LDS Freedom Forum

Currently if you are someone who has gotten to the point where you own a dozen homes, or more, and you decide that maybe you would like to just give a few to some homeless families, the tax code is written, where if the value of the home is above the maximum gift value allowed, you can be assessed a tax penalty, and the poor given the home.

The tax code needs to be amended, to allow for a deduction, for the giver, and no penalties for the poor and needy families, given these homes.

This discourages giving homes to the poor, the way the tax code currently exists, even to churches, for why give a poor person a home if they don't have sufficient to pay the tax penalty.

Change the code to where the rich can get a deduction, and all the tax accountants, and tax lawyers, will then begin to inform their clients about this, and if the poor are not penalized either, this could begin to get some of the 18,600,000 vacant homes, given away to the poor in this nation.

In order to get these changes made Senator Orrin Hatch who is a Mormon, and Senator Ron Wyden who is a Jew, would need to work together, on the tax committee for the United States Congress, that they both sit on.

Both of these men have been known to work together to make changes, to the tax code, even though of opposing parties, since Hatch is a Republican, and Wyden is a Democrat.

If sound reasonable Scriptures written are placed before these men, showing that this is the commandment of God, to give covenants and deeds into the hands of the poor and needy, and the tax code needs to be amended to allow for this, without any tax penalties, but to even encourage giving with tax deductions, for so doing, slowly but surely homes would begin to be given into the hands of the poor and needy among us.

So contact these men and the other members of Congress on this tax committee, like Senator Mike Crapo of Idaho, and suggest these changes and the Scriptures written that say this is the most righteous thing you can do, of Tzedakah or the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. ♡ ♡

Fiannan wrote:

KMCopeland wrote:

idahommie wrote:Why the constant lust after someone else's property?

If I understand Robert's position, he advocates the voluntary sharing of our abundance with those who don't have a place to live. And he's right -- it's absolutely what Jesus taught.I think homelessness, and near-homelessness, is a disgrace in a great nation. I'd really love to see eliminating it made a priority in Washington.

Agreed, how would you do it?

All the reasons people don't have decent homes boil down to the fact that they can't afford it. I'd like to see policy changes that make the American Dream available again. A higher minimum wage is probably the place to begin.

A maximum cap as well on the salary and pension programs of the servants of our Government ought to be considered as well as this can drive this nation deep into debt as well. ♡ ♡

These high salary and pensions, taking funds away for programs to assist the poor and needy among us into homes. ♡ ♡

A higher minimum wage is probably the place to begin.

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

How about going back to the beginning with the law unto the children of Israel that the poor were to be lent to at zero interest. That would make housing more affordable on a 30-50 year loan. And definitely allow for a jubilee of freedom from debt on these homes after 50 years. ♡ ♡

The monthly payment on a $100,000.00 loan over 50 years would only run about $166.00 per month. ♡ ♡

But the laborer in Zion shall labor for Zion; for if they labor for money, they shall perish.

I agree let's do this. Let's labor to make it happen.

Amending the tax code to allow for gifts to be given tax free and even with encouragement of a deduction for giving directly to the poor as can be proven with covenants and deeds that cannot be broken.

And for the Congress of the United States of America to pass legislation for zero interest home loans to the poor and needy among us for 30-50 year terms.

Love it. ♡ ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:A maximum cap as well on the salary and pension programs of the servants of our Government ought to be considered as well as this can drive this nation deep into debt as well. ♡ ♡

These high salary and pensions, taking funds away for programs to assist the poor and needy among us into homes. ♡ ♡

The truth is Robert, government employees really don't make the kinds of salaries you hear rumors that they do. Even the president makes a small amount, compared to what a CEO of a corporation with 300 million stockholders would make in the private sector. Don't get me wrong -- that's how it should be. Just a little perspective.


The thing that really takes money away from programs to assist the poor and needy among us is corporate welfare, and obscenely unfair income tax breaks for the 1%. If we got rid of corporate subsidies, and if those two groups paid the same taxes as the rest of us do, there'd be more than enough money to make sure nobody goes homeless or hungry in this country, ever again.

