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Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 2:36 pm
by SAM
I know that while there is no one on here (that I know of) that supports pornography, there are definitely varying opinions on how dangerous it is, or how much we should worry about or put emphasis on avoiding it. This video of Ted Bundy's final interview certainly indicates to me that the potential danger of porn is huge and, while we shouldn't put people to shame who are steeped in a porn problem, we also shouldn't be turning a blind eye to it and saying that men can't help themselves. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this after watching the video.

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I do want to make it clear that I don't think all porn addicts will turn into serial killers. However, the desensitization that happens when someone is repeatedly exposed to porn is a major concern for me. I want to teach my children, the best I can, the dangers of it so when they do encounter it, and I know they will, they'll know how to combat it. I guess this is weighing heavily on my mind since not only did I watch this short interview, but I read something about how terrible 50 Shades of Grey is and it's one of those days that I really fear for the world my children are going to be exposed to. Makes me think we aren't too far from the deprivation described in Moroni 9.

Thoughts?

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 3:37 pm
by marc
Whoa. I thought for a second that Fiannan had started this topic. Color me surprised. :-o

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 4:37 pm
by buffalo_girl
Makes me think we aren't too far from the deprivation described in Moroni 9.

Thoughts?

You have good reason to be gravely concerned.

Our youngest son was exposed to pornography beginning when he was only five at the house of people we thought were 'friends'. Without going into detail, his friend's father encouraged this and taught him to keep it a secret. Nearly, 30 years later we are just beginning to fully comprehend the extent of trauma this has had on our son's mind and spirit.

Without the LORD's sustaining love throughout these years and His power to ultimately heal him, I believe our son's life was literally destroyed.

Advanced mind control technology utilizes exposure to pornography in conjunction with sexual abuse as a means of fragmenting developing personalities.

Ted Bundy's last interview should be taken very seriously by everyone!

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 4:47 pm
by Thomas
Porn is damaging, no doubt but Bundy was looking for something to blame other then himself. If porn caused serial killers than this country would be nothing but serial killers. A recent study could not find one adult male in the industrialized world that had not been exposed to it. Further more it is available at the touch of a button so it is highly accessible. That means millions of men have the ability to say no to it. That means hundreds of millions of men have viewed porn and went on to live good and productive lives. Every good man you will every see has viewed porn at one time or another.

Bundy is pathetic and won't take responsibility for his own behavior.

As someone once said, fill yourself with light and truth and all that will fall to the wayside.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 5:42 pm
by buffalo_girl
As someone once said, fill yourself with light and truth and all that will fall to the wayside.

Rather a glib view. You must not be impacted.

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The proposed DSM-5, slated to publish in May of 2014, contains in this new addition the diagnosis of Hypersexual Disorder, which includes problematic, compulsive pornography use.[1] Bostwick and Bucci, in their report out of the Mayo Clinic on treating Internet pornography addiction with naltrexone, wrote “…cellular adaptations in the (pornography) addict’s PFC result in increased salience of drug-associated stimuli, decreased salience of non-drug stimuli, and decreased interest in pursuing goal-directed activities central to survival.”[3]

In 2006 world pornography revenue was 97 billion dollars, more than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple, and Netflix combined.[14] This is no casual, inconsequential phenomenon, yet there is a tendency to trivialize the possible social and biologic effects of pornography. The sex industry has successfully characterized any objection to pornography as being from the religious/moral perspective; they then dismiss these objections as First Amendment infringements. If pornography addiction is viewed objectively, evidence indicates that it does indeed cause harm in humans with regard to pair-bonding.[2] The correlation (85%) between viewing child pornography and participating in actual sexual relations with children was demonstrated by Bourke and Hernandez.[4] The difficulty in objective peer-reviewed discussion of this topic is again illustrated by the attempted suppression of this data on social grounds.[15] The recent meta-analysis by Hald et al. strongly supports and clarifies previous data demonstrating correlation with regard to pornography inducing violence attitudes against women.[10] With such strong correlative data, it is irresponsible not to address the likely possibility of causation in these regards. Reviewing this data in the context of current usage patterns is particularly concerning; 87% of college age men view pornography, 50% weekly and 20 daily or every other day, with 31% of women viewing as well.[5] The predictive effect of pornography on sexual behavior in adolescents has also been demonstrated.[6]

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 5:52 pm
by Thomas
buffalo_girl wrote:
As someone once said, fill yourself with light and truth and all that will fall to the wayside.

