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Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 7th, 2015, 12:40 am
by JohnnyL
Here's some more info on absolutely horrific things:
http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/berg_beheading.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/au ... ctored.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://rense.com/general52/anom.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.infowars.com/experts-james-f ... kely-fake/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.rense.com/general53/strang.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://shirlz007.com/2014/08/21/isis-be ... esfootage/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (bad language)
Pretty much point to same conclusion: fake, and/ or done by US alphabets organizations.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 7th, 2015, 11:24 am
by larsenb
Below is more from Chuck Baldwin's latest newsletter that may be of interest. The first sentence says: "if we can believe the official story of 9/11 (which I don’t)". This contrasts with his stance from what he said when he spoke locally a few years ago on a venue with Joel Skousen and Dr. Steve Jones, when he was reluctant to give any credence to 9/11 truth, probably because he didn't want to be pigeon-holed as a 9/11 truth supporter during his run for the presidency.
Also from what he says below, he says 9/11 was a watershed for the American Church (mainstream Christianity) derailing and losing track of what should be its real mission. Does what he say apply to the LDS church, at least to some degree? I would say, it does, when applied to many US members who seem to be oblivious to the wolves that surround us. I'm sure he changed his view of 9/11 after getting a clear picture of how it has been used to justify our invasion of the Near and Middle East, etc., etc., subsumed under the 'war on terra'.
Speaking of Saudi Arabia, if we can believe the official story of 9/11 (which I don’t), the Muslim terrorists that perpetrated those attacks were all from Saudi Arabia, NOT Iraq. Why didn’t we invade Saudi Arabia? Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and everyone on the planet knows it. . . . . . .
Ever since 9/11, Christians and conservatives have developed a hatred and animus, not just against Jihadist-Muslims (which, even that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE for a Christian), but against Muslim people everywhere. All Muslims are commonly castigated and vilified just because they are Muslims.
Ladies and gentlemen, it is absolutely NOT TRUE that all Muslims are anti-American, anti-Christian murderers and terrorists. It is NOT TRUE that all Muslims want to enact Sharia Law in the United States. It is NOT TRUE that all Muslims are our enemies.
I wonder how many of these Muslim haters have ever met a Muslim in person. I have. I have met many--both in the United States and in the Middle East. They are NOT all America-haters. They are NOT all trying to kill us. America has had Christian missionaries ministering among Muslim nations for as long as our country has been in existence. And many Christians would be shocked to know that overall the Gospel has received greater acceptance by the Muslim population than by other religions of the region--much more, in fact, than by the Jewish population.
Here is a letter I received from a Christian missionary named Jeff:
“Hi, Chuck! We…want to tell you that we stand 100% with what you said in both your column and to your congregation. We have been missionaries for 40 years, a good ten of those in Muslim countries (Tunisia, Libya, Jordan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Bosnia, and Albania). We have not just met or talked to a Muslim, we have witnessed to them in depth for years. It is SO RARE to hear anyone nowadays saying anything conciliatory towards Muslims, much less positive. I thank you for the things you have said, and am so very sorry for the hateful responses you received in the comments to your column that reveal the dark heart of many Christians in the U.S.”
To be honest, most of the Muslims I have met in the U.S. and in the Middle East demonstrate more kindness, common courtesy, and genuine compassion than many of the so-called Christians I have known. . . . .
How can Christians claim to love God and believe in winning lost souls to Christ be so consumed with hatred against an entire people--most of whom have done NOTHING to harm them? Yes, I realize there are some who call themselves Christians who hate other people besides Muslims. Some hate everyone who is a Jew; some hate everyone who is a minority; some hate everyone who is victimized by an aberrant sexual lifestyle, etc. Hatred has been with us since the dawn of human history. But in my entire lifetime, I have never witnessed anything like I am witnessing now: the pervasive, widespread, almost universal hatred of the Muslim people--by Christians.
. . . . . .
What difference does it make whether the darkness takes the form of Islam, or Buddhism, or Shintoism, or Judaism, or Atheism, or Communism, or any other “ism?” The problem is not the presence of darkness; the problem is the absence of light.
