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We are Preparing for Massive Civil War, Says DHS Informant



We here about a major cleansing in this country. BUT, but, who will do it, God alone, or will it be by way of the wicked finally held accountable for evil by the righteous? Will it be neighbor against neighbor, or a massive number of patriots that say they've had enough? It is apparent that we are so close to completely losing all remnants of freedom and liberty once afforded us by Constitution.
Could the people we think are the good guys, actually be the very ones that turn and rend us?
In Vietnam, we had no front line, we had no idea who the enemy was until they were on top of us. A Viet Cong could cut hair by day and throats by night. Is this how it will be here in America?
Who is, who makes up, who comprises the real enemy that is to be dealt with?
Do Americans wait until it is everlastingly too late to make a difference? We know of two civilizations that warred until no one was left. They both assumed they were in the right.

Will it boil down to this, two enemies, the last ones from both sides losing blood or already dead?

Ether 15:30-32
30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.
31 And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.
32 And it came to pass that Coriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life

Joseph Smith told us that a massive civil war would come, and he wasn't the only prophet in this dispensation to say as much. It's going to get extremely ugly here. Only time will exactly how everything will unfold but it is coming nonetheless.

marktheshark wrote:Joseph Smith told us that a massive civil war would come, and he wasn't the only prophet in this dispensation to say as much. It's going to get extremely ugly here. Only time will exactly how everything will unfold but it is coming nonetheless.

Here is how Mosiah Lyman Hancock describes it:

Mosiah Hancock

[According to Brother Hancock, the Prophet Joseph Smith told him,] The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will say, “Let’s divide up the lands of the United States,” then the people of the U.S. will unite and swear by the blood of their fore-fathers, that the land shall not be divided. Then the country will go to war, and they will fight until one half of the U.S. army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up—when the boys from the mountains will rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, “Brethren, we are glad you have come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God.” Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when its liberty hangs by a hair, as it were. (Life Story of Mosiah Lyman Hancock, 19-20)

You're correct, if things turn out as described...it will be beyond the most vivid definition of ugly.

Joseph also said that the civil war would begin in the city of Chicago and spread out from there and that the culprit would be the devaluation of our currency. Most Americans are completely unaware what's going on right now financially, especially with regard to the formation of the BRICS nations and their plan/desire to conduct international trade outside the U.S. dollar. This has angered the U.S. and western banking system which began fomenting the unrest we are now seeing in Ukraine in order to attempt to control the vast network of oil/gas pipelines (Gazprom) while also stealing Ukraine's 33 tons of gold since the U.S. violated a global agreement 18 months or so ago for a global currency reset backed by gold. Dr. Jim Willie, a prominent alternative media mogul with a PhD in economics and finance who does talk show and radio interviews about the truth regarding what's really going on, says that when this global currency reset finally occurs, nations with little to no gold will have the weakest currencies and is forecasting that the U.S. will need to devalue the international dollar by 80% in order to secure trade and receive imports from nations whose currency is superior to the dollar because of their gold holdings. This would translate into a 400% increase in import prices for the U.S. and he sees a 50-70% reduction in the domestic dollar, resulting in a doubling or 233% increase in costs and payments for everything, which is why, he contends, it is vital to get out of debt as best and as quickly as you can.

Col. Flagg wrote:Joseph also said that the civil war would begin in the city of Chicago and spread out from there and that the culprit would be the devaluation of our currency. Most Americans are completely unaware what's going on right now financially, especially with regard to the formation of the BRICS nations and their plan/desire to conduct international trade outside the U.S. dollar. This has angered the U.S. and western banking system which began fomenting the unrest we are now seeing in Ukraine in order to attempt to control the vast network of oil/gas pipelines (Gazprom) while also stealing Ukraine's 33 tons of gold since the U.S. violated a global agreement 18 months or so ago for a global currency reset backed by gold. Dr. Jim Willie, a prominent alternative media mogul with a PhD in economics and finance who does talk show and radio interviews about the truth regarding what's really going on, says that when this global currency reset finally occurs, nations with little to no gold will have the weakest currencies and is forecasting that the U.S. will need to devalue the international dollar by 80% in order to secure trade and receive imports from nations whose currency is superior to the dollar because of their gold holdings. This would translate into a 400% increase in import prices for the U.S. and he sees a 50-70% reduction in the domestic dollar, resulting in a doubling or 233% increase in costs and payments for everything, which is why, he contends, it is vital to get out of debt as best and as quickly as you can.

