LDS Freedom Forum

Obrien wrote:seriously bro jonathan, what am I supposed to do with this post? at the risk of sounding dismissive, at first blush you seem nuttier than a fruitcake.

eta -how does posting random comments on Deseret News website add to the credibility of your message? You seem double nuts, especially after I followed your links... :-\ :-\

Obrien wrote:I went back and reviewed some of his earlier posts. I stand by my original comment.
Obrien out.

Muerte Rosa wrote:For me it wasn't the content of what he was saying that was off. It was the chaotic way in which he displayed it in his post. I couldn't make sense of it. Couldn't tell what things were his words or quotes from others....that's very confusing. But because i couldn't even made sense of that i didn't know where to even start looking....he may not be nutty but for me the post seemed like it was posted by someone who was really hyper and excited and in a hurry and just BLEAHHHH ....submit.

brotherJonathan wrote:Let me help you with your understanding of what I was asking LDS leadership to confirm.
Is Satan; instinct mechanism, a creation of God to operate each life form independent/autonomous, the brains actually running operations in the invisible to our eyes/comprehension, they are too advanced or invisible and doing this without moral judgment. So we could have our choices and opposition to test us children of God.

All life forms from cells to you have a instinct mechanism operating.
Unknown force that makes you hungry, or want sex, drives Monarch butterflies on their 3000 mile journey both to and from Mexico.
Where they have never been before. So they did not know the trip from experience.
Unlearned behaviors.
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This instinctual force that directs survival........is logical and intelligent and clearly without moral judgment.
Science says this force created itself and has no real theory on how it operates.
If this force drives sexual attraction, and all other survival based activities: then you can understand it is real.
If religion describes Satan as the force that tempts you with sexual desires and other survival based wants or needs.
Then you should be able to deduce that Satan tempting us all with sexual desires, not necessarily toward ones wife or husband,
then the parallel should be obvious........Satan is doing the same job as instinct does. Makes you want to have sex and money with power.
And other desires of the flesh often described as what Satan tempts you with.
And if your wants are not controlled with moral oversight, then you just take or cheat and that would be natural if you did not know right from wrong, like mountain hot spring monkeys that don't allow any one outside of their family or group to get warm, the light of Christ, helps you to know when you do wrong. Those monkeys don't know they are doing wrong, it is just survival logic making them greedy and denying outsiders the benefits. When there is plenty of room for all to warm themselves and help their survival to be advantaged too.

We are behaving as mountain monkeys in specific area, those areas are involved in status quo for the group......and world because of interconnection of information shared.

Does this sound like a nut to you?
What I offer is understanding of true reality.
Instinct mechanism/Satan has power to block your awareness of wrong doing, or silence where if you were moral creatures you would not be silent to wrongs done to others, you would care enough to open your mouths, within your sphere of actions to do something.
What I am telling you is this......If you understood that Satan is instinct and operating your choices for you, you would understand why you don't care if Corporate bribery using share holder's money is an easy concept to grasp.........because that bribery use is ingrained in status quo operations for the group....300 million and so you don't really have awareness of your immoral participation in constitutional equality violations........it just doesn't seem that bad.
You see if there wasn't Satan to direct your mind, giving you some choices, but not nearly as many as you are led to believe, you would be moral human beings instead mostly moral when it doesn't risk to much.
Satan/instinct mechanism is constructing reality for you every moment of your life.
Reading these words and turning them into symbols and understanding them with logic............it is done for you.

Your problem is trying to understand the concepts and proofs I write. While these words are attacking your belief systems and the supporting logic they function with; instinct mechanism/Satan.
Do you get it? I should not be able to tell you these truth of operations. It is directly against the authority of your operator, your personal copy of Satan ... directing all the other little copies running the cells and systems in your body as a whole organism.

Instinct does not want you learning or messing with its authority over your survival decisions. Each one of them is so far advanced to us, their hosts. It is a good thing they obey the rules set up for them to operate. Thank you God.
Or we would just be biological mechanisms, driven by robots entities, without any real choices and never find out the truth of life. What is operating our minds.

I have many science based proofs. One of my favorite is the survey for PhD. Psychologists/professors and for IBM Watson to answer.
It is just a question.
"Is Instinct Mechanism An Artificial Intelligence Program?"...

For Watson, a simple Yes or No. or True or Not True.
For Professors I added- True or Not True and Probably True , Probably Not True.......so they could have more room to answer the question of instinct's deliver system.
((Not one of over 200 PhD. Psychologist could say true or not true.))
and even more interesting is that IBM Watson team leader;

Dr. Jeffery Welser, responded to my request on the 7 word question.
By email, he had me file an IBM release form so I could get my question asked. That was in May 2014.
Then he or any other of Watson's team members would not return my emails or phone calls.
I offered to pay IBM. Do you understand what I am presenting yet?
Instinctual triggered reaction is blocking the sharing of my research question...........
Tomorrow you call !...
..IBM Watson V.P. of research - Dr. Jeffrey Welser, [email protected] +1 408 927 2400
and ask for Watson's response to my one question..............Watson could say no......but since I did sign the release form and have proof of that too? (the answer most probably is yes, like 99.999% yes.)
Does your logic allow for the truth of this situation? This information is being blocked from confirmation or rejection by scientific method.
And the only thing that could be doing this action, individually and as a group of people is our instinct mechanism.

No instinct mechanism, no life, you would have no idea how to operate your systems or have access to memories , etc.

Why would I call it artificial?..............because it is a copy, perfectly exact copy of the original instinct mechanism that was operating the first cell........when it divides the new cell has a fully operational instinct mechanism running the show for its autonomous existence.

There are two types of intelligence I know of... learned from experience, and when you copy a hard drive; software, data and operating system, it is the same type of actions when you get new division of life forms..
brother J- the glory of God is intelligence. It is also light and truth.

This is all about logic, use of facts and applying them with intelligent conclusions/probabilities.

Just try asking a professor of psychology at the U. of Utah or BYU if instinct is an artificial intelligence program.
You might say, no it isn't. But you are not aware of the operations going on in your sub-conscious mind and those experts do.

May God bless your search for truths.
Sincerely, (7 universities with access to ask Watson, and they won't type in the Q&A either)
Jonathan L. Peterson
Behavior Research for Humanity LLC.
3670 S. Red Maple Rd.
Salt Lake City, UT 84106 208-650-1346 ph. (or P.O. Box 802, SLC,UT 84101) [email protected]
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100+ professors can't open their mouths and state what they believe because Instinct runs the show.
HARDWIRED HUMAN INSTINCTUAL BEHAVIOR IS:
1_____ An artificial intelligence program of advanced design*.
2_____ Unsure still, but leaning toward the theories presented in instinct being an A.I.*.
3_____ Pretty sure Instinct is not an artificial intelligence program, but (more research is needed.*)
4_____ I am sure instinctual behaviors is not an artificial intelligence mechanism. (no research is needed)
Thank you for your time in answering this important question.
If you would like to add your opinion to your answer, this would be appreciated very much.
Opinion
Name_______________________sign/email__________________________________

Moses 4 wrote: 1 And I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.

2 But, behold, my Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto me—Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.

3 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;

4 And he became Satan [prior to this he was simply lucifer], yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.

Mosiah 3:19 wrote: For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man

2 Nephi 2:29 wrote: And not choose eternal death, according to the will of the flesh and the evil which is therein, which giveth the spirit of the devil power to captivate, to bring you down to hell, that he may reign over you in his own kingdom.