Church on Immunizations -The Final Straw?

[lumberjacksdaughter]

I have been inactive for many years but recently am wanting to go back to church (for the right reason) and associate with the saints. But this... The church encouraging members to get vaccinated based on a statement made in 1978 before so many toxins have been added to the vaccines. Maybe I can understand no modern day warnings by church leaders about GMO foods, frankenwheat, MSG, certain sugars, etc. We should research for ourselves and decide what we want to put into our own bodies. But for church leaders to actually encourage members to get vaccinations - to actually donate millions to insure people worldwide get vaccinated (money coming from members tithing I assume). I don't understand how this could be. I am so discouraged.

http://ldsliving.com/story/78000-church ... dium=email

[SmallFarm]

I have been inactive for many years but recently am wanting to go back to church (for the right reason) and associate with the saints. But this... The church encouraging members to get vaccinated based on a statement made in 1978 before so many toxins have been added to the vaccines. Maybe I can understand no modern day warnings by church leaders about GMO foods, frankenwheat, MSG, certain sugars, etc. We should research for ourselves and decide what we want to put into our own bodies. But for church leaders to actually encourage members to get vaccinations - to actually donate millions to insure people worldwide get vaccinated (money coming from members tithing I assume). I don't understand how this could be. I am so discouraged.

http://ldsliving.com/story/78000-church ... dium=email

Hence, why so many of us warn about following the prophet... :-w

[dconrad000]

For a complete discussion of the subject of vaccinations and how it relates to the church, see the thread entitled, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country, at the following link:

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[Obrien]

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[passionflower]

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[dauser]

Ask your doctor for Kosher vaccines and prepare to pay.

Or get the state sponsored, weaponized, slow kill, population culling version.

We are all going to loose our mortal heads sooner or later..those unvaccinated my loose their heads under a state sponsored guillotine.

Better to loose your head later than sooner... to vaccines...it will make you less accountable in obedience, and our enemies, more accountable, in their disobedience.

[Fiannan]

Ask your doctor for Kosher vaccines and prepare to pay.

Or get the state sponsored, weaponized, slow kill, population culling version.

We are all going to loose our mortal heads sooner or later..those unvaccinated my loose their heads under a state sponsored guillotine.

Better to loose your head later than sooner... to vaccines...it will make you less accountable in obedience, and our enemies, more accountable, in their disobedience.

How does getting kosher make it safer? I know that if you order kosher food on an airline you get served first and the meals are generally better.

[AI2.0]

I have been inactive for many years but recently am wanting to go back to church (for the right reason) and associate with the saints. But this... The church encouraging members to get vaccinated based on a statement made in 1978 before so many toxins have been added to the vaccines. Maybe I can understand no modern day warnings by church leaders about GMO foods, frankenwheat, MSG, certain sugars, etc. We should research for ourselves and decide what we want to put into our own bodies. But for church leaders to actually encourage members to get vaccinations - to actually donate millions to insure people worldwide get vaccinated (money coming from members tithing I assume). I don't understand how this could be. I am so discouraged.

http://ldsliving.com/story/78000-church ... dium=email

Maybe because immunizations are a good idea and they've saved millions of lives. Maybe because most people don't believe in all the hype against vaccinations which is trending today. Maybe because the church deals with third world problems where vaccination means life for their populations rather than death from diseases we've eradicated in 1st world countries. I'm sorry if you are one of those people who is upset about vaccinations, but as for the rest of us, we don't have a problem with it and I'm grateful the church doesn't either.

If you don't want to vaccinate your own children that is your choice; As long as it is only a small percentage who think like you do, we'll be okay, but when the majority refuse to vaccinate, that is when we'll be in danger of seeing epidemics once again.

[dconrad000]

I recommend that the truth seeker on the subject view the presentation which follows below, from this very credible expert witness.

..from the above referenced thread:

...posted this on another thread, recently. It contains important information about polio and where you may still be able to get a dvd of neuro-specialist and brain surgeon, Russell Blaylock, MD's presentation on how vaccinations cause brain damage.