Forgive me for doubting the info on Chicago and the reason being the dollar:
D&C 130:12-13
12 I prophesy, in the name of the Lord God, that the commencement of the difficulties which will cause much bloodshed previous to the coming of the Son of Man will be in South Carolina.

13 It may probably arise through the slave question. This a voice declared to me, while I was praying earnestly on the subject, December 25th, 1832.

Now you may be referencing something else and I am mistaken, could you please tell me where you got this?
I don't doubt that much will have to do with the financial system. Today, our money is not backed by even gold or silver. Money is simply an idea, and once people realize it doesn't really exist it will be anarchy.

Phoenixstar117 wrote:

Col. Flagg wrote:Joseph also said that the civil war would begin in the city of Chicago and spread out from there and that the culprit would be the devaluation of our currency. Most Americans are completely unaware what's going on right now financially, especially with regard to the formation of the BRICS nations and their plan/desire to conduct international trade outside the U.S. dollar. This has angered the U.S. and western banking system which began fomenting the unrest we are now seeing in Ukraine in order to attempt to control the vast network of oil/gas pipelines (Gazprom) while also stealing Ukraine's 33 tons of gold since the U.S. violated a global agreement 18 months or so ago for a global currency reset backed by gold. Dr. Jim Willie, a prominent alternative media mogul with a PhD in economics and finance who does talk show and radio interviews about the truth regarding what's really going on, says that when this global currency reset finally occurs, nations with little to no gold will have the weakest currencies and is forecasting that the U.S. will need to devalue the international dollar by 80% in order to secure trade and receive imports from nations whose currency is superior to the dollar because of their gold holdings. This would translate into a 400% increase in import prices for the U.S. and he sees a 50-70% reduction in the domestic dollar, resulting in a doubling or 233% increase in costs and payments for everything, which is why, he contends, it is vital to get out of debt as best and as quickly as you can.

Forgive me for doubting the info on Chicago and the reason being the dollar:
D&C 130:12-13
12 I prophesy, in the name of the Lord God, that the commencement of the difficulties which will cause much bloodshed previous to the coming of the Son of Man will be in South Carolina.

13 It may probably arise through the slave question. This a voice declared to me, while I was praying earnestly on the subject, December 25th, 1832.

Now you may be referencing something else and I am mistaken, could you please tell me where you got this?
I don't doubt that much will have to do with the financial system. Today, our money is not backed by even gold or silver. Money is simply an idea, and once people realize it doesn't really exist it will be anarchy.

Phoenixstar, your quote is pertaining to the first civil war which has already passed.

The previous quote is having to do with a coming war on this land that has been prophesied of that obviously has not yet happened.

marktheshark wrote: Phoenixstar, your quote is pertaining to the first civil war which has already passed.

The previous quote is having to do with a coming war on this land that has been prophesied of that obviously has not yet happened.

I'm aware that mine has to do with the first civil war. I'm just not aware of any others. Could someone point out where I can find the reference for it? I'm actually really interested in finding out.

freedomforall wrote:We are Preparing for Massive Civil War, Says DHS Informant

I can't spend 32 minutes watching that. Who is the "we" this supposed DHS informant says is doing the preparing? The US Government?

freedomforall wrote:We here about a major cleansing in this country. BUT, but, who will do it, God alone, or will it be by way of the wicked finally held accountable for evil by the righteous? Will it be neighbor against neighbor, or a massive number of patriots that say they've had enough?

What do you think the answers to those questions are?

freedomforall wrote:It is apparent that we are so close to completely losing all remnants of freedom and liberty once afforded us by Constitution.

It's actually not that apparent. Many things have changed since 1776. But we're still a remarkably free country. Wouldn't be a good idea to let down our guard of course. Or to pretend something's happening that isn't. Two real bad ideas.

freedomforall wrote:Could the people we think are the good guys, actually be the very ones that turn and rend us?

Like who for instance?

freedomforall wrote:In Vietnam, we had no front line, we had no idea who the enemy was until they were on top of us. A Viet Cong could cut hair by day and throats by night. Is this how it will be here in America?

Probably not. We're still a good ways away from the North Vietnam of the 60's.

freedomforall wrote:Who is, who makes up, who comprises the real enemy that is to be dealt with?

Who is it ffa? You're being very mysterious.