Sounds like paths to work on to get established, as it is written to pursue and do. ♡ ♡

marktheshark wrote:At least Clinton and Bush were "real" and sincere in their convictions and attitudes, and people knew exactly where they stood. Obama's the opposite. He rarely comes across as believing what comes out of his mouth.

Many people feel differently than you do. Many, many people. If you're good at math, and you know that 120,000,000 people voted in the last election, and you also know that he won by 6,000,000 votes, do the math and you'll have an idea of just how many people feel differently about him than you do. (It's a big number.)

marktheshark wrote:The foreign leaders snub him when he reaches to shake their hands because he's completely fake and receives the respect of nobody except for those blinded by political party affiliation or identity.

Tell me which foreign leader has snubbed him when he tried to shake their hand -- and then tell me how you came to know why they did it.

marktheshark wrote:This fool chastises the Europeans for their lack of accommodating Muslim citizens two days after France was ambushed and their citizens were murdered in the name of Allah. What a jerk, and he was wrong about it.

Funny, I remember him roundly condemning those Muslim terrorists. Called them "cowardly and evil" as I remember. What was he wrong about? That?

marktheshark wrote:Subsequently, 5 different European countries have found and arrested several dozen Islamic terrorists actively plotting terrorist attacks. What does Obama do? He blames not the Muslims but the Europeans.

Can you substantiate that?

marktheshark wrote:Obama is a wretched, slithering snake in the grass.

You've substantiated that opinion very poorly.

marktheshark wrote:BTW, his policies are completely socialist in nature

So ridiculous.


"Worst. Socialist. Ever.

In 2004, a Bush cabinet official said job creation and GDP numbers matter, but “the stock market is … the final arbiter” of economic success. If that’s true, eight years later, Republicans ought to be awfully impressed with President Obama.

Through Friday, since Mr. Obama’s inauguration – his first 1,368 days in office – the Dow Jones industrial average has gained 67.9 percent. That’s an extremely strong performance – the fifth best for an equivalent period among all American presidents since 1900 ...

In the last half-century, the president who’s overseen the strongest performance on Wall Street was Bill Clinton. The second best? Barack Obama, easily ...

This suggests Obama is the worst socialist of all time. A soaring stock market, record high corporate profits, private sector job growth … it’s almost as if the president didn’t listen to Karl Marx at all ..."

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marktheshark wrote:He's the fakest and least authentic president this nation has ever elected by a significant and obvious amount.

Break out of that right wing noise machine bubble. Your impression of the real world is badly skewed.

marktheshark wrote:Sorry if this offends you, but anyone who seeks to defend this guy is either a blithering fool, is as guilty of bring a snake or completely blinded by his craftiness.

There are many more choices than that. But you do have a point (sort of), and that is that we can't both be right.


And I'm not offended in the slightest.

Once again...I have to interject a thought...KMCopeland knows that I am a conservative...but I am embarrassed by SOME of the people who appear to be on the conservative side of the scale who rant and rave about things that they have no way to know or prove. Can't we just debate ideas without chopping people up in little bits? Absolutely no one knows what is in another persons heart or mind unless that person tells him. I have often been pleasantly surprised at what comes out of intelligent and caring conversation. Heaven help me...I actually know some Democrats that I really, really like!

natasha wrote:Once again...I have to interject a thought...KMCopeland knows that I am a conservative...but I am embarrassed by SOME of the people who appear to be on the conservative side of the scale who rant and rave about things that they have no way to know or prove. Can't we just debate ideas without chopping people up in little bits? Absolutely no one knows what is in another persons heart or mind unless that person tells him. I have often been pleasantly surprised at what comes out of intelligent and caring conversation. Heaven help me...I actually know some Democrats that I really, really like!

Natasha,

Its difficult not to rant and rave about a President who stirs outrage with his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast Thursday, comparing the atrocities committed by ISIS to those of Christians. What's with the ancient history being used as a comparison to the current behavior of Islam?

