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Thinker wrote:

djinwa wrote:Another thing that makes me sick, are the members who have no problem sending out young men off to far away lands to get their limbs blown off and become mentally deranged experiencing the horrors of a useless war. But hey, they will return in honor, as long as they don't look at porn! I mean, it might lead to death, divorce, suicide, and debilitated for a lifetime, but we have to have our priorities straight. No porn, but war is fine.

Again, where is the outcry against this nightmare? I heard that 22 veterans a day are committing suicide. Is it from porn, or war?

Of course, we don't really care, since most of them are men, and men are supposed to suck it up and be tough.

I'm with you on that, Djinwa.
That is partially why I detest harmful herd mentalities.
Who would send their son off to kill on their own?
What sane mother would kill her own child within her without a herd telling her it's just a "parasite"?
We each struggle enough with mistakes and sins but when you add negative peer pressure, including excessive shame, it makes it so much more difficult to do good.

They say that suicide kills more than war - and war's killed a lot!
There are so many battles to be fought - but of the spirit.
At some point, ideally we sense the obligation or "call" to help as we are best prepared to help.

And I believe a real man who's brave and courageous is so not only regarding integrity but also in matters of the heart. It takes guts to make yourself vulnerable to FEEL.
My heart feels for soldiers from physical or spiritual battles who are beaten in spirit. I hope they get help first from God, then from others - and feel free to message me.

Makes us wonder what the war in heaven was like. We had no flesh to be ripped apart, no blood to be spilt, yet the war continues here on earth...man bent on destroying man, one way or another using every excuse known to man to justify it.

It does make you wonder.
My guess is that it isn't close to any guess.

In a strange way, "there must needs be opposition in all things."
I'm only beginning to realize how very true that is!

The most hellish experiences of my life have also inspired such good and a depth of appreciation previously not experienced.
I do believe that God (verb) is about turning something bad into something good.

djinwa wrote:Saw this in Rexburg a few years ago. I live in a remote area of Washington, and people would laugh their heads off at this. In our town, the only banner is for the annual fisherman's breakfast. I can't help but think this kind of nonsense just promotes perversion. The tabernacle was probably full of people looking for new sources of pornography they shouldn't be looking at.

I'm reminded of a comment somebody made on a blog a couple years ago in regards to modesty:

“The irony of this fixation on modesty is that it only heightens sexual tension and desire. The more of the body you cover in the name of modesty, the more area of the body you sexualize. Why did Victorian men “swoon” when they happened to see a bit of ankle or wrist? Only because it was hidden. I think it was Mark Twain who wrote that nothing was ever made less tempting by forbidding it.” (Here's what Twain actually said, "There is a charm about the forbidden that makes it unspeakably desirable.")

Now replace modesty with porn. The constant focus and drumming up the issue does more harm than good IMO and is mis-focus.

I wrote a nice long post that didn't post, but in sum:

-I don't think porn is the only sin out there. I agree that warmongering, consumerism, poor use of social media and whatever other problems were called out on this thread are also concerning.

-I don't think viewing porn is the same as murder, nor do I think all viewers turn into serial killers. I do think it causes harm and desensitizes though. Yay for the atonement so that harm can be healed!

-I posted the video after seeing it on Facebook. I thought it was creepy, but interesting, and would make for interesting discussion. Next time I'll remember that we shouldn't call out porn specifically as a problem here on LDSFF lest we make it look like it's the only sin that matters. I'll try a more general topic next time like, "There is a lot of sin out there, guys. Discuss"

Thanks for letting me be a little cranky. I'm over it now that I got that off my chest.

Great comments djinwa!

I will add an observation or two.

I am not in favor of pornography. But I do see a double standard. If you really care about relationships, you should be against all issues that cause problems. But instead, we are only against the problems that are primarily those of men. While they will deny it, women see porn as competition, and they don't want to compete. They want to have complete control over their man's sexuality. If they were really worried about relationships, they would beat up women over their lusts that damage relationships. But they don't want to do that, as it would mean less power and control.

Very good observation. Ironically, the women in porn are not made to look different through computer digitization like women in women's magazines. Ever see a female movie star without makeup? Did you know that very few models on the front of popular women's magazines exist in real life as the tech people may alter their eye shape, color, body mass or even photo shop another woman's legs or hips onto hers?

I know someone who caught their teenage daughter looking at porn (history file). She and her husband looked through some of the movies that their daughter had visited and the wife actually commented that the women were not as thin as she had expected. This is probably due to the fact that, unlike 20 years ago you might have had a particular type of women deciding to engage in porn scenes, today many of the women are college educated, middle class women who cannot find jobs, and that porn has become mainstream enough that it does not have the shame factor that would have discouraged women from looking into such careers in times past.

If we were so concerned about the threats to relationships, along with the war on porn, we would have a war on consumerism and materialism. Women initiate most divorces, and the leading cause of divorce is money. The only divorces I know among my church-going relatives were the wives leaving due to husbands that didn't make enough money. Now how is it that those women were not shamed into staying with their husbands? Why was there no disciplinary action taken against them for their lustful behavior? What kind of eternal marriage ends when finances get tough?