KMC why can't you spare any time to watch any of his videos? Have you brushed up on who Sparta and Athens were? I might suggest you watch the movie "300" to get a somewhat cartoonish, but fairly accurate, intro to one of the greatest battles in history.

Phoenixstar117 wrote:

marktheshark wrote: Phoenixstar, your quote is pertaining to the first civil war which has already passed.

The previous quote is having to do with a coming war on this land that has been prophesied of that obviously has not yet happened.

I'm aware that mine has to do with the first civil war. I'm just not aware of any others. Could someone point out where I can find the reference for it? I'm actually really interested in finding out.

Here's a couple references to such things.


Second Great Rebellion or Chicago Quote - A. Milton Musser papers, LDS Church Archives.

This was a letter from Nephi Packard to A. Milton Musser on July 24, 1896:

"... My brother, Noah Packard, says that he heard the Prophet Joseph say that the next great (U.S. civil) war after the war of the rebellion (the Civil War of the 1860's between the North and the South) would commence in a little town now called Chicago but at that time it would have grown to be a very large city. And another brother told me that the Prophet said that the cause of the next great trouble of the United States would be the depreciation of the currency of the United States. I believe I have given you all the facts in as short and concise manner as possible."

Another quote regarding the Civil War itself comes from an interview by Dr. Poulson with David Whitmer, printed in the Deseret News on Friday, August 16, 1878:

Question: When will the temple be built in Independence?

Answer: Right after the great tribulation is over

Question: What do you mean by that?

Answer: A civil war more bloody and cruel than the rebellion. It will be the smashing up of this nation, about which time the second great work has to be done, a work like Joseph did, and the translation of the sealed plates and peace all over.

Fiannan wrote:KMC why can't you spare any time to watch any of his videos?

I don't enjoy getting information from YouTube. It's annoying on many levels, one of them being that it's just far too time-consuming. And ffa's record being what it is with his YouTube nonsense, it just seemed like a bad bet.

Fiannan wrote:Have you brushed up on who Sparta and Athens were?

No. But if I needed to, I would.

KMC,

Its no mystery that The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

Nothing good has happened! Obamacare, nope, racial tensions, worse, attacking Christians, unbelieveable.

The constitution was written expressly to protect this nation and US from someone like him, the framers never predicted we would be so stupid as to accept a man like him who is effectively neutering the United States of America. This tag team of America haters didn't just shred the Constitution, they declared war on conservatives and conservatism in America.

The dilemma America is facing is ugly, will it lead to a civil war, I don't know, but I do know that "Hope and change" was just the prettied-up means to an end. This administration has violated constitutional law, and I'm not sure how much longer the true Patriots of this country will stand for it.

Bee Prepared wrote:KMC,

Its no mystery that The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

Nothing good has happened! Obamacare, nope, racial tensions, worse, attacking Christians, unbelieveable.

The constitution was written expressly to protect this nation and US from someone like him, the framers never predicted we would be so stupid as to accept a man like him who is effectively neutering the United States of America. This tag team of America haters didn't just shred the Constitution, they declared war on conservatives and conservatism in America.

The dilemma America is facing is ugly, will it lead to a civil war, I don't know, but I do know that "Hope and change" was just the prettied-up means to an end. This administration has violated constitutional law, and I'm not sure how much longer the true Patriots of this country will stand for it.

Obama is the best president since Lincoln! Obama doesn't trash Christians, if so then why did Elder Christoffersen (an Apostle of the Lord) complement him??? Russia is contained! Don't believe all those nasty Youtube videos! Obama is a Constitutional Law professor, so he is incapable of shredding the Constitution because only people like him really understand what it says anyway. You have to realize that the Constitution gives us all a right to welfare and healthcare. It's in the preamble.

//SARCASM END

Bee Prepared wrote:KMC, Its no mystery that The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

In that case we're in good shape. He's an authentic statesman. He's made enormous strides in cleaning up the mess George Bush left behind domestically, and in undoing the damage that swaggering clown did to this country's standing in the world.

Bee Prepared wrote:Nothing good has happened!

You're not paying attention.

Bee Prepared wrote:Obamacare, nope

Obamacare, yes. A very good thing.

Bee Prepared wrote:racial tensions, worse

How is that his fault? Assuming it's true?

Bee Prepared wrote:attacking Christians, unbelieveable

Who is attacking Christians, and why is it Obama's fault?