For someone who is always professing that he wants to 'move ahead', move forward into the 21st century, but he seems to be moving backward some 900 years to justify his muslim brothers' killing of Christians.

Why is he genuflecting to Islam? Why does he constantly excuse the barbarity and subversive behavior of Muslims? What is his agenda? It does not seem to be the interests of America.

He told Americans how he really feels about Christians. What else does America need to hear from him before they see the truth about this imposter.

And yes, I believe we will see a civil war before this is over. ( ranting and raving over, Sorry Natasha,)

Bee Prepared wrote:

natasha wrote:Once again...I have to interject a thought...KMCopeland knows that I am a conservative...but I am embarrassed by SOME of the people who appear to be on the conservative side of the scale who rant and rave about things that they have no way to know or prove. Can't we just debate ideas without chopping people up in little bits? Absolutely no one knows what is in another persons heart or mind unless that person tells him. I have often been pleasantly surprised at what comes out of intelligent and caring conversation. Heaven help me...I actually know some Democrats that I really, really like!

Natasha,

Its difficult not to rant and rave about a President who stirs outrage with his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast Thursday, comparing the atrocities committed by ISIS to those of Christians. What's with the ancient history being used as a comparison to the current behavior of Islam?

For someone who is always professing that he wants to 'move ahead', move forward into the 21st century, but he seems to be moving backward some 900 years to justify his muslim brothers' killing of Christians.

Why is he genuflecting to Islam? Why does he constantly excuse the barbarity and subversive behavior of Muslims? What is his agenda? It does not seem to be the interests of America.

He told Americans how he really feels about Christians. What else does America need to hear from him before they see the truth about this imposter.

And yes, I believe we will see a civil war before this is over. ( ranting and raving over, Sorry Natasha,)

+1

And when it comes to the topic of separation of church and state, if the Muslim faith were to advocated as the one true faith to be practiced, then this would clearly be another violation of the Constitution. Islam has all but taken over in the UK. SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_t ... ed_Kingdom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Islam in United Kingdom is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population.

And here is Obama making a grave pronouncement and mocking the bible:

DIRECTOR IN CHARGE OF FOOD BANK SAYS, FUNDING CUT OFF FOR FOOD BANKS AND GIVEN TO DHS- AND SAID IT WAS ON PURPOSE-HE EXPECTS RIOTS TO ENSUE
Hello Steve,
I am on the board for a major national non profit organization. A large component of our ministry is giving out food boxes to the needy. This usually includes the working poor and sometimes homeless people. At this point with the economy we give to anyone who asks. We typically give out between 80-120 food boxes a day. The boxes have enough food for a family of 5 to live on for a week.
Most of the funding for the food program comes from FEMA. FEMA has a budgeted amount nationwide that they give to a handful of non profits specifically for food distribution for the needy. Most food banks get their money from this fund.
The budgeted amount of money we have received over the last several years has continued to decrease. Last week we were told by the FEMA rep that we will receive one more installment in the next couple of months, and then the fund will be terminated- NATIONWIDE! Guess where this money is being reallocated to? Homeland security!! The FEMA rep told us that directly.

They told us that the money that was budgeted nationwide for FEMA for food distribution that funded most food banks, and other non profits that feed the poor was being redirected to homeland security and that these organizations will not be getting money in the future. The director in charge of our non profit looked at me and said "this is on purpose, and will start food riots."

Food banks supply a large amount of food that many non profit organizations rely on to help the needy. Can you imagine what will happen when these major food distribution centers nationwide have no money to buy food to distribute to the organizations that provide food to the poor?

I thought you would be interested in this information that came straight from the source. Feel free to share it however you want, if you want...

Danny-2/11/15

Feb 11, 2015

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I thought the FEDs getting out of welfare is a good thing.

Robert Sinclair wrote:I agree let's do this. Let's labor to make it happen.