The Church has lost its light and its love. Christ is doing what He said He would do to those who lose their love: He is removing the candlestick.
The American Church has focused on being “successful” instead of being righteous; it has capitulated to the lordship of the state; it fears the IRS [e.g., 501.c3] more than it fears God; it has stopped preaching the “hard” messages of the Bible; it is popularity-driven, entertainment-driven, and comfort-driven; it has abandoned the fundamental principles of Natural Law and liberty; it has replaced genuine patriotism with statism; and it has used Romans 13 as justification for idolatry.
A quote from Charles Caleb Colton (1820) is in order here: “Men will wrangle for religion; write for it; fight for it; die for it; anything but--live for it.” . . . . . .
P.S. Once more, I am in touch with a group of patriot Christians in Springfield, Missouri, who very much desire to start a new non-501c3 fellowship. As soon as this group can grow a little more, I will take my team and conduct a Liberty Church Project conference for these folks. If you live in or near Springfield, Missouri, and would like to join this group, here is an email that you can use to connect with them. Hopefully, there will soon be enough people that we can see a brand new non-501c3 church established in Springfield, Missouri.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 7th, 2015, 6:55 pm
by KMCopeland
Col. Flagg wrote:ISIS is yet another CIA creation - al Qaida was getting old and so they came up with ISIS to keep everyone fearful that the 'terrorists' are still lurking and need to be rooted out in order to continue justifying our occupations in the middle east.
Whatever would we do without the CIA to hang every horror that comes down the pike on.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 7th, 2015, 6:59 pm
by KMCopeland
Fiannan wrote:We have enough drones to make having a wedding in Pakistan an event to be scared of
I'm not crazy about the drone strikes in Pakistan, but you should remember one important thing about them: the Pakistani government welcomes them. Could put a stop to them in a heartbeat if they wanted to.
Fiannan wrote:yet we let ISIS carve out a huge section of Iraq and Syria, even though, unlike Pakistan, the Iraq government was okay with whatever we would do to ISIS.
So it was "we" who let ISIS do that? What in the world are you thinking. And you are quite wrong about the Pakistani government's position on our drone strikes. They approve of them heartily.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 7th, 2015, 7:08 pm
by JohnnyL
KMCopeland wrote:Col. Flagg wrote:ISIS is yet another CIA creation - al Qaida was getting old and so they came up with ISIS to keep everyone fearful that the 'terrorists' are still lurking and need to be rooted out in order to continue justifying our occupations in the middle east.
Whatever would we do without the CIA to hang every horror that comes down the pike on.
That's easy. In general, we would live better, happier lives, and so would millions of people around the globe. :ymhug:
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 7th, 2015, 7:15 pm
by KMCopeland
Muerte Rosa, your horror is appropriate. I would caution you though, against watching those videos for your own sake, and when FOX (the only US network who carries them), shows them, uncut, they are playing right into the terrorist's hands.
The FOX link to the burning alive of the Jordanian pilot is being distributed widely, by ISIS sympathizers all over the world. I wish FOX hadn't done that. It dignifies ISIS's non-cause. Their videotaped murders are a PR and a recruiting tool. The less distribution the better.
What they want more than anything is for the big powers to show up, especially the US. Because if they succeed in getting the US to drop what we're doing and rush over there to deal with them, it makes them look far more powerful than they are. Our involvement would be their best recruiting tool ever. We'd be completely crazy to play into their hands like that.
Every bomb we drop on them costs $1 million. A million bucks to take out two guys in a Toyota pickup truck is a very bad ROI. There are countries right there, in the middle east, with military forces more than adequate to take ISIS out. That's who needs to do it. Jordan is leading the way now. We should pray that the other countries in the region follow suit. It's the only way to put not only ISIS to an end permanently, but the hatred of the West that is at the root of middle-eastern terrorism.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 7th, 2015, 7:21 pm
by JohnnyL
larsenb wrote:Below is more from Chuck Baldwin's latest newsletter that may be of interest. The first sentence says: "if we can believe the official story of 9/11 (which I don’t)". This contrasts with his stance from what he said when he spoke locally a few years ago on a venue with Joel Skousen and Dr. Steve Jones, when he was reluctant to give any credence to 9/11 truth, probably because he didn't want to be pigeon-holed as a 9/11 truth supporter during his run for the presidency.
