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I was thinking that prophecy is not like history. Or history in reverse.

prophecy will happen as God says it will.

Whereas history is written or spoken account mixed with their own inurpritations. Or it's completly false writen by the winners.

We can weed through history and find or judge the right coarse of action. But others will see differently. Contention fighting.

Or we can read prophecy and correct our path so we are not fighting aginst it.

So by your observations what are some prophecys that we are or most are not following? And what should we be doing to change that and prepair?

I will try to help in this understanding.

Search through the family of God from the beginning.

When has equity been established and lived and when has it not?

Then when you read the Scriptures written you can see when each went their own way and either establish equity or do not.

The words of God as to what has been, and what is, and is yet to come regarding equity, will help you in your search further to understand the words of God. ♡ ♡

Then you may clearly understand the words of Isaiah about repair of the breach and the restoration of the paths to dwell in. ♡ ♡

Ezra wrote:So by your observations what are some prophecys that we are or most are not following? And what should we be doing to change that and prepair?

I would say we are following exactly what the prophecies said we would be like. One example being 2 Nephi 12:6-9

6 Therefore, O Lord, thou hast forsaken thy people, the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and hearken unto soothsayers like the Philistines(Fortune telling, spiritology, etc.), and they please themselves in the children of strangers. Seeking a mate outside the covenant people(see also Gen. 26:34-35)

7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots.If I was Nephi or Isaiah, such word could pretty much describe our day, full of wealth as never the world has seen before. Also some people just have too many cars, I'll just put it out there.

8 Their land is also full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made.We are naturally an idolotras people. And I'm not just talking American Idol.

9 And the mean man boweth not down, and the great man humbleth himself not, therefore, forgive him not.Humility is not seen as a comely trait today.

Ezra wrote:I was thinking that prophecy is not like history. Or history in reverse.

FWIW, If you read Moses account of the exodus and compare it with John's revelations you will see only one difference, one is about the past and one is about the future. As we start to understand the true nature of the past we start to understand the future. This is the reason why Avraham Gileadi labeled one of his books on Isaiah's, "The End From the Beginning." For Isaiah truly saw "things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come." D&C 93:24, The Lord tells us, "truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come." Isaiah tells us about the end by describing the beginning in the very same way John the revelator does. Isaiah, Nephi, John the Revelator, Ezekiel, Daniel, Moroni, and Joseph Smith to name a few all understood the past, and drew on past historical events to describe the future. This is "the language of the prophets." (1 Nephi:1:2) When you understand the past, you understand the plainness of the language of the prophets and you understand the prophecies of the future. Without knowledge of the past, we simply cannot fully comprehend prophecies of the future.

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Ezra wrote:So by your observations what are some prophecys that we are or most are not following? And what should we be doing to change that and prepair?

I would say we are following exactly what the prophecies said we would be like. One example being 2 Nephi 12:6-9

6 Therefore, O Lord, thou hast forsaken thy people, the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and hearken unto soothsayers like the Philistines(Fortune telling, spiritology, etc.), and they please themselves in the children of strangers. Seeking a mate outside the covenant people(see also Gen. 26:34-35)

7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots.If I was Nephi or Isaiah, such word could pretty much describe our day, full of wealth as never the world has seen before. Also some people just have too many cars, I'll just put it out there.

8 Their land is also full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made.We are naturally an idolotras people. And I'm not just talking American Idol.

9 And the mean man boweth not down, and the great man humbleth himself not, therefore, forgive him not.Humility is not seen as a comely trait today.

Ya maybe I didn't make my questions clear. There is always so much unsaid in our heads.


For prophecys on the wicked.

Yes we are following the wicked paths that have been foretold. Most do this even the lds. What are they and how do we go about changing our ways to be in line with what we should be?

For the good fortold paths. That we are not following what are they and how do we best follow them.


I agree with the above statements. There is equality in all things.We can't ignor the past and history.
Trying to only understand one or the other won't give us a complet knowledge.

One might aslo point out that to better understand past you study prophecy of the future. Just as with study of the past to understand prophecy.

Robert can you explain this. Give me a scripture so I can read and better understand.

You said
(Then you may clearly understand the words of Isaiah about repair of the breach and the restoration of the paths to dwell in.)

Ezekiel 37:15-23. ♡ ♡

The fast or sacrifice that has been chosen of God is to undo others heavy burdens and break the yokes of abject poverty and oppression from off their backs by being equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly. ♡ ♡

As is taught in the "One Stick" given unto Ephraim and his invited guests. ♡ ♡

To be confounded no more on how to treat the poor among us. ♡ ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:To be confounded no more on how to treat the poor among us. ♡ ♡

Worldly poor or spiritually poor?