Amending the tax code to allow for gifts to be given tax free and even with encouragement of a deduction for giving directly to the poor as can be proven with covenants and deeds that cannot be broken.

And for the Congress of the United States of America to pass legislation for zero interest home loans to the poor and needy among us for 30-50 year terms.

Love it. ♡ ♡

While I love the idea, the problem I can forsee is inflation. It's a lose situation for the banks to loan with 0% interest. Is there a solution to that?

The problem with a minimum wage is that there is one! People with no skill, talents, or abilities should only be paid what they are worth. Perhaps they should pay the employer to hire them and teach them something.

We never should have eliminated racial profiling. Since mainly Muslims hijack planes or wear explosive vests, these people should be screened extensively.

Welfare and food stamps has created a class of dependents whose value as humans are now in question. They have nothing to offer society except threats if their demands are not met.

Illegal aliens hate the Constitution and freedom that requires responsibility.

The civil war will be between patriots and the above people that hate America, God, freedom, morality, and all things praiseworthy or of good report.

light-one wrote:The problem with a minimum wage is that there is one! People with no skill, talents, or abilities should only be paid what they are worth. Perhaps they should pay the employer to hire them and teach them something.

We never should have eliminated racial profiling. Since mainly Muslims hijack planes or wear explosive vests, these people should be screened extensively.

Welfare and food stamps has created a class of dependents whose value as humans are now in question. They have nothing to offer society except threats if their demands are not met.

Illegal aliens hate the Constitution and freedom that requires responsibility.

The civil war will be between patriots and the above people that hate America, God, freedom, morality, and all things praiseworthy or of good report.

The false patriotism they warned us about a couple of conferences back?

There are two kinds of patriots as you know. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Of course, there are two kinds of about everything. Even only two churches...

light-one wrote:There are two kinds of patriots as you know. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Of course, there are two kinds of about everything. Even only two churches...

Just make sure you to cling to your first love.

light-one wrote:There are two kinds of patriots as you know. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Of course, there are two kinds of about everything. Even only two churches...

And voting for the lesser of --->two<--- evils. One evil + one evil = evil, any way we slice it.

Bee Prepared wrote:Its difficult not to rant and rave about a President who stirs outrage with his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast Thursday,

"Stirs outrage?" This is a bad thing?

Bee Prepared wrote:comparing the atrocities committed by ISIS to those of Christians. What's with the ancient history being used as a comparison to the current behavior of Islam?

I think it's supposed to make you think. That's what speakers usually intend, when they use an example from history to make a point.

Bee Prepared wrote:For someone who is always professing that he wants to 'move ahead', move forward into the 21st century, but he seems to be moving backward some 900 years

So you better not ever say anything about anything that's not in the future if you want to move ahead, right?

Bee Prepared wrote:to justify his muslim brothers' killing of Christians.

You really do tip your hand when you say "his muslim brothers."

Bee Prepared wrote:Why is he genuflecting to Islam?

He's never done that. With everything you say, you strengthen the thesis that you really don't listen to much of anything that he says. You listen to what right wing haters tell you he said. You should probably think of a better way.

Bee Prepared wrote:Why does he constantly excuse the barbarity and subversive behavior of Muslims?

Ditto above.

Bee Prepared wrote:What is his agenda? It does not seem to be the interests of America.

And again.

Bee Prepared wrote:He told Americans how he really feels about Christians.

Yes he did. Apparently you missed that too.

Bee Prepared wrote:What else does America need to hear from him before they see the truth about this imposter.

He could cure the sick, raise the dead, turn water into wine and walk on water and you'd still hate his guts. The truth? I don't think you care much about the truth at all.

Bee Prepared wrote:And yes, I believe we will see a civil war before this is over.

Before all what is over?

KMCopeland wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:Its difficult not to rant and rave about a President who stirs outrage with his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast Thursday,

"Stirs outrage?" This is a bad thing?

Bee Prepared wrote:comparing the atrocities committed by ISIS to those of Christians. What's with the ancient history being used as a comparison to the current behavior of Islam?

