Fifty shades of black and blue and grey?

[marc]

I haven't watched TV in years, but I do watch Netflix occasionally nowadays. I've been hearing more about this show called 50 shades of grey. Now there is a TV in the cafeteria where I work that shows the news and discovery channel type programs. Today, I caught a bit of a news segment about a protest going on because this movie or book or whatever is about men who victimize women. Why is society glorifying this? It seems like this and what I have heard about shows like Breaking Bad and I don't know what else is on TV nowadays, it's no wonder the world is so messed up. What I have heard about this 50 shades movie, it reminds me of the following scripture. Maybe this is the direction where society is heading.

Mormon 9:9 And notwithstanding this great abomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue—

10 And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.

[Lizzy60]

I haven't read the book (obviously) but I have heard that it's MOST popular with women. They expect the majority of people seeing the movie will be women.
The world is so messed up, but this really really boggles my mind. We are toast.

[jwharton]

I haven't watched TV in years, but I do watch Netflix occasionally nowadays. I've been hearing more about this show called 50 shades of grey. Now there is a TV in the cafeteria where I work that shows the news and discovery channel type programs. Today, I caught a bit of a news segment about a protest going on because this movie or book or whatever is about men who victimize women. Why is society glorifying this? It seems like this and what I have heard about shows like Breaking Bad and I don't know what else is on TV nowadays, it's no wonder the world is so messed up. What I have heard about this 50 shades movie, it reminds me of the following scripture. Maybe this is the direction where society is heading.

Mormon 9:9 And notwithstanding this great abomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue—

10 And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.

Agree, this is exactly where it is heading!

The people are being seduced by the spirit of the Nephilim in our midst who were born of the very sin of taking tender young women as captives. See Genesis chapter 6:1-4. Which is interesting to note that Jacob chapter 2 speaks of the exact same sins that the Nephites were up to.

I believe there is most definitely a parallel here: Nephilim-Nephites

[mhewett]

Hi Coach, I was working and listening to the radio when a new show was advertised for one of our local tv stations. I have never watched it as the ad put me off. Some of you may know it but the premise of the show (from the commercial) was about people doing a university course which was about how to get away with murder. I've got to say I was shocked and could not believe that a show with such a premise could make it to tv. It really is getting bad. I love netflix, there are times when I watch it the majority of the time. there is lot of great shows but a lot of bad as well, don't let the kids have a look around on netflix without an adult being there. there is a lot of great Christian movies on it also which I haven't found on another online library.

[marc]

mhewett, there is a movie on Netflix called The Book of Daniel. It is very well done and from what I understand, true to the Bible. If you have a chance to watch it, I highly recommend it.

[samizdat]

I haven't watched TV in years, but I do watch Netflix occasionally nowadays. I've been hearing more about this show called 50 shades of grey. Now there is a TV in the cafeteria where I work that shows the news and discovery channel type programs. Today, I caught a bit of a news segment about a protest going on because this movie or book or whatever is about men who victimize women. Why is society glorifying this? It seems like this and what I have heard about shows like Breaking Bad and I don't know what else is on TV nowadays, it's no wonder the world is so messed up. What I have heard about this 50 shades movie, it reminds me of the following scripture. Maybe this is the direction where society is heading.

Mormon 9:9 And notwithstanding this great abomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue—

10 And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.

Worked at a university where pretty much EVERY SINGLE WOMAN could be seen reading the book. As well as the two books afterwards (yes, this is a trilogy). The books are crap.

[marc]

It seems that these books and this movie are feeding the fantasy that women should put up with such abuse in the slim hopes that a man just might love them. I found this video on Youtube and it makes a powerful point. And perhaps this problem is why women are fantasizing about this stuff, or at least from what I gather, is more popular with women.

[samizdat]

I haven't watched TV in years, but I do watch Netflix occasionally nowadays. I've been hearing more about this show called 50 shades of grey. Now there is a TV in the cafeteria where I work that shows the news and discovery channel type programs. Today, I caught a bit of a news segment about a protest going on because this movie or book or whatever is about men who victimize women. Why is society glorifying this? It seems like this and what I have heard about shows like Breaking Bad and I don't know what else is on TV nowadays, it's no wonder the world is so messed up. What I have heard about this 50 shades movie, it reminds me of the following scripture. Maybe this is the direction where society is heading.

Mormon 9:9 And notwithstanding this great abomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue—

10 And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.

Agree, this is exactly where it is heading!

The people are being seduced by the spirit of the Nephilim in our midst who were born of the very sin of taking tender young women as captives. See Genesis chapter 6:1-4. Which is interesting to note that Jacob chapter 2 speaks of the exact same sins that the Nephites were up to.

I believe there is most definitely a parallel here: Nephilim-Nephites

Nephi in Hebrew means GIANT. And we read that Nephi was large in stature.