Rather a glib view. You must not be impacted.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3050060/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The proposed DSM-5, slated to publish in May of 2014, contains in this new addition the diagnosis of Hypersexual Disorder, which includes problematic, compulsive pornography use.[1] Bostwick and Bucci, in their report out of the Mayo Clinic on treating Internet pornography addiction with naltrexone, wrote “…cellular adaptations in the (pornography) addict’s PFC result in increased salience of drug-associated stimuli, decreased salience of non-drug stimuli, and decreased interest in pursuing goal-directed activities central to survival.”[3]

In 2006 world pornography revenue was 97 billion dollars, more than Microsoft, Google, Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, Apple, and Netflix combined.[14] This is no casual, inconsequential phenomenon, yet there is a tendency to trivialize the possible social and biologic effects of pornography. The sex industry has successfully characterized any objection to pornography as being from the religious/moral perspective; they then dismiss these objections as First Amendment infringements. If pornography addiction is viewed objectively, evidence indicates that it does indeed cause harm in humans with regard to pair-bonding.[2] The correlation (85%) between viewing child pornography and participating in actual sexual relations with children was demonstrated by Bourke and Hernandez.[4] The difficulty in objective peer-reviewed discussion of this topic is again illustrated by the attempted suppression of this data on social grounds.[15] The recent meta-analysis by Hald et al. strongly supports and clarifies previous data demonstrating correlation with regard to pornography inducing violence attitudes against women.[10] With such strong correlative data, it is irresponsible not to address the likely possibility of causation in these regards. Reviewing this data in the context of current usage patterns is particularly concerning; 87% of college age men view pornography, 50% weekly and 20 daily or every other day, with 31% of women viewing as well.[5] The predictive effect of pornography on sexual behavior in adolescents has also been demonstrated.[6]
What can you do? God made the world for us to overcome, so overcome it.you can't change the fact that porn is here and is very easy to see. All you can do is control how you respond to it.

Bundy could have chosen not to kill. That is what this world is for. To see if we choose the evil or the good. We are not here to try and remove all evil from the world. That would alter Gods plan.

Bundy choose evil but wants to blame the world. It is no test with all the evil removed.

It is possible to to gather with like minded people and try to establish Zion. Until then, we all have to deal with porn and overcome it if it is one our weaknesses.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 6:25 pm
by buffalo_girl
God made the world for us to overcome, so overcome it.you can't change the fact that porn is here and is very easy to see. All you can do is control how you respond to it.

Perhaps a fully mature person with a sound spiritual foundation can 'shine it on' when accidentally exposed to pornography.

A person who returns to such 'accidental' behavior is also seeking to excuse him/herself. Once the noose is tightened, you go where the devil leads.

How does a 5-year-old child intentionally exposed to hardcore child pornography 'shine it on'?

The correlation (85%) between viewing child pornography and participating in actual sexual relations with children was demonstrated by Bourke and Hernandez.[4]

The recent meta-analysis by Hald et al. strongly supports and clarifies previous data demonstrating correlation with regard to pornography inducing violence attitudes against women.[10] With such strong correlative data, it is irresponsible not to address the likely possibility of causation in these regards.

All you can do is control how you respond to it.

That's an odd statement. It suggests that 'viewing' pornography is inherently innocent so long as one 'controls how one responds to it'. Seems like dangerous water, to me.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 6:46 pm
by Thomas
You have misunderstood me. God created the,world as a test for us. He wants to test us to see if we will choose evil or good. God allows porn to be in the world. It is part of our test. I thiink it is evil and it does cause many problems but that is the nature of this world. It has been created that way on purpose.

Don't blame me.

There was a family in Utah county where the parents killed their children and committed suicide, last fall. They did it to escape the evil nature of this world. The wife had been somewhat caught up with Ron Lafferty, the murderer/ poligimist that gained fame in the mid eighties around here.

While the parents were correct that world is full of evil, they failed to understand that God created the world, that way as a test. They were to stand up and over come the evil not run away.

I am sorry,your son was harmed.by porn but none of us will leave here unscathed. Christ has the power to heal all wounds. We are to turn to him for healing.,sometimes that takes a lifetime. For some it does not happen in this life, but God knows what he is doing and we will,grow from this experience.

I am reminded of a paper written Hugh Nibley where he said, the city of Enoch had to be removed from the earth because it upset the balance of good and evil. It would have altered the test for too many to be born into that society. God wants to expose us to evil to see how we respond.