Since neuro-specialist and brain surgeon Dr Russell Blaylock's presentation has apparently been censored, I'll share from memory a salient point or two from his extremely credible and vaccine-industry-devastating presentation.

1. As is typical with all other contagious diseases in the history of the world, the population developed natural immunity which had nothing-what-so-ever to do with the vaccine. In countries where no polio vaccine was given, the mortality and morbidity rates declined at the same rate or better than in those countries where the vaccination was given. Several other sources document this, besides Dr Blaylock. Go to page 7 of the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston County:

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2. The polio epidemic was greatly accentuated by the DPT vaccine. Dr Blaylock, in his presentation revealed that he had discovered from his research of the data -- that the vast majority of those in the United States, who suffered death or permanent paralysis from contracting the polio virus, had been vaccinated with the DPT shot prior -- which impaired their immune systems and rendered them unable to adequately defend themselves against the polio virus, which for most healthy, non-immuno-compromised people is typically a very mild disease with no residual effects. This is one of the Vaccine Industry's dirty little secrets they want very much to be kept hidden. They count on people continuing to believe the myth -- that vaccinations saved them from the terrible monster, polio -- when in reality vaccinations had actually worsened the polio epidemic, which through the natural course of history died out despite the vaccines, not because of them...just as it did in countries where no polio vaccinations had been given. Of course Big Pharma and their powerful propaganda machine stepped in and claimed that they had saved us. Nothing could be further from the truth. It was actually God's marvelous creation, our bodies -- and the ingenius, incredible immune systems that God placed in our bodies -- that saved us...not Big Pharma's vaccines...and that principle is even further strengthened by diligently living the Spirit of all the verses contained in section 89.

Although the several online versions of that presentation by Russell Blaylock, M.D. appear to no longer be available, if one has an interest, I found one place that might still have some in dvd version for about $20.00, here:

http://www.radioliberty.com/vvabd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Having seen the presentation a couple of times in the past year or so, I highly recommend it for viewing if you can possibly get your hands on it.

I have no fear what-so-ever for the coming plagues that shall surely come and for which man's puny arm, including Big Pharma and their vaccines shall not stop. The great promise of the Word of Wisdom and the protective power of the Priesthood are more than good enough for me. That is where I place my trust. If others feel the need to give themselves and family members over to Big Pharma's dangerous and evil, aborted-fetal-cell (many of them) containing witch's brew, vaccines -- that is their prerogative.

Unsurprisingly, thus far, that approach has been a great health blessing to our family. None of our 5 kids have allergies or the many typical health problems that so many of their vaccinated cousins do...and believe me, there is a plague of allergies and other auto-immune disorders and neurological disorders out there, due to vaccinations...due to parents and grandparents giving into the fear and buying the myth that Big Pharma, your government, the World Health Organization, the United Nations, the eugenicist elite, the modern-day-secret-combination and their mouth-piece, the main-stream media wants you to. It should be obvious that each of those I just named, very, very much want you to vaccinate. I advocate doing just the opposite. Vaccinations are a fraud and they certainly are very, very dangerous. Sadly, I know so very, very many that have been vaccine-damaged -- permanently.

Here is the above referenced censored presentation on how vaccines cause brain damage by neuro-specialist and brain surgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D. It is extemely credible testimony from an honest and courageous expert witness. This presentation has repeatedly undergone censorship and removal in the past, so watch it while you still can. This is definitely something that every parent and grandparent should see.

To view it full screen, click this link:

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HOW VACCINES CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE
neuro-specialist and brain surgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D.

[JohnnyL]

Just so that a whole bunch of opinions do not show up here to cloud the issue, I can explain the REAL reason why the church supports vaccinations.

The church (meaning the apostles) outside of the WOW, does not consider anything to do with healthcare as coming under their callings. It is not an ecclesiastical issue to them, IOW. THEREFORE, they defer all judgements on these subjects over to what is considered by the world at large to be the experts on healthcare, and that is the current medical profession. The church actually has a board of physicians that basically, inform on all such issues, up to and including vaccinations. Now, as integrative health care becomes more common, you may see some changes in church "policy" on health care issues. I just learned that a chiropractor has recently been added to this board. So this is what is happening. OK, so I don't like it either, but this is the way it is.