I see a parallel with the Nephilim that when these things were glorified, that was when God finally had enough and decided to send the Flood.

[jwharton]

Nephi in Hebrew means GIANT. And we read that Nephi was large in stature.

Yes, that makes sense.

I see a parallel with the Nephilim that when these things were glorified, that was when God finally had enough and decided to send the Flood.

I think the time-span of the time between the "sons of God" contemporary to Seth who sinned and wer cursed and the flood of Noah was about 1,000 years wasn't it? And, that is about the same timeframe of the Nephite civilization as well.

[Rose Garden]

It seems that these books and this movie are feeding the fantasy that women should put up with such abuse in the slim hopes that a man just might love them. I found this video on Youtube and it makes a powerful point. And perhaps this problem is why women are fantasizing about this stuff, or at least from what I gather, is more popular with women.

Interesting movie.

I am not sure why women are taken up by this sort of thing but I don't think it is a new thing. Old black and white movies often have scenes where men snatch the woman and kiss her, even though she apparently doesn't want it. I can recall watching those movies as a young woman and thinking it was so romantic. I suppose if we could understand why women in general seem to be enthralled by this sort of behavior, we could understand romantic relationships better.

[Fiannan]

Agree, this is exactly where it is heading!

The people are being seduced by the spirit of the Nephilim in our midst who were born of the very sin of taking tender young women as captives. See Genesis chapter 6:1-4. Which is interesting to note that Jacob chapter 2 speaks of the exact same sins that the Nephites were up to.

I believe there is most definitely a parallel here: Nephilim-Nephites

Again, you can believe what you want but there is absolutely no evidence that the women of that era put up a fight...quite the contrary the passage you quote, especially when seen in the context of the Book of Jasher, would indicate these "Sons of God" had the popularity of rock stars, with human women lining up to be with them. Also, the hybrid results of these unions were called Nephilim, and as the Bible notes some were men (of course there were Nephilim women as well) of great renown.

Also, to say that the Nephites were in some way more Nephilim than anyone else due to the similarity of spelling would be like saying that Peter was some sort of stone creature since his name means "rock." I would also point out that ancient Hebrew had no vowels so it is difficult to know exactly what spelling would be applied to the hybrid people.

Now as for 50 Shades I know a young woman, she is Muslim I might note and observant of a lot of her religion's practices aside from the hijab, who basically camped out to see the premier and she stated afterwards that she was disappointed that the movie did not have more porn in it. Some of her friends agreed.

I read an article yesterday, I will not link it as someone might say its descriptions are a bit over-the-top, that 50 Shades and similar novels are acting as a gateway for women of all ages to explore porn. Sex has always sold but now women are demanded a piece of the pie. I also read, a while back when the book was released, that the hits on porn sites that specialize in BDSM went way up. As the book has been labeled "mommy porn" and is very popular with the 30 - 50 year-old female demographic it is doubtful the sudden rise in popularity of this porn sub-genre is driven by men as few are reading the book.

I also wanted to note that many mothers are buying the book for their daughters.

One other thing, there is a Mormon connection to this movie, know what it is?

[marc]

Mommy porn? Mormon connection? What's next?

[Fiannan]

Mommy porn? Mormon connection? What's next?

http://www.people.com/article/fifty-sha ... s-fanworks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now all those mommies who took their daughters to see Jacob take his shirt off can take their daughters to this movie too. ;)

[jwharton]

Again, you can believe what you want but there is absolutely no evidence that the women of that era put up a fight...quite the contrary the passage you quote, especially when seen in the context of the Book of Jasher, would indicate these "Sons of God" had the popularity of rock stars, with human women lining up to be with them. Also, the hybrid results of these unions were called Nephilim, and as the Bible notes some were men (of course there were Nephilim women as well) of great renown.

Also, to say that the Nephites were in some way more Nephilim than anyone else due to the similarity of spelling would be like saying that Peter was some sort of stone creature since his name means "rock." I would also point out that ancient Hebrew had no vowels so it is difficult to know exactly what spelling would be applied to the hybrid people.

I consider your remarks quite condescending and poorly reasoned.

Since when are popular "rock star" types ever at a level of accountability that they could reap such a curse?

When have you ever known in the period of history that the priesthood body surrounding the Lord's Anointed Prophet, who are the only ones at the level of accountability where such a curse (which was worse than Cain's) could be applied, have ever attained "rock star" status?

Remember, the curse they received was worse than Cain's curse so you have considerably more explaining to do as to what they actually did that the Lord placed such a curse upon them.

I showed elsewhere the exact same parallel as to what the Nephite men were doing to the tender young daughters and that in that same chastisement they were cursed to utter destruction for it.

The parallel is plainly there, but for whatever reason you seem to be hung up on something that just doesn't make sense.

