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President Barack Obama will soon give Congress his proposal for a new authorization for the use of military force against Islamic State fighters, and it will place strict limits on the types of U.S. ground forces that can be deployed, according to congressional sources.

Want to take out ISIS, just go to Langley. =)) :ymsick: X(

Col. Flagg wrote:http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... und-forces

President Barack Obama will soon give Congress his proposal for a new authorization for the use of military force against Islamic State fighters, and it will place strict limits on the types of U.S. ground forces that can be deployed, according to congressional sources.

Want to take out ISIS, just go to Langley. =)) :ymsick: X(

Hard to tell how you feel about this.

KMCopeland wrote:

Col. Flagg wrote:http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... und-forces

President Barack Obama will soon give Congress his proposal for a new authorization for the use of military force against Islamic State fighters, and it will place strict limits on the types of U.S. ground forces that can be deployed, according to congressional sources.

Want to take out ISIS, just go to Langley. =)) :ymsick: X(

Hard to tell how you feel about this.

Hard to tell if you were being serious or sarcastic?

KCCopeland, Col Flagg says that Obama and the CIA created ISIS.

Though he has presented a few theories that some consider outlandish like the hyperinflation scenario (we are in a deflationary spiral right now) he is spot on on this one.

Anything Obama could be doing wrong, he has been doing wrong here i.e. Ukraine and Syria.

Hard to tell WTFlip ISIS is really about.

Man, for a second, I thought the title read IRS rather than ISIS. I about pooped a brick! I wouldn't be surprised, though, that the stage is now being set for fed up Americans to welcome a world war in the name of ending terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican was elected our next president and launched the world into the endgame.

Col. Flagg wrote:

KMCopeland wrote:

Col. Flagg wrote:http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... und-forces

"President Barack Obama will soon give Congress his proposal for a new authorization for the use of military force against Islamic State fighters, and it will place strict limits on the types of U.S. ground forces that can be deployed, according to congressional sources."
Want to take out ISIS, just go to Langley. =)) :ymsick: X(

Hard to tell how you feel about this.

Hard to tell if you were being serious or sarcastic?

I'm serious.

Wait, where's the guy who ran as a peace candidate?

US Foreign Policy created ISIS, then armed ISIS, then stood by while ISIS spread...and now the person responsible wants to get involved in a war on ISIS? Since when did Obama think he needs to ask Congress about anything?

samizdat wrote:KCCopeland, Col Flagg says that Obama and the CIA created ISIS.

Why would they do that?

coachmarc wrote:Man, for a second, I thought the title read IRS rather than ISIS. I about pooped a brick! I wouldn't be surprised, though, that the stage is now being set for fed up Americans to welcome a world war in the name of ending terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican was elected our next president and launched the world into the endgame.

I don't think Americans will ever again welcome anything but very limited military engagements. Which is a good thing, since we no longer have the size force to fight a world war.

KMCopeland wrote:

samizdat wrote:KCCopeland, Col Flagg says that Obama and the CIA created ISIS.

Why would they do that?

You have to get our 600 plus billion dollar military something to shoot at. Either that or downsize the military (which I am for by the way).

Eisenhower spoke about that in his farewell address. Presidents Kimball and Benson warned against this happening as well. President Kennedy tried to avoid entering Vietnam, for that reason (and he was POing the bankers for wanting to print his own money without going to the central bankers) he was assassinated.

It is spelled out in the temple endowment.

I will BUY UP ARMIES AND NAVIES, FALSE PRIESTS that oppress, and TYRANTS that rage with blood and horror on this earth.

But it goes back to those that BUY up these things.

Right now I would keep an eye on Greece. If there is an assassination there make sure to remember these words.

KMCopeland wrote:

coachmarc wrote:Man, for a second, I thought the title read IRS rather than ISIS. I about pooped a brick! I wouldn't be surprised, though, that the stage is now being set for fed up Americans to welcome a world war in the name of ending terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican was elected our next president and launched the world into the endgame.

I don't think Americans will ever again welcome anything but very limited military engagements. Which is a good thing, since we no longer have the size force to fight a world war.