Also from what he says below, he says 9/11 was a watershed for the American Church (mainstream Christianity) derailing and losing track of what should be its real mission. Does what he say apply to the LDS church, at least to some degree?
I believe a few more LDS are understanding. I believe that Pres. Hinckley understood it, later on--especially at the end, when the BoM challenge came out. I believe his initial conference talk beliefs changed to greater understanding.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 8th, 2015, 9:33 am
by Fiannan
We have enough drones to make having a wedding in Pakistan an event to be scared of
I'm not crazy about the drone strikes in Pakistan, but you should remember one important thing about them: the Pakistani government welcomes them. Could put a stop to them in a heartbeat if they wanted to.
Try reading The Guardian once in a while KMC:
But he accepts that Pakistan has little power to stop the strikes other than through public opinion: "We cannot take on the only superpower, which is all-powerful in the world at the moment. You can't take them on. We are a small country, we are ill-equipped."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/a ... e-pakistan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 8th, 2015, 9:37 am
by Fiannan
Every bomb we drop on them costs $1 million. A million bucks to take out two guys in a Toyota pickup truck is a very bad ROI. There are countries right there, in the middle east, with military forces more than adequate to take ISIS out.
Yeah, Assad could finish off the pests quite quickly if the rich Gulf States were not financing the terrorists in ISIS and FSA and Obama would stop assisting questionable terrorist groups as well.
The only people really fighting ISIS are Assad, Hezbollah, the Kurds and Iran. want to finish ISIS off then join with their efforts.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 8th, 2015, 10:49 am
by larsenb
ajax wrote:I wonder how Americans would react if a foreign nation deposed and replaced our democratically elected president with an oppressive puppet government beholden to the foreign nation in protecting it and its allies economic interests. I wonder in time if Americans would seek to overthrow the foreign installed puppet.
I also wonder what American's would think if that same foreign nation shot down an American civilian passenger flight over American airspace killing hundreds.
And if the 'conflict' in the Ukraine erupts into WW III, how much blame could be laid at our feet? Here is an extract from an article by Martin Purcell posted on Makow's site where he notes:
A year ago, a secret recording surfaced on YouTube (
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/ ... aked-video" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ). Assistant Secretary of Victoria Nuland was overheard actively plotting a coup d'etat with the U.S. Ambassador to the Ukraine, Jeffrey Pyatt.
She used the "F" word, which got all the publicity, but few seemed to notice that she was trying to name, or actually choose, the new interim President of the Ukraine. His name, Arseniy Yatsenuk.
Three weeks later, Victoria got her wish; the pro-Russian government of Yanucovych collapsed and Yatsenuk was in place. Shortly thereafter, an election was held in which Petro Poroshenko became President. . . . .
In early February, Wolf Blitzer interviewed Congressman Eliot Engel, who strongly urged the U.S. to send lethal aid to help Poroshenko and Yatsenuk's besieged government against Russian separatists. - See more at:
http://henrymakow.com/#sthash.uiWl3daU.dpuf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 8th, 2015, 10:54 am
by KMCopeland
Fiannan wrote:KMCopeland wrote:I'm not crazy about the drone strikes in Pakistan, but you should remember one important thing about them: the Pakistani government welcomes them. Could put a stop to them in a heartbeat if they wanted to.
Try reading The Guardian once in a while KMC:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/a ... e-pakistan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's a good article about an interview with a Pakistani diplomat. About his opinion of what his country should do. The fact remains that the Pakistani government -- the people with the power to do something about it -- could simply ask us to stop the drone strikes and we would, and if we didn't, they could easily shoot them down.