This might tell you why. Not too long ago, a missionary in Colorado got sick with a virus that was going around. Apparently this caused debilitating sickness for several weeks in many cases. There was a Naturopath in the ward who treated this missionary for free, and within a day he was better. Well, since all the missionaries in the stake were sick, they all went and got this free "treatment" ( whatever it was ), after seeing how the one missionary nearly immediately recovered. Well, of course they all wrote home about it. It turns out their mothers were so upset that their kids had seen a naturopath that the letters of complaint to the church missionary dept never seemed to stop. It didn't matter that the missionaries all got well. These mothers wanted their kids protected from what they all considered an exploitive Quack.

So do you see what the church is up against? And an MD is someone who is recognized as the healthcare authority all over the world, whereas a naturopath isn't. (however unfair this may be )

Another area where the church consults with "authorities" is the business of the personal problems of its' members. Do you know how many bishops have gotten into trouble or even sued for giving personal advise to congregation members? Too many. Now, there is another board of advisers when it comes to personal counseling that the church consults with. For instance, it is very VERY naive for people to think that when President Monson, at the General Priesthood meeting a few years ago, told all the men to go home and ask their wives if any of them had need to improve and then humbly do as they were told, was speaking as a prophet. Does anyone of you remember this? Or when President Hinckley said he had a file full of letters from women who were complaining a bout their husbands, and he then told all the men to shape up? When it comes to issues like this, they simply consult with counseling professionals. They don't pray for a revelation, and the Lord comes down and says " yes, all the men are jerks, go tell them off ". They wouldn't because, once again, this is not considered an ecclesiastical problem. And you have got to realize that all family and marriage counselling is imbued with feminism these days. No wonder President Monson( and President Hinckley ) said what they did.

I know for a fact that this is true. I also know that after President Monson said what he did in the General Priesthood Meeting, he got A LOT OF FLACK for it!!!!! There were not many 70's who liked it, or Stake Presidents or High Councilmen. The general feedback was " I sacrifice my career, my time and sometimes my whole life for the church. The last thing I need is for the President of the Church to say my wife can tell me off when I (finally)get home!"

So lumberjacks daughter, don't let this stop you from getting active in church. I don't, no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes, the church is still true and I need it, and so do you. All this stuff( even vaccinations ) are just things of this world anyway. I believe in looking for the things of a better world, and I find them in church. Please do not let anything stop you from sharing in these blessings.

Pretty much true, in my experience. What DOES help is writing the apostles/ Church about it. Sometimes they don't consider things much or understand what everyone is thinking. Reminders about culture, world-wide church, fairness and balance, etc. help changes be made. And they are so busy reading MSM and listening to "experts" they don't have time for, nor experiences, outside Church. They aren't spending an hour a day researching vaccines, cancer, dalrock.wordpress.com, etc.

[dauser]

Finnan asks:

How does getting kosher make it safer? I know that if you order kosher food on an airline you get served first and the meals are generally better.

The people who own and control vaccines production.....

The people who engineer the vaccines...engineered to do exactly what they are designed to do...

The people who want YOU to take their vaccines... also read the Talmud...

These people own and control MONSANTO...they are big into genetic modification.

The Lobby that controls congress, that make the laws, that you have to take their vaccines...they eat Kosher...not GMO.

They do not want their genetics modified with own vaccines...but we are their cattle to be genetically manipulated...created to serve "the chosen" race...according to their Holy Talmud.

[JohnnyL]

Oh, and thoughtful responses can help the Church stay on track by reminding them their typical mainstream-correct decisions are alienating/ hurting people and closing people's minds to truth. I think the highest leaders are becoming more and more sensitive to this type of thing.

[dconrad000]

For additional info on this subject see the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country:

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Dr. Unloads On ‘Safe’ Vaccines
World renowned doctor reveals the true nature of the vaccine industry


http://www.infowars.com/dr-unloads-on-safe-vaccines/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;




Alex Jones welcomes Dr. Andrew Wakefield to the studio to talk about his war with vaccines.