WE might need that size of force again. Developments back East are not very cozy to say the least.

If we send so much as any more heavy weapons to Ukraine or start training their soldiers there personally Russia has warned of assymetric retaliation. You are not going to be able to fight a limited campaign against Russia. We would have to do what Ukraine is doing right now: Drafting.

KMCopeland wrote:

samizdat wrote:KCCopeland, Col Flagg says that Obama and the CIA created ISIS.

Why would they do that?

Are you aware of the truth about 9/11?

samizdat wrote:
It is spelled out in the temple endowment.

I will BUY UP ARMIES AND NAVIES, FALSE PRIESTS that oppress, and TYRANTS that rage with blood and horror on this earth.

:ymapplause: Precisely.

samizdat wrote:

KMCopeland wrote:

coachmarc wrote:Man, for a second, I thought the title read IRS rather than ISIS. I about pooped a brick! I wouldn't be surprised, though, that the stage is now being set for fed up Americans to welcome a world war in the name of ending terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican was elected our next president and launched the world into the endgame.

I don't think Americans will ever again welcome anything but very limited military engagements. Which is a good thing, since we no longer have the size force to fight a world war.

WE might need that size of force again. Developments back East are not very cozy to say the least.


If we send so much as any more heavy weapons to Ukraine or start training their soldiers there personally Russia has warned of assymetric retaliation. You are not going to be able to fight a limited campaign against Russia. We would have to do what Ukraine is doing right now: Drafting.

I agree. If we're going to ignore Ike's warnings fight wars all over the world, we're going to need a draft. What would you say the likelihood of having a draft again is?

As we stand right now, the chance of a draft is somewhere between a billionth and a millionth of a percent.

All bets are off though if Russia attacks a Nato member state or the US directly.

The draft would rise up to between a millionth and a billionth of a percent below 100 if Russia attacks the US or a Nato member state with nukes.

samizdat wrote:

KMCopeland wrote:

coachmarc wrote:Man, for a second, I thought the title read IRS rather than ISIS. I about pooped a brick! I wouldn't be surprised, though, that the stage is now being set for fed up Americans to welcome a world war in the name of ending terrorism. I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican was elected our next president and launched the world into the endgame.

I don't think Americans will ever again welcome anything but very limited military engagements. Which is a good thing, since we no longer have the size force to fight a world war.

WE might need that size of force again. Developments back East are not very cozy to say the least.

If we send so much as any more heavy weapons to Ukraine or start training their soldiers there personally Russia has warned of assymetric retaliation. You are not going to be able to fight a limited campaign against Russia. We would have to do what Ukraine is doing right now: Drafting.

What does "asymetric retaliation" mean in that context?

Daryl wrote:Hard to tell WTFlip ISIS is really about.

ISIS is about an especially lethal, very large, better armed than most, terrorist group. But they are a far cry from invincible.

A symmetric reaction would be sending even heavier weapons into Ukraine. An asymmetrical reaction would be to send in the army and missiles, and also attack the Baltic nations, daring Nato to strike.

samizdat wrote:As we stand right now, the chance of a draft is somewhere between a billionth and a millionth of a percent.

All bets are off though if Russia attacks a Nato member state or the US directly.

The draft would rise up to between a millionth and a billionth of a percent below 100 if Russia attacks the US or a Nato member state with nukes.

Putin isn't that stupid.

Bee Prepared wrote:Wait, where's the guy who ran as a peace candidate?

US Foreign Policy created ISIS, then armed ISIS, then stood by while ISIS spread...and now the person responsible wants to get involved in a war on ISIS?

I agree. A wildly irrational collection of impossible -- and fictional -- scenarios.

Bee Prepared wrote:Since when did Obama think he needs to ask Congress about anything?

Whenever he has to.

KMCopeland wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:Wait, where's the guy who ran as a peace candidate?

US Foreign Policy created ISIS, then armed ISIS, then stood by while ISIS spread...and now the person responsible wants to get involved in a war on ISIS?

I agree. A wildly irrational collection of impossible -- and fictional -- scenarios.