[Fiannan]

jwhartan, who even brought up an issue of a curse aside from you? You make it sound as if these "Sons of God" came down and started pillaging human cities in the same manner as a hoard of Ghengis Khan's Mongels. I see no evidence of this either in the Bible or in other works that claim to explain those events that happened well over twelve thousand years ago. Women are as women are, and men are as men are. Stop trying to make women into fragile vessels of purity because they are no more that than men are. If you really believe that then might I encourage you to go to the theater this evening and ask the women in line to see 50 Shades not to see the movie, that it goes against what they really want. Then come back and report.

If polygamy came back do you doubt that if Elder Uchtorf could get a very large family really fast? However, if Snoop Dog wanted he could do as well. This neither makes polygamy good or bad, that is determined by the men and women who enter into it. I am sure that aside from the aspect that the people of Noah's era were probably far superior in intellect and physical health than people today their basic natures were the same as today.

[marc]

Mommy porn? Mormon connection? What's next?

http://www.people.com/article/fifty-sha ... s-fanworks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now all those mommies who took their daughters to see Jacob take his shirt off can take their daughters to this movie too. ;)

I don't get the connection.

[Fiannan]

Mommy porn? Mormon connection? What's next?

http://www.people.com/article/fifty-sha ... s-fanworks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now all those mommies who took their daughters to see Jacob take his shirt off can take their daughters to this movie too. ;)

I don't get the connection.

Twilight was written by a Mormon and 50 Shades is fan fiction of Twilight.

Jacob was the werewolf guy who spent a lot of time without his shirt and from what I understand a lot of women in the 30 - 50 demographic embarrassed their daughters when they would yell out their approval when he would take off his shirt.

[marc]

Gotcha. I remember when Twilight first came to the theaters. I had no idea what it was about, but I took my wife to see it. I remember the first few minutes being blown away by some dude with powers. After that it was a boring blur as I don't recall whatsoever the rest of the plot, nor did I care to see the sequels. On another note, I've written Star Wars "fan fiction," which is what I consider "fan" fiction, but what I read on that link, what the article considers fan fiction seems more like a rip-off/adaptation of a previous unrelated work. Not quite the same thing.

[marc]

I suppose if we could understand why women in general seem to be enthralled by this sort of behavior, we could understand romantic relationships better.

After giving this some thought, it would seem to me that women, generally speaking, want to feel loved-be loved. I also recall such old black and white movies where a woman gets "swept off her feet," though she may protest, but then melt in the man's arms when he kisses her. If she is not attracted to him, she will repel him, but if she finds him the least bit attractive, she will submit and tolerate the act, whether it is the slightest act of domination or the abuse discussed in this topic in the hopes that he just might love her instead of merely becoming his conquest. I even recall cartoons where the man steals a kiss, she is shocked and slaps him, he smiles, taking it as a sign of encouragement and pursues her more aggressively. Steven Covey once said that we see the world not as it is, but as we are, or as we are conditioned to see it. And we are certainly being conditioned to see things a certain way and glamorizing it.

[marc]

mhewett, there is a movie on Netflix called The Book of Daniel. It is very well done and from what I understand, true to the Bible. If you have a chance to watch it, I highly recommend it.

I've watched that before...it was really good. Helped me to understand the book of Daniel better. You need to get a Roku Marc.....gives your Netflix plus a lot of other stuff.

I've watched it more than once. I really enjoy it. Kinda cool to see Lance Henriksen play Cyrus. I've never heard of Roku. I'll look into it. I can't stand most of what's on Netlflix either so I watch very little of anything.

[Phoenixstar117]

I've seen signs around town which say "Nothing is scarier than underage drinking". Well I think there is nothing scarier than a society that can approve of the content of a movie which promotes abuse of women.

Take the pledge to not drink and drive? How about he pledge to not read or watch porn. That's what this movie is. Just as a side note, your totally right on why it's popular with women. Because somehow it delivers some affection, especially to peoploe how are starved for it, it makes them be more accepting of that degradation. It's the same with men who become addicted to porn. They do it because it appeals to their emotions.

[jbalm]

This 50 Shades sounds like a ripoff of the Old Testament.

[marc]

I have some friends that have read the book and I'm like I'd be really embarrassed to admit to that.

But would you be embarrassed to buy and read it?

[Fiannan]

i remember back in the 1980s I read a market survey that stated that about 30% of the readers of "Playboy" were women. These surveys are far more serious than general academic studies because they determine appeal for advertisers; thus a direct money factor. My assumption in those days was that most readers were women whose husbands subscribed. Still, it had an appeal.

Today you have all the options for women that men have. The only thing different is that a movie like this acts as a way to get women talking, purchasing items associated with the movie's theme, and looking up either more erotic novels or movies.

As for saying that women look at this, or porn, due to a lack of affection I will buy this...the same goes for men. And then there are reasons like just being interested in sex, just as men. There are far more similarities between men and women in these regards than there are differences.

[passionflower]

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