Bee Prepared wrote:The constitution was written expressly to protect this nation and US from someone like him

It most certainly was not.

Bee Prepared wrote:the framers never predicted we would be so stupid as to accept a man like him who is effectively neutering the United States of America.

They never predicted a lot of things.

Bee Prepared wrote:This tag team of America haters didn't just shred the Constitution, they declared war on conservatives and conservatism in America.

I have real sympathy for your irrational paranoia. Especially when there are so many reasons to feel good about the country these days. And the thing you think is "conservatism" -- isn't. It's narrow-minded, mean-spirited, sanctimonious crap. It's an embarrassment to authentic conservatism, which was once an honorable thing.

Bee Prepared wrote:The dilemma America is facing is ugly, will it lead to a civil war,

Utterly ridiculous.

Bee Prepared wrote:I don't know, but I do know that "Hope and change" was just the prettied-up means to an end.

What end?

Bee Prepared wrote:This administration has violated constitutional law, and I'm not sure how much longer the true Patriots of this country will stand for it.

Specifically what law, and I'm not sure you would know a true Patriot if you came face to face with one. But in case I'm wrong, why don't you share your qualifications for "true Patriot?"

Bee Prepared wrote:KMC,

Its no mystery that The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

Nothing good has happened! Obamacare, nope, racial tensions, worse, attacking Christians, unbelieveable.

The constitution was written expressly to protect this nation and US from someone like him, the framers never predicted we would be so stupid as to accept a man like him who is effectively neutering the United States of America. This tag team of America haters didn't just shred the Constitution, they declared war on conservatives and conservatism in America.

The dilemma America is facing is ugly, will it lead to a civil war, I don't know, but I do know that "Hope and change" was just the prettied-up means to an end. This administration has violated constitutional law, and I'm not sure how much longer the true Patriots of this country will stand for it.

It's okay Bee, we have among us many people that claim all is well in Zion. They refuse to awaken their faculties to the secret combinations thriving among us. They turn and rend the deliverer of warning and call their message nonsense. There must be a title or descriptive name for people like that.

KMCopeland wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:KMC, Its no mystery that The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.

In that case we're in good shape. He's an authentic statesman. He's made enormous strides in cleaning up the mess George Bush left behind domestically, and in undoing the damage that swaggering clown did to this country's standing in the world.

Bee Prepared wrote:Nothing good has happened!

You're not paying attention.

Bee Prepared wrote:Obamacare, nope

Obamacare, yes. A very good thing.

Bee Prepared wrote:racial tensions, worse

How is that his fault? Assuming it's true?

Bee Prepared wrote:attacking Christians, unbelieveable

Who is attacking Christians, and why is it Obama's fault?

Bee Prepared wrote:The constitution was written expressly to protect this nation and US from someone like him

It most certainly was not.

Bee Prepared wrote:the framers never predicted we would be so stupid as to accept a man like him who is effectively neutering the United States of America.

They never predicted a lot of things.

Bee Prepared wrote:This tag team of America haters didn't just shred the Constitution, they declared war on conservatives and conservatism in America.

I have real sympathy for your irrational paranoia. Especially when there are so many reasons to feel good about the country these days. And the thing you think is "conservatism" -- isn't. It's narrow-minded, mean-spirited, sanctimonious crap. It's an embarrassment to authentic conservatism, which was once an honorable thing.

Bee Prepared wrote:The dilemma America is facing is ugly, will it lead to a civil war,

Utterly ridiculous.

Bee Prepared wrote:I don't know, but I do know that "Hope and change" was just the prettied-up means to an end.

What end?

Bee Prepared wrote:This administration has violated constitutional law, and I'm not sure how much longer the true Patriots of this country will stand for it.

Specifically what law, and I'm not sure you would know a true Patriot if you came face to face with one. But in case I'm wrong, why don't you share your qualifications for "true Patriot?"

Not wanting to get political but Obama is worse than Bush, who was terrible in his own many ways.

The corruption of government is obvious, from head to toe, with few honest, honorable men in between.

At least Clinton and Bush were "real" and sincere in their convictions and attitudes, and people knew exactly where they stood. Obama's the opposite. He rarely comes across as believing what comes out of his mouth. The foreign leaders snub him when he reaches to shake their hands because he's completely fake and receives the respect of nobody except for those blinded by political party affiliation or identity.