Alex Jones and the Infowars crew break down just how dangerous vaccines really are. As the MSM continues an all out assault on freedom, it’s our job to speak out and fight back with the truth.

[AI2.0]

President Benson quoted President Harold B. Lee when he gave his famous talk; "The Fourteen fundamentals of Following the Prophet"

https://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fou ... t?lang=eng

Said President Harold B. Lee:

“You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may conflict with your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life … Your safety and ours depends upon whether or not we follow … Let’s keep our eye on the President of the Church.” (Conference Report, October 1970, p. 152–153.)

And if you think that talk is too old or is no longer important to us, here is Elder Anderson quoting it again in April 2014:

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... s?lang=eng

If you have a question about counsel from the leaders of the Church, please discuss your honest concerns with your parents and leaders. You need the strength that comes from trusting the Lord’s prophets. President Harold B. Lee said: “The only safety we have as members of this church is to … learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through His prophet. … There will be some things that take patience and faith. You may not like what comes. … It may contradict your political views … your social views … interfere with … your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord Himself, … ‘the gates of hell shall not prevail against you … and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you …’ (D&C 21:6).”16

If you are conflicted on something that the church teaches which contradicts your own views or beliefs, you might want to humbly and prayerfully reread both these talks and ponder on this. The counsel sounds to me like it is very important that we heed the Lord's anointed servants, his Prophets, in these last days.

I bolded his promise for protection if we do this; It may be more important NOW than it was in the past. I believe it is vital if we want to enjoy the Lord's guidance and protection as Satan's forces marshall against us as we prepare for the second coming.

[dconrad000]

Here are a couple of interesting quotes from the comment section following this article on the subject, that appeared at ldsliving.com, with its 80,000 subscribers. This article was the most commented upon article written in 2011. The article itself is pure propaganda, but the discussion that occurred after the article, is telling -- about the growing number of good latter-day-saints who are becoming awakened with respect to the finer points of this extremely important issue.

http://ldsliving.com/story/65437-vaccin ... prevention" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another thing about you that I find to be sad, Forukoo. You know that many of today's vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue...because you have been told so and have been given irrefutable documentation of that fact. Yet even with that knowledge now, you still claim to have a clear conscience while advocating that they be injected into us and our children, because Big Pharma says they will save us. I find that to be very telling, indeed.

Forukoo, you sound like a broken record. Not only are you doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for vaccinations. You are also doing an extremely lousy job of standing up for the Brethren on the issue, so now I feel the need to step in and defend the Brethren from your insinuations. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines has surely not been disclosed to the Brethren by the medical “experts” setting vaccine policy for the Church. The issue of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, however has now been fully disclosed to you. You have attempted to dig a pit for others, and now you have fallen in it.

[buffalo_girl]

Since the time of these statements, the Church has since shown further support of immunizations worldwide with action. in 2003, the Church began to fiscally support immunization efforts with a $3 million donation to the Measles and Rubella Initiative. This movement, which provided measles vaccinations to children in 40 different countries, was also supported by the World Health Initiative, American Red Cross, and other health-conscious organizations.

More recently, the Church has continued to work towards a worldwide goal to eliminate preventable diseases, donating approximately $1.5 million every year for immunization supplies such as vaccines and syringes.

The Church has shared more interesting statistics on its work with vaccinations between 2003 and 2012:

Approximately 60,000 Church volunteers donated time to vaccination programs
These volunteers donated a combined 766,000 service hours, including support for localized health systems that administer measles vaccines
Their efforts reached more than 100 million children and youth
The work took place in 35 countries on 6 continents

In 2012, LDS Humanitarian Services’ goals for the initiative include a commitment of $1.9 million (USD), almost half of which went to increase the percent of children who receive the free immunizations.

I sure don't see any "interesting statistics" on the correlation between vaccines and immediate and/or long-term health problems in this list of 'good works'. I guess I see this more as a 'brag list' than statistics, and I find it very disturbing!

