LDS Freedom Forum

Muerte Rosa wrote:You have ward dances?

Muerte Rosa wrote:What you're talking about is lack of options and desperation. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

Muerte Rosa wrote:Maybe it's you who's on crack fiannan.

Fiannan wrote:

Muerte Rosa wrote:What you're talking about is lack of options and desperation. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

Ah, but what the Church now officially recognizes as the LBGT community (way more significant than many people might think) believes that we need to instill in the population that all people with same-sex attraction of any kind are genetically different.

Now try to give a talk in Church against homosexuality.

Twenty years from now young people will vehemently deny the Church ever made statements that homosexuality was negative.

Lizzy60 wrote:I believe fiannan is right on target, except that I think that maybe 20 years is too far out.

A man was excommunicated in 1977 for saying that the Church should, and would, be giving blacks the Priesthood. A year later he was proven correct. I was a young married person in 1978, and I remember that there were quite a few people who were very surprised. It seemed like a huge reversal in doctrine to them. It is possible for the same thing to happen with LGTB. NOT saying it will happen that way, just that it's a possibility.

You do like to call people names, don't you Pink Death? It shows your disinclination to carry on an intelligent conversation.

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Wonder what it will be?

Muerte Rosa wrote:You guys are all blowin hot air today lol.

Muerte Rosa wrote:

Fiannan wrote:

Muerte Rosa wrote:Maybe it's you who's on crack fiannan.

You doubt me? Try giving a talk against birth control which only focuses on quotes from past prophets. Most people today would never believe that leaders said that limiting your family to three kids for instance was a direct violation of the covenants taken in the temple.

Yep i do. I think it's a HUGE stretch to compare birth control to homosexuality. HUUUUGE. I think the world in general is becoming more accepting of it, just like they are of having children out of wedlock and adultery, but i don't think at any time in our church will we look back and "remember the time where we didn't accept homosexuality". You rely to much on your psychobabble. The more you talk the less convinced i am of the things you say.

Fiannan wrote:I listened to the news conference. The talk from the lady made it sound as if the LDS Church has a long history of supporting gay rights. Is that true? Give me some examples.

Lizzy60 wrote:Ezra, does your interpretation of "hate the sin, love the sinner" extend to welcoming obviously gay couples holding hands and dancing at church dances, and giving a peck on the cheek to their partner in our chapels, things we would accept from hetero-couples? If the gay couple, male or female, adopts children, do we welcome their family to our ward parties and Primary activities? These questions are already here in some wards and stakes. Where do you draw the line on love and acceptance, while hating the sin? I am NOT saying I have an answer. I just know the questions that are out there, now.

Obrien wrote:

Fiannan wrote:

Muerte Rosa wrote:What you're talking about is lack of options and desperation. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

Ah, but what the Church now officially recognizes as the LBGT community (way more significant than many people might think) believes that we need to instill in the population that all people with same-sex attraction of any kind are genetically different.

Now try to give a talk in Church against homosexuality.

Twenty years from now young people will vehemently deny the Church ever made statements that homosexuality was negative.

Agreed, except that I don't think it will take 20 years for the YOUNG PEOPLE to make these kinds of statements. I'm mid-40's, so in 20 years I'll just be hitting the age of becoming an apostle, and I still remember all the anti-gay talk of SWK, BKP, et al through the 80's and 90's. It will take ANOTHER 20 years (so 40 years from now) for the young people of today to reach apostle age - that's when they will vehemently deny the Church ever made statements that homosexuality was negative. IF we last that long...

Lizzy60 wrote:That was from one talk, Bro Jones -- however another talk was very heavy-handed on the Follow the Prophet, and stay in the boat, etc. Please re-read Elder Ballard's talk, Stay in the Boat and Hold On. Here is the part that was heavily stressed in my RS last Sunday. ------

"The experienced river guides today can be likened to the Church’s apostles and prophets and inspired local priesthood and auxiliary leaders. They help us arrive safely to our final destination.

Recently, I spoke at the new mission presidents’ seminar and counseled these leaders:

“Keep the eyes of the mission on the leaders of the Church. … We will not and … cannot lead [you] astray.

“And as you teach your missionaries to focus their eyes on us, teach them to never follow those who think they know more about how to administer the affairs of the Church than … Heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ do” through the priesthood leaders who have the keys to preside.

“I have discovered in my ministry that those who have become lost [and] confused are typically those who have most often … forgotten that when the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve speak with a united voice, it is the voice of the Lord for that time. The Lord reminds us, ‘Whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same’ [D&C 1:38].”5

In other words, they leave the Old Ship Zion—they fall away; they apostatize. Tragically, they often experience short-term and eventually long-term unintended consequences, not only for themselves but also for their families.

Our local Church leaders, like seasoned river guides, have been tutored by life’s experiences; have been trained and mentored by apostles and prophets and other officers of the Church; and, most important, have been tutored by the Lord Himself."

Ballard allows NO possibility that there would ever be any straying from truth by the Senior Leaders of the Church.

BroJones wrote:Excellent news conference - declaring the intention of the Church to pursue freedom of speech as a Constitutional right - and not be silenced nor forced on LGBT issues.

Fiannan wrote:Will the Church officially announce its support of laws to protect the rights of polygamists?

Lizzy60 wrote:I believe fiannan is right on target, except that I think that maybe 20 years is too far out.

A man was excommunicated in 1977 for saying that the Church should, and would, be giving blacks the Priesthood. A year later he was proven correct. I was a young married person in 1978, and I remember that there were quite a few people who were very surprised. It seemed like a huge reversal in doctrine to them. It is possible for the same thing to happen with LGTB. NOT saying it will happen that way, just that it's a possibility.

You do like to call people names, don't you Pink Death? It shows your disinclination to carry on an intelligent conversation.