This fool chastises the Europeans for their lack of accommodating Muslim citizens two days after France was ambushed and their citizens were murdered in the name of Allah. What a jerk, and he was wrong about it. Subsequently, 5 different European countries have found and arrested several dozen Islamic terrorists actively plotting terrorist attacks. What does Obama do? He blames not the Muslims but the Europeans. A complete idiot. Come off it, Obama is a wretched, slithering snake in the grass.

BTW, his policies are completely socialist in nature and promotes everything that President Benson was very vocal and loud in raising a warning against. Obama is not an authentic statesman. He's the fakest and least authentic president this nation has ever elected by a significant and obvious amount. I'm shocked anyone would define him as authentic.

Sorry if this offends you, but anyone who seeks to defend this guy is either a blithering fool, is as guilty of bring a snake or completely blinded by his craftiness.

I'm not a democrat, I'm not a republican, nor do I identify with any one political party or group. I pray the judgments of God come swiftly and harshly against the corruption that enslaves the people and has persecuted and destroyed policies that promote righteousness and prosperity as God intends.

Challenging you KMC, is like going into the pig pen and demanding cleanliness.

The principles of true patriotism -- country above self, responsible stewardship, equality, shared sacrifice and service.

One thing I can recognize without coming FACE TO FACE, is an intellectual coward.

Bee Prepared wrote:Challenging you KMC, is like going into the pig pen and demanding cleanliness.

The principles of true patriotism -- country above self, responsible stewardship, equality, shared sacrifice and service.

One thing I can recognize without coming FACE TO FACE, is an intellectual coward.

We always have to consider the source, Bee. I'm certain there are many forum members wondering what makes an Obama lover tick. It's been proven time and time again of Obama's treason and bypassing congress with his executive orders to the detriment of the country. Yet some people refuse to accept the facts and cling to their own narrow paradigm by calling facts...nonsense.
We have been warned to wake up and not let secret combinations get above us. Have the saints done this? We have been warned of tyrannical government taking over. Have we done anything to negate it? Obamacare is tyrannical in its very nature, a socialistic action. People are forced to get it or pay heavy tax penalties. I sorry, but this is not freedom, rather, it is a government forcing its will on others, the act of taking from one group and giving it to another by coercion and threats.
And we still have to ask ourselves why the DHS bought millions of rounds of ammo, (and I may be conservative in that number.) Americans better be on their toes over this one. There's not much more our government fears than an armed citizenry. People in the UK say we'd be nuts to give up our arms. They know now they made a huge mistake in doing so.

When the lights go out in big American cities you see violence and looting. And this is when most people in the country are well-fed and have jobs.

When the economy collapses and the lights go out everywhere, and food is in short supply due to the interruption of the national infrastructure, it will make "The Walking Dead" look like a Especially for Youth conference.

With 18,600,000 vacant homes in America and growing, with millions of homeless American individuals and families, possibly growing as well, something is going to give way eventually.

But if wise leaders make wise choices, great good can come about.

I would like to hope that the leaders of Ephraim could set this example of exactly how God has said to treat the poor among us. ♡ ♡

Why the constant lust after someone else's property?

No desire for others properties, as I have sufficient for my wants and needs.

I desire to see the Scriptures written of the words of God given fullfilled of the redemption of Zion upon this earth. ♡ ♡

No poor among us, by the freewill distribution of the surplus wealth beyond that needed for the richest among us, as God has said. ♡ ♡

idahommie wrote:Why the constant lust after someone else's property?

If I understand Robert's position, he advocates the voluntary sharing of our abundance with those who don't have a place to live. And he's right -- it's absolutely what Jesus taught.


I think homelessness, and near-homelessness, is a disgrace in a great nation. I'd really love to see eliminating it made a priority in Washington.

Our illustrious POTUS may just have created less jobs, an increase of homelessness and poverty because there are people that cannot afford Obamacare, or the tax penalties imposed on them by not having it. The same crap as a person goes through upon getting a parking ticket. It's all revenue. And do we think that all poor people can pay out these penalties. And how many would be jailed for not complying?
Now there's charity for ya!

KMCopeland wrote:

idahommie wrote:Why the constant lust after someone else's property?

If I understand Robert's position, he advocates the voluntary sharing of our abundance with those who don't have a place to live. And he's right -- it's absolutely what Jesus taught.


I think homelessness, and near-homelessness, is a disgrace in a great nation. I'd really love to see eliminating it made a priority in Washington.

Agreed, how would you do it?