Those of us who were given 'live polio vaccine' are ALL carrying the rogue virus SV40 which WILL cause various aggressive and largely untreatable cancers...I am dumbfounded by the description in the paper below:

"Dr. Salk then subjected the strain to passages through fourteen living monkeys and two cultures of monkey testicular cultures.[4] In 1954, the strain (now called Monk14 T2) was given to Drs. Li and Schaeffer who subjected the virus to nine more passages through monkey testicular cultures.[5] Next, the strain (now called Monk14 T11) underwent fifteen more passages in monkey testicular cultures, eighteen passages in monkey kidney cells, two passages through the skin of living rhesus monkeys, and additional passages through African Green monkey skin and monkey kidney cell cultures.[6]

How does Nazi 'science' make a person feel safe? I call this ABOMINATION.

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In 1960, Doctors Benjamin Sweet and Maurice Hilleman, the Merck scientists who named the virus SV40, published their findings:

Viruses are commonly carried by monkeys and may appear as contaminants in cell cultures of their tissues, especially the kidney . . . . The discovery of this new virus, the vacuolating agent, represents the detection for the first time of a hitherto “non-detectable” simian virus of monkey renal cultures and raises the important question of the existence of other such viruses . . . . As shown in this report, all 3 types of Sabin’s live poliovirus vaccine, now fed to millions of persons of all ages, were contaminated with vacuolating virus.[19]

The vacuolating virus was another name for SV40.

In 1962, Dr. Bernice Eddy published her findings in the journal produced by the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology. She wrote:

There is now an impressive list of oncogenic (cancer causing) viruses—the rabbit papilloma, polyoma, Rous sarcoma, the leukemia viruses . . . . It has been known for a number of years that monkeys harbor latent viruses . . . . The (SV40) virus was injected at once into 13 newborn hamsters and 10 newborn mice. Subcutaneous neoplasms indistinguishable from those induced by the rhesus monkey kidney extracts developed in 11 of the 13 hamsters between 156 and 380 days . . . .[20]

Subsequent studies performed in the early 1960s demonstrated that SV40 caused brain tumors in animals[21] and that SV40 could transform or turn cancerous normal human tissue in vitro.[22] A disturbing experiment performed during this era also suggested that SV40 could cause human cancers in man in vivo.[23] In 1964, Fred Jensen and his colleagues took tissue from patients who were terminally ill with cancer.[24] They exposed the tissue to SV40 and then after it was transformed, they implanted the tissue back into the patient.[25] These implants grew into tumors in their human hosts.[26] This suggested the possibility that SV40 could cause cancers in man.

Nothing quite like serving Mammon as a lab rat!!!

Is this REALLY the LORD's will for His children?

[buffalo_girl]

“You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may conflict with your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life … Your safety and ours depends upon whether or not we follow … Let’s keep our eye on the President of the Church.” (Conference Report, October 1970, p. 152–153.)

Vaccine damage and induced cancer will certainly interfere with one's social life.

My infant sons in the early 70's were vaccinated beginning at 3 months. Newborn infants are now vaccinated at birth when their immune systems are most vulnerable.

A nursing infant does NOT need to be vaccinated. The mother provides immunity through her milk.

Most folks don't seem to know this fact, perhaps even the Lord's Anointed missed that memo.

Since the LORD set it up that way, I fail to see why we feel compelled to override HIM.

The healthiest people I have known and presently know in this very rural community are those in their 80's, 90's, & even around 100 who were NEVER vaccinated as children. They shared childhood with many siblings, cousins & fellow students in 1-room schools and 2-bedroom sod houses. Most survived infancy WITHOUT ever being vaccinated.

It's the routinely vaccinated subsequent generations who are now dying in their 50's, 60's, & 70's with cancer or chronic diseases.

A tetanus shot every 10 years may be wise. However, I find NO wisdom in injecting aborted human fetus or monkey testicular cells into newborn infants.

[dconrad000]

Dr Blaylock, in his presentation posted above informs about a superior and safe precaution to prevent tetanus, without undergoing the risky and dangerous tetanus vaccination.

