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You would think I know this but do mormons believe in the rapture?

Muerte Rosa wrote:The second coming?

So we don't come to Jesus but he comes to us? Right? Wrong? I'm clueless.

Some believe in a call out, somewhat similar to a rapture. The basic belief is the leaders of the church will issue a call to righteous members to leave their homes and gather in places of safety before the major tribulations spoken of in the scriptures occur. Generally, the feeling is that the righteous are those who have followed the counsel to get a year's supply of food storage. I haven't seen many other qualifications specified. There are plenty of older threads that discussed this here. Anyway, the idea is that, by gathering to these places (most likely living in tent cities) these people will avoid the brunt of the trials coming prior to the second coming.

This is not official church doctrine but there's a good chunk of members who subscribe to the idea. I don't personally believe things will happen quite that way, but what do I know?

Oh and those living in these tent cities will be the righteous who will receive Christ.

SAM wrote:Oh and those living in these tent cities will be the righteous who will receive Christ.

This is good info thank you. It also scares me the worst. What if my family goes. I worry about them. Jim Jones comes to mind. Scary. Thank you.

FSM wrote:

SAM wrote:Oh and those living in these tent cities will be the righteous who will receive Christ.

This is good info thank you. It also scares me the worst. What if my family goes. I worry about them. Jim Jones comes to mind. Scary. Thank you.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over that one. It'll never happen.

Muerte Rosa wrote:That's something totally different dude

FSM...Jim Jones....don't go there not cool [-(

Have you seen Guyana tragedy?

Ok ok ok when the call out comes I will stay and take care of the forum.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. I don't see any official call coming from the church which is what most members would wait for anyway. There is just a chunk of the Mormon population who believe it will.

The "rapture" as a doctrine of Christianity has nothing to do with a traditional Mormon "call out". The rapture refers to a belief that the righteous will suddenly be taken off earth and to heaven just prior to the start of the tribulation. Essentially, rapture believers are looking for saved Christians to disappear prior to the SHTF so that they do not go through any of the trials listed in the apocalyptic scriptures. I think it's a false doctrine, you figure it out yourself.

I think you might be Interested in those alive and from their graves caught up to meet with him in D&C 88:96-98. ♡ ♡

Then also they will come down upon the earth receive their inheritances and be made equal with him, as is written in D&C 88:107.

Good to already have had practice being equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly that you may be invited to this day and time of the thousand years when Satan and those who refused of their own freewill, to be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly, are cast into their own place.

But be aware and be wise to be happy and be glad be in being equal in your temporal things, for there still will be one more chance to lose it all at the season and the end that comes at the end of the thousand years.

One more chance to become lofty and lifted up in your own eyes and heart saying these others have brought upon themselves their own abject poverty.

So put in in your hearts forever to seek the least among you to lift them up, notwithstanding their shortcomings whatsoever.

You will be everlastingly glad you did, becoming like Jesus Christ as he has said to do and to be like and to know all of these things. ♡ ♡

Robert, IIRC, the resurrection at His coming is a distinct event from "the rapture". The rapture provides an escape from the great tribulation for the living. The dead will escape the physical hardships of the tribulation by virtue of being dead, as they are generally unavailable for physical, earthly hardships.

The concept of the "rapture" was invented sometime in the 19th Century and does not exist in the Bible. I have heard that the NWO types (some call them Illuminati but that is like saying the Boy Scouts represent American foreign policy) have helped to popularize this notion within Protestantism to lull the peasant religion into a compliant populace that will not question too much but will also comply with whatever they are ordered to do as they believe someday Stottie (God) will give the call and beam them up when things get too uncomfortable in the USA.

So then just 88:96, those that are "alive", shall be quickened and be caught up to meet with him? ♡ ♡

Other Christian faiths believe in the rapture due to passages of scripture like these…

Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other….
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

What they do not understand is these passages do not have anything to do with being caught up to meet the Lord. They are actually speaking of the gathering of the saints and of the “remnant” (those saints who are scattered all around the world and are not with the body of the saints) being gathered to where the body of the saints will be. This is very plainly explained in JST Luke 17: we read:

36 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord, shall they be taken?
37 And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is gathered; or, in other words, whithersoever the saints are gathered, thither will the eagles be gathered together; or, thither will the remainder be gathered together.
38 This he spake, signifying the gathering of his saints; and of angels descending and gathering the remainder unto them; the one from the bed, the other from the grinding, and the other from the field, whithersoever he listeth.

As to the question of Mormons believing in the rapture, do we believe in it? No, not in the way other Christian faiths do but we do believe in being “caught up to meet him”. At the end of the half hour of silence, just before the earth is to be transformed into a terrestrial globe the saints then living on the earth will be “caught up” to meet the Lord. From D&C 88:95-96 we read:

95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;
96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.