The ideal marriage is one based on mutual commitment and should look like the relationship between Jesus and his people. Yet we see how quickly some have betrayed Jesus - one for a few pieces of silver.

That said our consumeristic society says that ones worth is based on money, looks and social status. Women look into the peephole of paradise every day and see reality shows mainly focused on wealthier people and they lust after the lifestyle of being surrounded by wealth, gay guys who are there for the women 24/7 and resent that while they see women spending thousands for wedding dresses or various other goodies they have to budget for their children's soccer or piano lessons. Of course this has an effect on their sub conscious. And you won't hear much condemnation of this from our Church or other religions for that matter because they men in charge are scared of offending women. Oh wait, there is an exception -- Islam. And what religion is attracting men, and women?

This is evil!!!! This is INEXCUSABLE TO TAKE DADS AWAY FROM THEIR CHILDREN OVER MONEY, YET NOBODY CARES!!!!!! It is so much bigger of an issue if dad sneaks a peak at porn once a year, right!!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

Seen a few divorces in Church that I believed led to the daughters giving lesbian a shot, or at least extreme promiscuity. Wonder how many women become strippers or porn stars due to no dad being in the home? Oh, and due to divorce and young men, as boys, seeing what it did to their fathers have decided that it is better to turn to nightclubs or porn rather than hook up with a woman for a long-term commitment?

The hypocrisy makes me sick, as does the damage to my relatives kids by b*****s that needed more money to keep up their status.

Yes, it is just fine to divorce, as long as you're not looking at porn! In the eyes of the church, one dirty thought is worse than leaving your husband over money. LIke I said, this is evil.

The one advantage LDS single men have is that there are a lot more active women than men. There is no excuse for marrying such women -- find out how a young woman feels about materialism and divorce, find out how extreme she is on whatever issues and if attitudes such as you have covered come up on the radar run, and run fast. There are plenty of righteous, non-critical women who believe marriage is for eternity and would never leave their husband. Find such a woman and let the rest sit alone in Relief Society and the singles program.

LOL

SAM wrote:I wrote a nice long post that didn't post, but in sum:

-I don't think porn is the only sin out there. I agree that warmongering, consumerism, poor use of social media and whatever other problems were called out on this thread are also concerning.

-I don't think viewing porn is the same as murder, nor do I think all viewers turn into serial killers. I do think it causes harm and desensitizes though. Yay for the atonement so that harm can be healed!

-I posted the video after seeing it on Facebook. I thought it was creepy, but interesting, and would make for interesting discussion. Next time I'll remember that we shouldn't call out porn specifically as a problem here on LDSFF lest we make it look like it's the only sin that matters. I'll try a more general topic next time like, "There is a lot of sin out there, guys. Discuss"

Thanks for letting me be a little cranky. I'm over it now that I got that off my chest.

Sam,
You did good in bringing this up. Thank you!
Pornography is definetely becoming a bigger problem to be cautious of.
The other day, I was searching for pictures for a project and among the images options on a page, there was a picture of homosexual porn. It had nothing to do with the subject and I feel that unwanted exposure should be against the law. I realized my kids could've seen it too, so I'll be more careful when they get online.

Some of the negative responses in this thread are really strawman logical fallacies - some having marital problems or fears and venting them on this thread. I can see the point of some women over-reacting about porn, but I also see the need for heightened caution of the dangers of porn. And really, this thread is about porn, not all of the other possible lusts or problems in marriage.

Each situation is unique, but I do think open discussions, as you've brought up, are essential to preventing or correcting problems and addictions with porn.

Pornography and violence is so wide accepted now that 50 shades of grey will surely win an oscar this year and people wonder there is so much domestic violence in the world because its all we see now. :ymdevil:

shestalou wrote:Pornography and violence is so wide accepted now that 50 shades of grey will surely win an oscar this year and people wonder there is so much domestic violence in the world because its all we see now. :ymdevil:

Say what? 50 Shades has been called "Mommy porn" because the main fans of the books are women 30 - 50ish. I read a story just last night that sales in bondage apparel are expected to go through the roof and that women are the ones buying it! If anyone is getting hurt it will be the husbands at the receiving end of whips.

Just remember, the popularity of all sorts of "erotica" is skyrocketing with women.

Fiannan,
Why do you keep trying portray things in a distorted way?
Unless you're considering porn as in romance nobels or soaps.

Maybe some women get into visual porn, but for years and still, men are much more attracted to visual porn.

Generally, women are more emotionally turned on - men more visual.

For men or women, porn (visual or verbal) is a bad substitute and distorts reality so there's less hope for a real healthy sexual intimacy.

Thinker wrote:Fiannan,
Why do you keep trying portray things in a distorted way?
Unless you're considering porn as in romance nobels or soaps.

Maybe some women get into visual porn, but for years and still, men are much more attracted to visual porn.

Generally, women are more emotionally turned on - men more visual.

For men or women, porn (visual or verbal) is a bad substitute and distorts reality so there's less hope for a real healthy sexual intimacy.

I have never read 50 Shades but I know a lot of women who have and it is not a "romance novel."