[dconrad000]

...courageous, good lady...excellent interview.


Epidemic: Vaccines Killing Vets




For additional info on the topic, see the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9764&start=240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[djinwa]

Just so that a whole bunch of opinions do not show up here to cloud the issue, I can explain the REAL reason why the church supports vaccinations.

The church (meaning the apostles) outside of the WOW, does not consider anything to do with healthcare as coming under their callings. It is not an ecclesiastical issue to them, IOW. THEREFORE, they defer all judgements on these subjects over to what is considered by the world at large to be the experts on healthcare, and that is the current medical profession. The church actually has a board of physicians that basically, inform on all such issues, up to and including vaccinations. Now, as integrative health care becomes more common, you may see some changes in church "policy" on health care issues. I just learned that a chiropractor has recently been added to this board. So this is what is happening. OK, so I don't like it either, but this is the way it is.

This might tell you why. Not too long ago, a missionary in Colorado got sick with a virus that was going around. Apparently this caused debilitating sickness for several weeks in many cases. There was a Naturopath in the ward who treated this missionary for free, and within a day he was better. Well, since all the missionaries in the stake were sick, they all went and got this free "treatment" ( whatever it was ), after seeing how the one missionary nearly immediately recovered. Well, of course they all wrote home about it. It turns out their mothers were so upset that their kids had seen a naturopath that the letters of complaint to the church missionary dept never seemed to stop. It didn't matter that the missionaries all got well. These mothers wanted their kids protected from what they all considered an exploitive Quack.

So do you see what the church is up against? And an MD is someone who is recognized as the healthcare authority all over the world, whereas a naturopath isn't. (however unfair this may be )

Another area where the church consults with "authorities" is the business of the personal problems of its' members. Do you know how many bishops have gotten into trouble or even sued for giving personal advise to congregation members? Too many. Now, there is another board of advisers when it comes to personal counseling that the church consults with. For instance, it is very VERY naive for people to think that when President Monson, at the General Priesthood meeting a few years ago, told all the men to go home and ask their wives if any of them had need to improve and then humbly do as they were told, was speaking as a prophet. Does anyone of you remember this? Or when President Hinckley said he had a file full of letters from women who were complaining a bout their husbands, and he then told all the men to shape up? When it comes to issues like this, they simply consult with counseling professionals. They don't pray for a revelation, and the Lord comes down and says " yes, all the men are jerks, go tell them off ". They wouldn't because, once again, this is not considered an ecclesiastical problem. And you have got to realize that all family and marriage counselling is imbued with feminism these days. No wonder President Monson( and President Hinckley ) said what they did.

I know for a fact that this is true. I also know that after President Monson said what he did in the General Priesthood Meeting, he got A LOT OF FLACK for it!!!!! There were not many 70's who liked it, or Stake Presidents or High Councilmen. The general feedback was " I sacrifice my career, my time and sometimes my whole life for the church. The last thing I need is for the President of the Church to say my wife can tell me off when I (finally)get home!"

So lumberjacks daughter, don't let this stop you from getting active in church. I don't, no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes, the church is still true and I need it, and so do you. All this stuff( even vaccinations ) are just things of this world anyway. I believe in looking for the things of a better world, and I find them in church. Please do not let anything stop you from sharing in these blessings.

Do you have references for these talks you mention? I couldn't find them doing a search. Thanks

[passionflower]

Just so that a whole bunch of opinions do not show up here to cloud the issue, I can explain the REAL reason why the church supports vaccinations.

The church (meaning the apostles) outside of the WOW, does not consider anything to do with healthcare as coming under their callings. It is not an ecclesiastical issue to them, IOW. THEREFORE, they defer all judgements on these subjects over to what is considered by the world at large to be the experts on healthcare, and that is the current medical profession. The church actually has a board of physicians that basically, inform on all such issues, up to and including vaccinations. Now, as integrative health care becomes more common, you may see some changes in church "policy" on health care issues. I just learned that a chiropractor has recently been added to this board. So this is what is happening. OK, so I don't like it either, but this is the way it is.