This is a longstanding thing with Pakistan. They want our help with the terrorists who drift over from Afghanistan and God knows where else, to set up shop in their tribal areas, but they don't want to be seen as openly supporting anything the US does.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 8th, 2015, 12:43 pm
by KMCopeland
Fiannan wrote:Every bomb we drop on them costs $1 million. A million bucks to take out two guys in a Toyota pickup truck is a very bad ROI. There are countries right there, in the middle east, with military forces more than adequate to take ISIS out.
Yeah, Assad could finish off the pests quite quickly if the rich Gulf States were not financing the terrorists in ISIS and FSA and Obama would stop assisting questionable terrorist groups as well.
The rich Gulf States aren't, and weren't financing ISIS. Their sources of money came first from the oil fields and refineries they'd commandeered, mostly near Turkey, and their second source of money is from hostage ransoms. Last fall we destroyed those refineries, fields, & pipelines. Their oil revenue stream is now badly compromised. Hostage ransom is harder to cut off, but then it's a much smaller amount of money, and is notoriously unreliable. This is about strangling their revenue streams, and keeping the damage they do to a minimum while they slowly die off from lack of money, and recruiting begins to fail. Which it has. It will take a while. And it's the smart way to do it.
We've been waiting for the man on the street in the middle east to turn on them, and the very barbarism that has been working so well for them, has finally set that in motion. That means fewer recruits. That's very important too.
Fiannan wrote:The only people really fighting ISIS are Assad, Hezbollah, the Kurds and Iran.
Where to begin.
Assad is so not fighting ISIS. Assad needs ISIS to stay in power. He doesn't want ISIS to go away at all.
And in addition to the brave Kurds and their heroic refusal to back down from ISIS, and the valuable Hezbollah contribution, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Jordan and several European countries are fighting ISIS, including France, the Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium and Britain.
You said someone wants to finish ISIS off then join with their efforts. It was unclear who you meant. Who did you mean?
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 8th, 2015, 1:21 pm
by Fiannan
KMC, where to begin. If you claim you know something about the Middle East and ISIS then here...what is Saudi Arabia's connection?:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 24324.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for who is fighting ISIS, if Assad had been bombed by Obama last year Syria would be under ISIS control. Don't even claim Obama wants ISIS to go away before he, and Turkey, can see the secular government of Assad overthrown.
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 8th, 2015, 1:23 pm
by Fiannan
Fiannan wrote:KMC, where to begin. If you claim you know something about the Middle East and ISIS then here...what is Saudi Arabia's connection?:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 24324.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for who is fighting ISIS, if Assad had been bombed by Obama last year Syria would be under ISIS control. Don't even claim Obama wants ISIS to go away before he, and Turkey, can see the secular government of Assad overthrown.
Obama should work with Assad and Iran to exterminate ISIS -- but that is not going to happen, is it?
Re: Absolutely horrific....
Posted: February 8th, 2015, 2:12 pm
by KMCopeland
Good article. Which postulates that once ISIS's money runs out, Saudi Arabia might step into the gap for them. It doesn't say that Saudi Arabia is doing that. Or has done that. It offers Saudi Arabia's involvement w/al Qaeda and 9/11 as evidence that they will -- my response to that would be that although we should be wary of anything Saudi Arabia does, it's a mistake to rely too heavily on what a government composed of different people than now, did 15 years ago, to predict what the people running things now will do, about a very different situation. It's a good way to make the wrong call.
Fiannan wrote:As for who is fighting ISIS, if Assad had been bombed by Obama last year Syria would be under ISIS control.
Good thing that didn't happen then, huh?
But if by some weird turn of events -- American air strikes or whatever -- ISIS managed to control Syria, then all the people fighting Assad for their independence might very well decide to fight ISIS instead. Which is why Assad is giving a wink and a nod to ISIS. He needs them.
Fiannan wrote:Don't even claim Obama wants ISIS to go away before he, and Turkey, can see the secular government of Assad overthrown.
I hereby claim that Obama wants ISIS to go away before he, and Turkey, can see the secular government of Assad overthrown.
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
Obama has no interest in actively (i. e., militarily) deposing Assad. Turkey? Turkey certainly has not been behaving as an ally of the US. How do you feel Turkey factors into this?