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Haha! This thread took quite the turn!

It turned into a Low Testosterone Club meeting.

I put a poll up to see if we can answer this for ldsff sample

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jbalm wrote:It turned into a Low Testosterone Club meeting.

I'm even taking T injections, but still...

That men a women peak at different ages is one of nature's more cruel jokes.

Jezebel wrote:The way he thought of me, the way he treated me, made me either want to sleep with him or not.

I think this is key. When a woman lives with someone who acts like he hates her, she has no drive to be with him sexually (unless she's a masochist, in which case she needs help) - but when a man acts as if he loves his wife, she is more interested. (I speak from experience, having lived with a man who treated me as if he despised me.) Even if the woman naturally has a strong drive, it disappears when she is treated like crap.

Well, given my personal experience, I still lean to believing that women are generally not as interested in sex as men. But that comes from more than just counting heads of who wants sex and who doesn't.

I read an awesome book called, "Making Love the Joy of Marriage." I recommend it if anyone is having issues with sex in marriage, even women. The point of the book was to teach men why their wives were turned off of sex and help them fix it. The book significantly affected me.

Through the things taught in that book and through many of my personal experiences and conversation with women, it seems to me that women are turned on mainly by spiritual influences. In other words, they want sex more when they feel loved and appreciated. And they want it less when they don't. "Sex starts in the kitchen." It's what men do outside of the bedroom that makes their wives want to go to bed with them.

I would beg to differ. Women are as interested at the sub conscious level, but as one of the studies cited in The Guardian link notes they are more likely to repress it. Of course this is a positive thing in many cases as a woman must bear the responsibility of pregnancy if she makes a bad mating decision (although in the USA an impoverished, uneducated woman always has a rich uncle named Sam to pay for her bad mating choices). So women tend to have better breaks at the onset of any initiation of sex. However, in my own experiences and in an internet analysis of online questions on various forums it appears once a woman has made a choice of a mate she is more often than not the one who begs for sex. In the article I am referring to it seems that questions like "How do I get my boyfriend to have sex with me?" outnumber the male plea for advice 2:1. I wound up losing several girlfriends because I refused their sexual advances.

So after marriage? You would think a married man with a large family would not be pursued anymore but the opposite has been the case. Had one young woman actually invite herself to my home after asking to attend a Church function I was hosting, even though she is an Atheist. She had dinner with the family and afterwards my wife noted she could see her intentions. It was funny that when my wife said she wanted to do some wall papering of one of our rooms this gal, did I note she is quite young and looks like a Nordic fashion model, said she wanted to join her and that she loved household projects.

Okay obviously had I indicated to the woman, who is studying bio-engineering, any green-light I could have probably had my own polygamy reality show. My point is not to brag, but to say that the desire to pro-create is normally strong in women and society has done its best to stomp this out of them. And the desire for sex is strong in women, maybe stronger than in men, but there too society clamps down on that and, in many cases, dampens the fire. Women find that men who are desirable in one of the categories I listed earlier, who have proven they produce exceptional children, are worthy of their attention. So the irony is that males who have proven themselves will attract women who would like the children they produce to be as blessed as well. Thus, women who mate with such males will not find any need to repress their sexuality or desires as the result is positive. On the other hand a man who has shown any sort of negativity will not elicit the same sexual response from women.

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Fiannan wrote:Esther wound up the king's favorite wife,after his initial #1, Vashti, refused to join him in a party in the nude so all his friends could see how good she looked.

Are we safe to assume that Esther had no problems with such requests?

If you want an example to promote modesty might I suggest a new heroine -- Vashti?

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Interesting read! I've never heard that take before. Some of the comments at the bottom, however, suggest that it's not so cut and dry.

Vashti was probably executed for disobeying her husband. Verse 7 of chapter 1:

For this deed of the queen shall come abroad unto all women, so that they shall despise their husbands in their eyes, when it shall be reported, The king Ahasuerus commanded Vashti the queen to be brought in before him, but she came not.

The fact that Vashti is not in any way supported in any verse for her disobedience to her husband indicates how serious disobedience to a husband was in those days - both in regards to the Jews and Persians. What the king essentially told Vashti to do would be akin to a man having a drunken party during the Super Bowl and demanding his wife some in and do a strip show for all his friends. If she wants to fine, but if not then that is pretty disgusting. I believe Vashti was in the right here.

I just want to note though that The Book of Esther is not true scripture in the sense that other books are; more a history lesson.