This might tell you why. Not too long ago, a missionary in Colorado got sick with a virus that was going around. Apparently this caused debilitating sickness for several weeks in many cases. There was a Naturopath in the ward who treated this missionary for free, and within a day he was better. Well, since all the missionaries in the stake were sick, they all went and got this free "treatment" ( whatever it was ), after seeing how the one missionary nearly immediately recovered. Well, of course they all wrote home about it. It turns out their mothers were so upset that their kids had seen a naturopath that the letters of complaint to the church missionary dept never seemed to stop. It didn't matter that the missionaries all got well. These mothers wanted their kids protected from what they all considered an exploitive Quack.

So do you see what the church is up against? And an MD is someone who is recognized as the healthcare authority all over the world, whereas a naturopath isn't. (however unfair this may be )

Another area where the church consults with "authorities" is the business of the personal problems of its' members. Do you know how many bishops have gotten into trouble or even sued for giving personal advise to congregation members? Too many. Now, there is another board of advisers when it comes to personal counseling that the church consults with. For instance, it is very VERY naive for people to think that when President Monson, at the General Priesthood meeting a few years ago, told all the men to go home and ask their wives if any of them had need to improve and then humbly do as they were told, was speaking as a prophet. Does anyone of you remember this? Or when President Hinckley said he had a file full of letters from women who were complaining a bout their husbands, and he then told all the men to shape up? When it comes to issues like this, they simply consult with counseling professionals. They don't pray for a revelation, and the Lord comes down and says " yes, all the men are jerks, go tell them off ". They wouldn't because, once again, this is not considered an ecclesiastical problem. And you have got to realize that all family and marriage counselling is imbued with feminism these days. No wonder President Monson( and President Hinckley ) said what they did.

I know for a fact that this is true. I also know that after President Monson said what he did in the General Priesthood Meeting, he got A LOT OF FLACK for it!!!!! There were not many 70's who liked it, or Stake Presidents or High Councilmen. The general feedback was " I sacrifice my career, my time and sometimes my whole life for the church. The last thing I need is for the President of the Church to say my wife can tell me off when I (finally)get home!"

So lumberjacks daughter, don't let this stop you from getting active in church. I don't, no matter how frustrating it can be sometimes, the church is still true and I need it, and so do you. All this stuff( even vaccinations ) are just things of this world anyway. I believe in looking for the things of a better world, and I find them in church. Please do not let anything stop you from sharing in these blessings.

Do you have references for these talks you mention? I couldn't find them doing a search. Thanks

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[JohnnyL]

Letters from men to church leaders, even about divorces, will rarely complain about wives--almost no matter what happened. Leaders, in general, have mostly had wonderful wives. Most leaders assume marriage problems are the guy's fault. It's a natural man bias to protect and believe women. Pres. McKay started that way reading all the "unsealing" requests, until he started to learn, over time, it was usually a pretty even balance of wrongdoing. (Pres. McKay talked about that in the Teachings book.)

There are pages and pages of this stuff...

[creator]

Immunization does not equal vaccination. Just a related side note. I could say I am immunized but not vaccinated.

[buffalo_girl]

This week, my husband insisted I see a dermatologist over a skin lesion that didn't want to heal. In the past year, I have been using bentonite clay and diatomaceous earth internally to 'scavenge' toxins. They work well, but sometimes the toxins come out through the skin creating small painful blisters which heal quickly.

I am very careful about what information I give a pharmaceutical corporate trained physician so didn't share the above information with him which had nothing to do with the skin problem I was seeing him about.

I DID tell him which vitamins and herbs I routinely use. When I got home and sat down to read the 'instruction sheet' for post surgical care, the vitamins & herbs I mentioned were listed, but referred to as "Historical Medicine" beside each.

Zinc, iodine, vinegar for topical treatment of cold sores and other skin problems are "Historical Medicine"? Vitamin C, D, B-complex, A are "Historical Medicine"?

Perhaps we need to store some of these for the time when the UN CODEX will make the possession of nutritional supplements and herbs a criminal offense.

[dconrad000]

...very important info here...

For more information on the topic, see the thread, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country:

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