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Several military families have come forward to say they, too, were victims of door-to-door shenanigans from salesmen from the home alarm company Vivint, following an ABC News investigation that revealed some salesmen for the Utah-based company had been repeatedly accused of misleading the families of American troops for profit.

In the original report featured on “Good Morning America”, five military families said Vivint promised them they could cancel their service if they received military orders to move, but when they tried to do that later, they were denied and stuck with cancellation fees of up to $2,000.

Since the broadcast last week, four more families have contacted The ABC News Fixer to say something similar happened to them.

Vivint, based in Provo, Utah, is known for its door-to-door sales force. It also has racked up more than 3,300 complaints at the Better Business Bureau over the past three years, where it has an “F” rating. It has been the subject of legal action by seven state attorneys general.

And as of Dec. 26, they were being sued by the fed gov for securities fraud... talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Man, Utah sure is a haven for snake oil salesmen! X(

Col. Flagg wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/US/vivint-helps-m ... d=27696845

Several military families have come forward to say they, too, were victims of door-to-door shenanigans from salesmen from the home alarm company Vivint, following an ABC News investigation that revealed some salesmen for the Utah-based company had been repeatedly accused of misleading the families of American troops for profit.

In the original report featured on “Good Morning America”, five military families said Vivint promised them they could cancel their service if they received military orders to move, but when they tried to do that later, they were denied and stuck with cancellation fees of up to $2,000.

Since the broadcast last week, four more families have contacted The ABC News Fixer to say something similar happened to them.

Vivint, based in Provo, Utah, is known for its door-to-door sales force. It also has racked up more than 3,300 complaints at the Better Business Bureau over the past three years, where it has an “F” rating. It has been the subject of legal action by seven state attorneys general.

And as of Dec. 26, they were being sued by the fed gov for securities fraud... talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Man, Utah sure is a haven for snake oil salesmen! X(

I could have told you that. I used to go to the recruiting meetings in college for the free pizza.

What a shame.

Used to work for them back in the day (customer support). They weren't as bad as other companies like Pinnacle and AMP. What I don't get is why the sales force doesn't investigate exactly what it is that they are selling and are willing to make a few cheap bucks to sell a lie.

And Pinnacle as far as I know is bankrupt.

I worked for a company in 2013 and part of '14 after my mission called AvantGuard Monitoring Centers up in Ogden. They were strictly a monitoring only company and had no hardware of their own. Other companies which did fire, burgler, and medical alarms would contract us to monitor their systems. During the time that I worked there, which is only 1 year, we grew from about 120,000 subscribers to about 240,000 subscribers. The company had already been existing for 8 or 10 years before I joined them, and they were previously part of Mountain Alarm before that. Now they Monitor for Mountain Alarm as MA doesn't have their own monitoring anymore since monitoring broke off into it's own company.

The phenomenal growth could most likely be attributed to a number of companies ending their own monitoring and contracted through AvantGaurd, but I would say a great deal of that growth in subscriber count was also due to the integrity system that AvantGuard had. Not only did we have to have a great deal of integrity in the monitoring department, but there was a lot expected from companies that we contracted for because their practices reflected on us.

Honesty will always bring back return customers and loyalty. Greed and dishonesty will lose growth and clientel. You reap what you sow.

EDIT:spelling

Isn't Vivint an MLM?

If so, like all MLMs, may it crash and burn as a symbol of the Devil's money making Top down tier schemes (one of many) coming to an end before the economy (symbol of our pride and power) comes to an end soon, maybe even this September it crashes completely or begins to crash one final time.

http://voiceofanearthquake.blogspot.com ... phecy.html

Phoenixstar117 wrote:I worked for a company in 2013 and part of '14 after my missing called AvantGuard Monitoring Centers up in Ogden. They were strictly a monitoring only company and had no hardware of their own. Other companies which did fire, burgler, and medical alarms would contract us to monitor their systems. During the time that I worked there, which is only 1 year, we grew from about 120,000 subscribers to about 240,000 subscribers. The company had already been existing for 8 or 10 years before I joined them, and they were previously part of Mountain Alarm before that. Now they Monitor for Mountain Alarm as MA doesn't have their own monitoring anymore since monitoring broke off into it's own company.

The phenomenal growth could most likely be attributed to a number of companies ending their own monitoring and contracted through AvantGaurd, but I would say a great deal of that growth in subscriber count was also due to the integrity system that AvantGuard had. Not only did we have to have a great deal of integrity in the monitoring department, but there was a lot expected from companies that we contracted for because their practices reflected on us.

Honesty will always bring back return customers and loyalty. Greed and dishonesty will lose growth and clientel. You reap what you sow.

You couldn't have said that any better. And Balaam, Vivint IS an MLM.

Muerte Rosa wrote:Most of the door to door salesman (solicitors) i get are from out of state. This isn't a Utah things only.

Back when I lived with my parents, we used to get these cleaner solution salesmen from out of state. They were really good at what they did. Assertive and you got your promised product right there at the door. The guy actually took some solution and cleaned a spot on my mom's shoe(white tennis). It worked of course because they were dirty from use in the garden, but she didn't think it could be that white again. Now I don't believe the cleaner was better or worse than anything else out there on the market, but we got what was promised.

Phoenixstar117 wrote:

Muerte Rosa wrote:Most of the door to door salesman (solicitors) i get are from out of state. This isn't a Utah things only.

Back when I lived with my parents, we used to get these cleaner solution salesmen from out of state. They were really good at what they did. Assertive and you got your promised product right there at the door. The guy actually took some solution and cleaned a spot on my mom's shoe(white tennis). It worked of course because they were dirty from use in the garden, but she didn't think it could be that white again. Now I don't believe the cleaner was better or worse than anything else out there on the market, but we got what was promised.

I would buy cleaning product from this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfaQUccxgE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have two cousins that work for Vivint. I am appalled by some of the stories they have told me about selling door-to-door in other states than Utah. They are very deceptive. My two cousins don't think anything about it and laugh about how they make sales, and these two boys are RMs.

Vivint does a lot of "giving back" where they do some good, but I think that is just a front to make themselves feel better.

My bro-in-law works for them as a developer. He says the corporate side of the company is really awesome, but loads of problems with the salesmen.

There still are such things as door to door salesmen?

I didn't know. I haven't seen a door to door salesman since the sixties or seventies...

Is this a Utah thing, or do you have to live in a city of a certain size?

Regards,

George Clay

gclayjr wrote:There still are such things as door to door salesmen?

I didn't know. I haven't seen a door to door salesman since the sixties or seventies...

Is this a Utah thing, or do you have to live in a city of a certain size?

Regards,

George Clay

Actually it depends on the city ordinances. Some cities do not allow it. For example, when we lived in the city of North Ogden, we didn't get any door-to-door because of the city ordinance. In Pleasant View where we moved later on, we saw someone maybe once a month where it was allowed. A couple were from the wasatch front, but many were from out of state.