I have posted research here many times that women are looking at porn a lot more than most conservative Christians would like to believe. If you look at figures for women 30 and under their looking at porn is almost equal to men (accessing porn) but the time they spend on porn sites is less. And while women (older and those raised in very conservative homes) tend to believe they are not affected as much as men studies in which a plethysmograph measures physical reaction in male and female subjects the physiological response to visual stimuli is as high in women as in men - it is just that many women cognitively tell themselves otherwise. Younger women and those from more liberal backgrounds do not repress as much.

I agree with you that porn can distort reality (while most women fantasize about group sex or intimacy with another woman) most never actually initiate such activities -- same is true with men. However, porn can make such activities appear normal and mainstream and thus, if a woman, or man, is given the opportunity to engage in such their ability to resist is probably greatly weakened.

Does continued discussion of porn eventually cause mental imagines and an emotional stirring or mental suggestion?

Ted Bundy was a conscienceless, self-serving murderer. I don't think I'd listen to anything he said about anything.

djinwa wrote:Since most divorces result from women lusting for more money and stuff ...

You might want to revisit that.

Fiannan wrote:

shestalou wrote:Pornography and violence is so wide accepted now that 50 shades of grey will surely win an oscar this year and people wonder there is so much domestic violence in the world because its all we see now. :ymdevil:

Say what? 50 Shades has been called "Mommy porn" because the main fans of the books are women 30 - 50ish. I read a story just last night that sales in bondage apparel are expected to go through the roof and that women are the ones buying it! If anyone is getting hurt it will be the husbands at the receiving end of whips.

Just remember, the popularity of all sorts of "erotica" is skyrocketing with women.

http://endsexualexploitation.org/fiftyshadesgrey/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; It sad when you cant even trust the mothers anymore to protect you from porn or violence if what you say is true, this world has truly taken a slide down to the pits of hell!!!!! :ymdevil: The link will explain it better how bad this movie is. :ymdevil:

this world has truly taken a slide down to the pits of hell!!!!!

That's because hell is the default setting for the wicked.

freedomforall wrote:

shestalou wrote:this world has truly taken a slide down to the pits of hell!!!!!

You're slowly feeling and edging your way along a darkened path. Suddenly, on one side you see and hear noisy men, women and teenagers all in a massive, humungous container shaped like a kids vinyl swimming pool....all covered with sticky, gooey, slime, of which, omits a nostril burning scent that of a bouquet of raunchy armpits. They writhe, twist and contort their bodies in horrible positions that would cause one's eyes to hurt. They resemble a pit of intertwined snakes, yet they cannot act on an intense, burning lust that permeates their very being. Their eyes glow red and their faces are hideous as if being tormented beyond the ability to cope. One of them suddenly catches your stare, grabs your wrist and tugs...then your hear a voice say, my name is Ted, come and join in.







And then,...............


















You wake up!

Its ok Ive already been to Paradise and I will walk with Christ but say Hi to Ted, and all of Babylon for me and I will pray for them! ;)

shestalou wrote:

shestalou wrote:this world has truly taken a slide down to the pits of hell!!!!!

Its ok Ive already been to Paradise and I will walk with Christ but say Hi to Ted, and all of Babylon for me and I will pray for them! ;)

I did a little writing in my younger days. The "you" used here was meant to be a title for anyone who happens to read that tidbit. :-B :ymhug:

Oh, and I agree with your assessment of the wicked.

Speaking of porn:

If I Were the Devil - (BEST VERSION) by PAUL HARVEY audio restored

freedomforall wrote:Speaking of porn:

If I Were the Devil - (BEST VERSION) by PAUL HARVEY audio restored

Wow I remember hearing this a few years ago, it is true and the world follows like little lost sheeple and believe what the government tells them is right, its sad!

shestalou wrote:

freedomforall wrote:Speaking of porn:

If I Were the Devil - (BEST VERSION) by PAUL HARVEY audio restored


Wow I remember hearing this a few years ago, it is true and the world follows like little lost sheeple and believe what the government tells them is right, its sad!

I believe Paul's voice could be heard from coast to coast. Even back in the seventies and on the job, right around lunch time I'd hear someone say "Oh, it's time to listen to Paul Harvey." I wasn't a continuous dedicated listener but every now and again over the years while turning the tuner on the radio I'd come across his voice and listen. Then would come his famous line, (and many people should be able to recall it) "and that's the end of the story, ...Good day!"

Satan has so many people he is using as puppets to decay, to destroy and tear asunder every aspect of good moral fiber in humans and the Constitution and all that it offers by way of freedom and liberty. A multitude of thoughts that in some way, somehow effect any good way of life adversely because of programs, laws, rules and negative opinion used to twist, distort or eradicate that which was and has been a God given free will meant to be used for righteousness. Even a number of LDS's fall into this terrible position. Yes, Satan has his puppets in every aspect of our existence. Perhaps this is why God says the cleansing will start right in the heart of Mormonism. His true sheep are numbered and they will hear his voice. It's no wonder he says that only a few will truly seek the correct path to Godliness and stay put.