I think it's supposed to make you think. That's what speakers usually intend, when they use an example from history to make a point.

Bee Prepared wrote:For someone who is always professing that he wants to 'move ahead', move forward into the 21st century, but he seems to be moving backward some 900 years

So you better not ever say anything about anything that's not in the future if you want to move ahead, right?

Bee Prepared wrote:to justify his muslim brothers' killing of Christians.

You really do tip your hand when you say "his muslim brothers."

Bee Prepared wrote:Why is he genuflecting to Islam?

He's never done that. With everything you say, you strengthen the thesis that you really don't listen to much of anything that he says. You listen to what right wing haters tell you he said. You should probably think of a better way.

Bee Prepared wrote:Why does he constantly excuse the barbarity and subversive behavior of Muslims?

Ditto above.

Bee Prepared wrote:What is his agenda? It does not seem to be the interests of America.

And again.

Bee Prepared wrote:He told Americans how he really feels about Christians.

Yes he did. Apparently you missed that too.

Bee Prepared wrote:What else does America need to hear from him before they see the truth about this imposter.

He could cure the sick, raise the dead, turn water into wine and walk on water and you'd still hate his guts. The truth? I don't think you care much about the truth at all.

Bee Prepared wrote:And yes, I believe we will see a civil war before this is over.

Before all what is over?

KMC,

You have unwittingly revealed yourself with this comparison to Christ.

quote]He could cure the sick, raise the dead, turn water into wine and walk on water[/quote]

You are obviously dazed and unable to think clearly, swayed by his smooth, race-neutral double-talk of change and hope. This President is being criticized for doing exactly the opposite of what he said he was going to do when he was a candidate.

I've noticed that each and every time you're faced with an inconvenient fact like this, you take 1 of 2 approaches:

1. You deflect

2. You ignore the issues, Both of these approaches highlight the weaknesses in your argument. Someone with a strong argument could defend that argument truthfully, include all the opposing arguments and explain (with facts) why they are not valid.

KMCopeland wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:Its difficult not to rant and rave about a President who stirs outrage with his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast Thursday,

"Stirs outrage?" This is a bad thing?

Bee Prepared wrote:comparing the atrocities committed by ISIS to those of Christians. What's with the ancient history being used as a comparison to the current behavior of Islam?

I think it's supposed to make you think. That's what speakers usually intend, when they use an example from history to make a point.

Bee Prepared wrote:For someone who is always professing that he wants to 'move ahead', move forward into the 21st century, but he seems to be moving backward some 900 years

So you better not ever say anything about anything that's not in the future if you want to move ahead, right?

Bee Prepared wrote:to justify his muslim brothers' killing of Christians.

You really do tip your hand when you say "his muslim brothers."

Bee Prepared wrote:Why is he genuflecting to Islam?

He's never done that. With everything you say, you strengthen the thesis that you really don't listen to much of anything that he says. You listen to what right wing haters tell you he said. You should probably think of a better way.

Bee Prepared wrote:Why does he constantly excuse the barbarity and subversive behavior of Muslims?

Ditto above.

Bee Prepared wrote:What is his agenda? It does not seem to be the interests of America.

And again.

Bee Prepared wrote:He told Americans how he really feels about Christians.

Yes he did. Apparently you missed that too.

Bee Prepared wrote:What else does America need to hear from him before they see the truth about this imposter.

He could cure the sick, raise the dead, turn water into wine and walk on water and you'd still hate his guts. The truth? I don't think you care much about the truth at all.

Bee Prepared wrote:And yes, I believe we will see a civil war before this is over.

Before all what is over?

Elder Christofferson (of the 12) saw the talk and said that he liked the humble tone of the president. I saw the speech in its entirety and it is unfortunate that there was a 30 second soundbite that was blown up to huge proportions. That is on his facebook page.

Advantage: Apostle.

But I will say that Obama should have made a better example than that, and instead of using the Christian example, come out with Muslim voices that are condemning and rejecting ISIS (and there are several).