Sometimes it,doesn't seem right. Young children are abused and killed and many other horrible things happen but this is the test.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 8:33 pm
by Fiannan
Does anyone really believe that Ted Bundy raped young women, murdered them and raped them again because of pornography?

Also, what exactly is porn? Is it nudity? Then tell me, why don't we have a bunch of messed up people from the later portion of the Gen X and also most of the baby boomers who, going to almost all car repair shops with their dads in the 1960s and 1970s were exposed to posters of topless or fully nude pin up girls?

My gosh, we have gone over this subject so many times...porn can weaken one in regards to morality, that is a fact. Young women today see bisexuality as cool due, I believe, their exposure to lesbian porn. Young men might get the view that multiple sex partners is a worthy goal in life thanks in part to porn. However, it is rare for it to cause psychological problems. The DSM does not list porn viewing as a psychological problem except if it cannot be controlled, as in someone having to view it at work. As for porn addiction it is mostly a component of conservative religious members vocabulary, not a subject seen as an issue within the field of psychology.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 9:06 pm
by Bee Prepared
Quote from Ted Bundy,

" I've met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And without exception, without question, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography. “

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 9:24 pm
by Fiannan
Bee Prepared wrote:Quote from Ted Bundy,

" I've met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And without exception, without question, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography. “
If one is going to quote from that deranged monster how about this one:
Murder is not about lust and it’s not about violence. It’s about possession.”

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 9:54 pm
by djinwa
Bee Prepared wrote:Quote from Ted Bundy,

" I've met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And without exception, without question, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography. “

A sizable percent of the population is deeply involved in pornography, so its quite possible the serial killers are involved.
Correlation is not causation. I bet they all drank water, too. So did water make them do it?

Perhaps we should blame women for men's porn use. If women would make themselves more available, men wouldn't need porn. See how easy that was?

As long as we're throwing out ideas, some research shows that porn reduces sex crimes. Would you rather that perverts get off on porn or with your daughter?

Here are several articles, with excerpts from Reason.

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That's due in substantial part to the rise of the Internet, where the United States alone has a staggering 244 million Web pages featuring erotic fare. One Nielsen survey found that one out of every four users say they visited adult sites in the last month.

So in the last two decades, we have conducted a vast experiment on the social consequences of such material. If the supporters of censorship were right, we should be seeing an unparalleled epidemic of sexual assault. But all the evidence indicates they were wrong. As raunch has waxed, rape has waned.

This is part of a broad decrease in criminal mayhem. Since 1993, violent crime in America has dropped by 58 percent. But the progress in this one realm has been especially dramatic. Rape is down 72 percent and other sexual assaults have fallen by 68 percent. Even in the last two years, when the FBI reported upticks in violent crime, the number of rapes continued to fall.
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How can it be explained? Perhaps the most surprising and controversial account comes from Clemson University economist Todd Kendall, who suggests that adult fare on the Internet may essentially inoculate against sexual assaults.

In a paper presented at Stanford Law School last year, he reported that, after adjusting for other differences, states where Internet access expanded the fastest saw rape decline the most. A 10 percent increase in Internet access, Kendall found, typically meant a 7.3 percent reduction in the number of reported rapes. For other types of crime, he found no correlation with Web use. What this research suggests is that sexual urges play a big role in the incidence of rape -- and that pornographic Web sites provide a harmless way for potential predators to satisfy those desires.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 10:13 pm
by Bee Prepared
From Ted Bundy,

“My experience with pornography … is once you become addicted to it, (and I look at this as a kind of addiction like other kinds of addiction), I would keep looking for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something that is harder, something which gives you a greater sense of excitement. Until you reach a point where the pornography only goes so far, you reach that jumping off point where you begin to wonder if maybe actually doing it would give you that which is beyond just reading or looking at it.”

Within a few years, those latent desires fueled by pornography were expressed through his first murder. Although Bundy said he did not blame pornography, he explained that pornographic materials shaped and molded his behavior. He also warned the nation that “the most damaging kinds of pornography … are those that involve violence and sexual violence. Because the wedding of those two forces, as I know only too well, brings out the hatred that is just, just too terrible to describe.”