I have very little yet I'm rich as I have no debt only a small percent of Americans can say that. So I accualy own things.

Whereas most don't accually own anything the bank does. And usually that debt overrides any ownership they might have. To me it dosent matter what kind of cars they drive how big the house is or how many toys they are "buying". They are in debt. They have the apperance of wealth. But it wealth of the world. And it's not even theirs. It's the banks.
And those people to me are spiritually poor and worldy poor as to have the desire for such things of the world and don't even own them anyways. Though they say they do.

But the lord has defined poor as in poor in spirit. That richness is rich in spirit and knowledge of his ways. Yet in some places I read it also poor in wordly things I see that as things that provide safty. Like a warm dry place and space to grow food. Which isant much at all.

To me if a person has that and no debt. They are rich.

So is equality in worldly things or is it spiritual that the lord is asking us to do?

Both a temporal and a spiritual "feast of fat things" well refined. ♡ ♡

"Unto which all nations shall be invited" ♡ ♡

So the best way I see to help correct the coarse we are on is to teach selflessness. Teach why we are so selfish and how to overcome that. Teach how and why satan is promoting Worldlyness.

Untell we become selfless we will never be equal.

Follow and learn dilligently all the things Jesus Christ has said to do, and all the ways Jesus Christ has said to be like, and all the things Jesus Christ has said to know.

Hold fast to his words notwithstanding the fog of the teachings of men and their mighty wind that blows as the east wind that dries up the vineyard, press forward feasting upon the words of Jesus Christ until the very end of your lives.

That you might be granted to partake of the fruit of the tree of life and entrance into the Holy City of God. ♡ ♡

No one of all the teachers of goodness and righteousness and justice and equity and love and purity of heart surpasses the teachings and life example of Jesus Christ.

Surely every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that he alone has earned the title of Lord of the vineyard, Jehovah, Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, The King and Savior and Messiah of all the earth. ♡ ♡

Brigham young recived this prophecy

Thus saith the Lord unto my servant Brigham, Call ye, call ye, upon the inhabitants of Zion, to organize themselves in the Order of Enoch.

When he recived this and instructions as of to what the order of Enoch was. He was also promised that if we were to do this. We would be like the people of Enoch.

The United order is part of the order of Enoch. Another part is how they patterned their education of their youth. Which was to have church run schools where the scriptures where taught paramount.

Brigham young orgonanized those schools which after a short time the saints rejected despite warnings and guidelines not to. Even warnings that they would most likly loose there seat in the celestial kingdom if they sent there children to be taught by the world.

They still opted to go the way of the world and send their children to public schools.


So the promise still remains. We can pattern our lives like the people of Enoch And be a people who are close to exaltation.

Here is Avraham Gileadi expounding on my previous post...

"The Prophecy of Isaiah, encoded by literary devices, reveals a vision of the end of the world and brings to light parts of Hebrew religion that were lost. The Book of Isaiah shows that the end is foretold by events that occurred in the beginning, the future mirroring the past." -Avraham Gileadi

"Showing how Isaiah predicts the end from the beginning by prophesying new versions of ancient events. Uncovering an implicit sequence or chronology of end-time events that becomes apparent when linking together new versions of ancient events, domino fashion, throughout the text. Determining that the end of the world is contained in Israel's past, in a repetition of ancient events within it's own sequence called the "Day of Jehovah." -Avraham Gileadi

"As Isaiah informs us, God, "foretells the end from the beginning, from ancient times things yet not done." (Isa. 46:10) That may seem an obvious statement, coming from a prophet. But we already know it doesn't just mean that God predicts the future in plain terms. God's revelation is multi-dimensional. He also foretells the end by orchestrating history itself, so that what happened in the beginning will happen again at the end. The "end" - that is, the end of the world-is thus foretold "from the beginning" in Israel's own history."

"This linking together of past events to create a sequence of end-time events tell us what Isaiah means by the "Day of Jehovah." That day consists of a cycle of new events patterned after the old that comprehends the past and the future in one. Isaiah's domino structure interconnects and accounts for all parts of the Book of Isaiah. It outlines a single end-time scenario. Indeed, once set in motion, the entire sequence of new events unfolds in rapid succession like a domino effect." -Avraham Gileadi

As it is with Isaiah, so it is with all the prophets of old. The language of all the prophets and the origins of myth, ritual, symbolism, and religious beliefs derive from what happened in the beginning. This is why the Book of Abraham is so mind blowing because it truly take us further back in time (the beginning) than any book of scripture and thus takes us further in time than any other book. Thus One Eternal Round. A repeated cycle of events.