Bee Prepared wrote:Since when did Obama think he needs to ask Congress about anything?

Whenever he has to.

So, how did ISIS get hold of American weaponry? Did they just randomly stumble upon Humvees and 50 cals?

Or perhaps those armaments were sent to the FSA who really was the front organization for al Nusrah which evolved itself into ISIS? At best the US government made a terrible mistake at vetting. At worst it was deliberate.

Logic would have to consider the second option (sent to FSA). Either way this doesn't bode well for Obama as similar incidents have occured in other parts of the globe (Ben Ghazi, Iranian drone based off of shootdown of American drone). Or of similar incidents that have happened before the shadow of Obama had intersected the shadow of 1600 Penn Ave.

Iran Contra.
Operation Ajax.
The almost realized Operation Northwoods.
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
The arming of the Taliban to fight off the Soviets.
The arming of Saddam to fight off the Iranians.
The removing of Salvador Allende.

I could go on forever with these scandals that have involved the United States Government especially since WWII. Done under Republican and Democratic Administrations. That Obama has continued this streak is not surprising. He is NOT a statesman as what you purport him out to be, according to the words of multiple LDS presidents, specifically Ezra Taft Benson in the Proper Role of Government.

We are being sold down the river by corrupt interests and secret combinations in high places. Those people are inspired by him who said that he would buy up armies and navies, false priests that oppress, and tyrants that rage with blood and horror on this earth.

samizdat wrote:

KMCopeland wrote:

samizdat wrote:KCCopeland, Col Flagg says that Obama and the CIA created ISIS.

Why would they do that?

You have to get our 600 plus billion dollar military something to shoot at. Either that or downsize the military (which I am for by the way.

The idea that the military is so bored and under-utilized that the CIA would have to invent an enemy for them to wage war against isn't a very good conspiracy theory. The military is at breaking point, almost entirely as a result of George Bush's abuse of them in the middle east for so long. We have a volunteer force, and by historical standards, and by conventional, large scale land war standards, it's small. Time was you did a combat tour and you were done -- now, you're never done. We don't have the personnel to do otherwise. People are doing 3, 4, 5 tours in the war zones, and we have veterans killing themselves every few minutes as a result. The military doesn't need target practice. The military needs some serious R&R.


ISIS is very real. It's not an invention of the CIA or anybody else. And we will need a lot of help exterminating it, not only because we're not the only country who stands to benefit from its extermination, but because we are unable to do it alone. If you don't think the president knows that, I honestly don't know what to tell you. Of course he knows that.

The president does not want large-scale war. The Joint Chiefs don't either. None of the decision-makers do. Big mouth John McCain and dopey Lindsay Graham want one, but nobody listens to them -- nobody that matters. Putin is a conscienceless man with a lust for territory. But he's just not that stupid. He doesn't want to be vaporized, which is what would happen to him, and Russia, within 20 minutes of him launching a nuclear strike our way. He will continue to try to steal territory in his part of the world, but the chances of world war are remote. If you would all look at this without throwing in thousands of years old Book of Mormon battles to the death and biblical Armageddon prophecies and endowment language for goodness sake, you might be able to see that.

It would probably also help to avoid Alex Jones like the plague.

Col. Flagg wrote:

KMCopeland wrote:

samizdat wrote:KCCopeland, Col Flagg says that Obama and the CIA created ISIS.

Why would they do that?

Are you aware of the truth about 9/11?

Are you aware of the truth? I don't know how you could be. Because although a lot of people are aware of some serious problems with the official version of 9/11, I don't think the truth is available yet.

samizdat wrote:You have to get our 600 plus billion dollar military something to shoot at. Either that or downsize the military (which I am for by the way).

The defense budget badly needs to be downsized. There are things in that budget that don't do a thing for the military. But downsize the military? It's been being downsized ever since Nixon ended the draft. It would be a terrible mistake to downsize the military any more than it's already been downsized.

samizdat wrote:Right now I would keep an eye on Greece. If there is an assassination there make sure to remember these words.

Assassinations just don't seem to pack the geopolitical punch they once did. But I will pay attention to Greece. On your recommendation.