A study released by the University of New Hampshire has proven that the states which have the highest readership of pornographic magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse also have the highest rape rates. The Michigan State Police department found that pornography is used or imitated in 41 percent of the sex crimes they have investigated.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 10:23 pm
by SAM
If you reread my OP I recognize that viewing porn doesn't necessarily mean someone will become a serial killer, nor do I think we should be shaming those with porn problems. However, I don't think we should treat it like it's just a little thing. I imagine if one already has a deranged heart / mind, porn will fuel the flames of those tendencies. It also appears to desensitize those who are regularly exposed to it. What do think is the most effective way to teach children about porn and how to deal with it? I have three young boys. I know I'm going to need to address this with them one day.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 10:28 pm
by Fiannan
SAM wrote:If you reread my OP I recognize that viewing porn doesn't necessarily mean someone will become a serial killer, nor do I think we should be shaming those with porn problems. However, I don't think we should treat it like it's just a little thing. I imagine if one already has a deranged heart / mind, porn will fuel the flames of those tendencies. It also appears to desensitize those who are regularly exposed to it. What do think is the most effective way to teach children about porn and how to deal with it? I have three young boys. I know I'm going to need to address this with them one day.
Simple, when you eventually find it in their history folder then merely say that it is natural to be curious about sex, and to have an interest in it, but one should avoid porn because its message is one that perverts the intended purpose of sex. You can also point out that in a capitalistic society such as ours, in which everything can be bought and sold, the people who star in such movies are often doing so because financial opportunities are non-existent for them. Also point out that it makes a lot of people rich.

Other than that it should not be a big problem.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 10:37 pm
by Fiannan
Bee Prepared, first I have tried, really I have, to find good studies that prove a clear association with porn use and crime, as did the commission set up by Nixon and by Reagan, and sadly I have not. In fact, the most common factor with sex crimes appears to be their home environment in which sex and sexuality were repressed and stigmatized. One will find porn use in samples of sex criminals no higher than that of non-sexual offenders jailed for other sorts of crime. And while it may be anecdotal evidence I would suggest that ISIS terrorists who go out raping Christian and Shia women, and animals, are probably from very, very sexually repressed households.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 12:27 am
by Bee Prepared
Fiannan wrote:Bee Prepared, first I have tried, really I have, to find good studies that prove a clear association with porn use and crime, as did the commission set up by Nixon and by Reagan, and sadly I have not. In fact, the most common factor with sex crimes appears to be their home environment in which sex and sexuality were repressed and stigmatized. One will find porn use in samples of sex criminals no higher than that of non-sexual offenders jailed for other sorts of crime. And while it may be anecdotal evidence I would suggest that ISIS terrorists who go out raping Christian and Shia women, and animals, are probably from very, very sexually repressed households.
Fiannan, An interesting correlation is illegitimacy.

Sam, As far as your concerns regarding your children, yes, teach them. A sure knowledge of Diety gives a person a conscience, the family proclamation, attend the Temple, the Temple endows your family with power. I raised 6 children rather successfully, if I do say so
myself. :D Beware of the computer, who their friends are, and where they are. I never let my children spend the night with friends. I felt that when it was time for bed, it was time to be home. It worked out fairly well for me. Follow the gospel plan and have faith.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 2:15 am
by wargames83
I will just say that Ted Bundy was a compulsive liar, and that anything he said about anything, even about himself, should be taken with a grain of salt.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 7:39 am
by ajax
I wonder what caused serial rapists and murderers to do what they did in an era of pre-porn availability? (Which would include most historical actors). Was it by observing nature and the rough sex that occurs in the animal kingdom?

Perhaps nowadays, PBS's "Nature" is to blame, or should at least be considered a gateway drug.

I remember being taught about Bundy as a YM in church. The idea being conveyed to our young minds that coming near it puts you on the path to being a monster. And no doubt, those who saw a little skin, were made to feel so terrible about themselves to the point of despair, being lumped in with Bundy and all.

Are those who view porn any worse off than the pious, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, white collared, whited sepulcher hypocrites among us?

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 8:21 am
by Phoenixstar117
ajax wrote:Are those who view porn any worse off than the pious, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, white collared, whited sepulcher hypocrites among us?
Worse off before God? I would say they are no worse than us hypocrites when they do not act against their fellow man and resort to rape and murder. I don't believe Bundy can blame Porn for his actions, but they definitly influenced his thoughts. Pornography use is just like a drug addiction and as such, requires extra care when it comes to the healing process. It is so difficult to resist, but it in no way makes you murder and rape. What you have seen cannot be unseen and it requires the healing that only the Lord can give in order to overcome it.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 12:46 pm
by Bee Prepared
ajax wrote:I wonder what caused serial rapists and murderers to do what they did in an era of pre-porn availability? (Which would include most historical actors). Was it by observing nature and the rough sex that occurs in the animal kingdom?