I hope this answers you question. If you would like to know more about the half hour of silence you can read my blog about it here: http://www.thebridegroomcometh.net/what ... f-silence/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obrien wrote:The "rapture" as a doctrine of Christianity has nothing to do with a traditional Mormon "call out". The rapture refers to a belief that the righteous will suddenly be taken off earth and to heaven just prior to the start of the tribulation. Essentially, rapture believers are looking for saved Christians to disappear prior to the SHTF so that they do not go through any of the trials listed in the apocalyptic scriptures. I think it's a false doctrine, you figure it out yourself.

I may have been unclear. The rapture is different than a callout. The callout theory is the closest we've got to that idea in Mormonism as far as I know. Those who believe in a callout believe they will be spared the majority of the tribulation too because they are gathered to places of safety and that's how it is similar to the rapture.

FSM wrote:You would think I know this but do mormons believe in the rapture?

Rapture is spiritual resurrection. We don't believe in it, we are it.

Would you think the word quickened is like unto rapture in its definition?

And is it only those unto whom are quickened by Celestial rather than Terrestrial or Telestial law?

What is the thought on this?

Good to be quickened at that day by Celestial Law is it not? ♡ ♡

Fiannan wrote:The concept of the "rapture" was invented sometime in the 19th Century and does not exist in the Bible. I have heard that the NWO types (some call them Illuminati but that is like saying the Boy Scouts represent American foreign policy) have helped to popularize this notion within Protestantism to lull the peasant religion into a compliant populace that will not question too much but will also comply with whatever they are ordered to do as they believe someday Stottie (God) will give the call and beam them up when things get too uncomfortable in the USA.

Wonderful. Thank you to everyone who helped me in this discussion. As always I have learned a lot from you.

rapture/callout/gathering: whatever the thing is which prevents me from having to be in the warzone, that's what I want:

DC45 wrote:66 And it shall be called the New Jerusalem, a land of peace, a city of refuge, a place of safety for the saints of the Most High God;

67 And the glory of the Lord shall be there, and the terror of the Lord also shall be there, insomuch that the wicked will not come unto it, and it shall be called Zion.

68 And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety.

That's an interesting take, braingrunt...I never "saw" the rapture as a call out OR a gathering. Mainstream Christians who believe in the doctrine seem to think they will be taken off the earth to heaven to escape the tribulation. The only qualification for being raptured generally is that you at some point in your life you "got saved". A callout or gathering implies to me moving to an area on earth that is protected, a la DC 45:68, from the great wickedness that will abound on the earth. To me, a "callout" implies being warned by mortal leaders to move to a "place of safety" whereas a "gathering" seems to be a more organic, personal, movement to a place of refuge, perhaps even aided by angels, following personal promptings etc.

Obrien wrote:That's an interesting take, braingrunt...I never "saw" the rapture as a call out OR a gathering. Mainstream Christians who believe in the doctrine seem to think they will be taken off the earth to heaven to escape the tribulation. The only qualification for being raptured generally is that you at some point in your life you "got saved". A callout or gathering implies to me moving to an area on earth that is protected, a la DC 45:68, from the great wickedness that will abound on the earth. To me, a "callout" implies being warned by mortal leaders to move to a "place of safety" whereas a "gathering" seems to be a more organic, personal, movement to a place of refuge, perhaps even aided by angels, following personal promptings etc.

This is actually the logic behind several small offshoot groups and their little settlements or places of refuge.

Unfortunately, this truth is also used as a strong tool of oppression by them.
"Do as we say or you are kicked out."
"Give us your daughter or you are kicked out!"
"If you are kicked out you will suffer God's wrath in Babylon."

I am also reminded of the warning to not heed those who say "lo here" or "lo there".

Therefore, I also believe it is appropriate that personal inspiration play a big role in this.

I do not believe in the AVOW tent city massive scale "tent city" callout. That sounds more like a good way to end up in a UN concentration camp.

Trust me, when universal local war breaks out, if I know of a place of safety (and it sounds like people will be aware), then I will go there happily, whether the group was started by callout, organic gathering, or whether Denver Snuffer himself started it. I will be trying to get there.

FSM wrote:You would think I know this but do mormons believe in the rapture?

No, this is not a belief of Mormonism.

No. Mormons don't believe in The Rapture. The Rapture involves being snatched out of your bed, your yard, your job, your car, and floating up to heaven. The word "rapture" isn't in the bible, but there is a scripture about the righteous being caught up in the clouds with Jesus, somewhere roundabout when He is scheduled to return.

I don't know if you ever saw those bumper stickers that said, "In case of Rapture this car will be un-manned." They were common in the South. One day, in Savannah, Georgia, I saw one that said, "In case of Rapture, can I have your car?"

It's officially my favorite bumper sticker of all time.