children out of their home in the middle of winter, and possibly even kill you, among other things.

And guess what, Joseph, while you are suffering all these things at their hands, I'm telling you that you have no priesthood power at all if you think you'll be justified in doing those things yourself. Nope. You get to practice long-suffering. (Haven't quite got it yet, have you?) You need to be kind and show love-unfeigned. You should only reprove others if you are moved upon by the spirit to do so and you are supposed to do it in a way that leads them to believe that your faithfulness to them are stronger than the bands of death. Double wow.

Power. Joseph sat there striped of any semblance of earthly power, listening to the Lord tell him he wouldn't be receiving any relief any time soon, and was taught the principles of true power.

What things of the world and honors of men are keeping you from true power?
What depth of humility are you willing to endure in order to learn?
What earthly dungeon do you need to be thrown into in order to understand the powers of heaven?
Enduring a little blackmail not doing if for ya? I'm sure the Lord could arrange for something a little more instructive.

And since we are talking about blackmail:
What sins are you undertaking to cover?
What vain ambition are you seeking to obtain?
What do you have yet that you are not willing to place in the hands of the Lord and allow him to strip from you, if it be his will?

[ChristisRisen]

No Daryl. Blackmail is not ok. It is a form of coercion and the person doing it is exercising unrighteous dominion in order to coerce. It's evil. A true disciple of Christ would never threaten such things to control someone.

Christ does not want us in bondage. He wants us free in the light and the truth. The truth shall set us free and He has said that He is the way, the truth and the life. He is the one who sets us free. :ymhug:

[freedomforall]

No Daryl. Blackmail is not ok. It is a form of coercion and the person doing it is exercising unrighteous dominion in order to coerce. It's evil. A true disciple of Christ would never threaten such things to control someone.

Christ does not want us in bondage. He wants us free in the light and the truth. The truth shall set us free and He has said that He is the way, the truth and the life. He is the one who sets us free. :ymhug:

Is there an echo chamber in this site?