Perhaps nowadays, PBS's "Nature" is to blame, or should at least be considered a gateway drug.

I remember being taught about Bundy as a YM in church. The idea being conveyed to our young minds that coming near it puts you on the path to being a monster. And no doubt, those who saw a little skin, were made to feel so terrible about themselves to the point of despair, being lumped in with Bundy and all.

Are those who view porn any worse off than the pious, sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, white collared, whited sepulcher hypocrites among us?
Stop traffic!

I suppose I can be a little self-righteous, hypocritical, pious, ( I am awesome, not perfect,) and one of my main faults is not tolerating people who throw a blanket over a vile and destructive habit by comparing it to being " holier than thou".

Teaching about Ted Bundy to YM in church? I will agree that was wrong, dang, your teacher may as well view porn because he's not perfect anyway.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is happiness, and our Heavenly Father has provided a way for usto overcome sin, however, justification
is not the recommended way. The power of the Atonement and repentance is the way.

" Nowhere are the generosity and the kindness and mercy of God more manifest than in repentance. " Boyd K. Packer

As for " viewing a little skin,"

Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles warned members of the dangers of rationalization. He said " We cannot minimize the seriousness of pornography no matter what shape, form, or dosage it comes in."

We all need to improve our personal behavior, but rationalizing is not the way. I say this in all sincerity, ( wait, sometimes I'm not
totally sincere, hypocrisy is an ugly thing!) :ymsigh:


















Richard G. Scott calls it " One of the most damning influences on earth. The Savior can guide you resolve the challenges of life and receive
great peace and happiness."

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 12:49 pm
by SAM
Well, I think it's safe to say, after reading many posts here on porn, that generally men minimize the problem and women blow it out of proportion. There has to be a way to approach the subject to emphasize that it isn't harmless and temptations to view it should not be heeded. However, if one is inadvertently exposed or gives into the curiosity it's not the end of world and they aren't likely to become serial killers or rapists.

Just like teaching about drugs and alcohol though, I don't think there is anything wrong with telling people that some people become addicted and can go down a very dark path. It is true that some people can drink a few beers and completely handle themselves. There are others who will easily become alcoholics from just a few drinks. Some people, no doubt, can be exposed to porn and not crave seeing it often or desire seeing more violent or explicit things, but for some it can get a grip and transform them into someone who desires depravity. All people should be informed of those risks, even if they won't personally be so adversely affected.

Can we all agree that it would benefit society if we weren't so obsessed with sex in our culture and we should encourage all people to not think with their genitals :)

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 12:56 pm
by Bee Prepared
SAM wrote:Well, I think it's safe to say, after reading many posts here on porn, that generally men minimize the problem and women blow it out of proportion. There has to be a way to approach the subject to emphasize that it isn't harmless and temptations to view it should not be heeded. However, if one is inadvertently exposed or gives into the curiosity it's not the end of world and they aren't likely to become serial killers or rapists.

Just like teaching about drugs and alcohol though, I don't think there is anything wrong with telling people that some people become addicted and can go down a very dark path. It is true that some people can drink a few beers and completely handle themselves. There are others who will easily become alcoholics from just a few drinks. Some people, no doubt, can be exposed to porn and not crave seeing it often or desire seeing more violent or explicit things, but for some it can get a grip and transform them into someone who desires depravity. All people should be informed of those risks, even if they won't personally be so adversely affected.

Can we all agree that it would benefit society if we weren't so obsessed with sex in our culture and we should encourage all people to not think with their genitals :)
Can you really blow it out of proportion, when it damages marriages, and causes one to lose the Spirit of Christ and forfeit the power of the priesthood?

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 1:06 pm
by Fiannan
In the general population of the USA porn does damage marriages if a man or woman becomes so obsessed with it they wind up getting fired or substitute porn for real sex with their spouse.

In the LDS population, and some fundamentalist Protestant groups, porn damages marriage because people are brainwashed to believe if they catch their husband looking at it then he has committed a sin worse than adultery and deserves to be thrown out of the house.

Re: Ted Bundy and Pornography

Posted: February 5th, 2015, 1:19 pm
by ajax
I wasn't rationalizing or justifying anything.

Just stating that based on my experience and observation, YM in the church are made out to be monsters in embryo for looking at a naked woman out of wedlock.