LDS Freedom Forum

If one understood the wisdom of allowing for a tax deduction instead of a penalty they would see I have advocated for freewill offerings to be promoted and indeed advocated. ♡ ♡

Robert we have very diffent definitions or understandings of force. Majority vote is still force. As it still forces the other 49 %

Any degree of domininon and amen to the pristhood athority of that man.

And from what the prophets and scripture says. Amen to yours Robert.
Like I said befor. I know your hearts in the right place. But your not serving the lord when your using satans plan for accomplishing taking care of the poor. It's complely voluntary or its satans plan.

There is no grey area.

Ezra,

Sorry, it is sometimes hard to tell when a statement is meant seriously or as a "Poke". In the past few months, while I have read a lot of his posts, I don't have to time or desire to read all of them (especially when he starts a topic then continues it by making multiple responses to his own posts).

While it all smelled "fishy" to me, I couldn't completely put my finger on exactly what he was proposing (and condemning). Maybe I was the only one who couldn't mine it out of his volumes of pontification. I apologize for my denseness. I Started my topic because anytime I brought up the concept of Helping people help themselves, all I heard were crickets. It was only after he posted responses to my topic where I described my own personal experience with starving Peruvian farmers who were starving because the government had taken the land they had been helping rich land barons farm, away from the rich land barons and gave it to the poor farmers who had no idea how to manage the land, which begat horrible misery to the very people they were trying to help, that I really understood what he had been saying.

In his response, I finally figured out that this was not an oversight, but the core of his belief. No wonder he want to call the LDS leaders to repentance, this very core Mormon idea of helping people help themselves is completely antithetical to his belief.

Regards,

George Clay

George, I can understand the plight of the poor farmers, just being handed land, without the infrastructure of a united people seeking to help one another as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has been dilligently instructed to so do. ♡ ♡

Or,

a united people such as the Jews. ♡ ♡

As far as a call of repentance it remains there in the "One Stick" given unto Ephraim and his invited guests, with or without me. ♡ ♡

He is from California. That should answer some questions.

I honestly belive that he is a good guy with a big heart. He is just going about it the wrong way. As many lds are. As I was once.

Gods gosple is so simple. So black and white.

And yet satan try's to paint it all in grey.

It really is sad that people argue on this topic. Where the education of the correct path should be known to all members of the church.
They don't call satan the master of lies for nothing.

Come now and let us reason together are we all not of the same family of God here to love one another and care for one another and to serve one another? ♡ ♡

Have we all not the same very Eternal Father in Heaven?

I do not wish to fight nor quarrel anymore. ♡ ♡

Ezra,

Good points Ezra. I perceive myself to be a straight talker(and writer), and I like clarity. I always have my suspicions when people wrap themselves in too many quotes and metaphorical language. While I had my suspicions about what Robert was saying, his language always left room for doubt that he might have some valid point there (and maybe that is the reason he writes the way he writes.. gives the opportunity for the reader to read into it whatever they want to).

I was pleased and thankful when he actually came out with some reasonably clear statements about exactly what he is calling everybody to repentance to do. I believe that there must be others here who scratch their heads wondering just what is it that he is actually saying. That is the reason I have suggested to read the exchange between he and I in my topic "Socialist Quixotic land Scheme Up close and personal".

Robert Spencer,

Now that I know what your perception of Christlike love is, while I think is is incredibly destructive and evil, I will agree with Ezra, and give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a good guy trying to get the word out about what you believe. Now that I clearly understand what it is, I see no need to "pick that scab" anymore, and I will not bother you again about it.

Regards,

George Clay

Thanks George,

I truly believe that this Freedom Forum was the safest place for me to get out my thoughts without physical harm being done to me by misunderstanding loyal subjects to the Lord's annointed and chosen in these latter days.

After reading all the Scriptures written I could find I began to see things that most would not be able to see.

Most do not understand that the words of God regarding the House of Ephraim must be fullfilled every whit.

His words for the House of Ephraim are what they are.

I have only done what I felt I was called to say once my eyes and ears and heart became knowledgeable of these things, and of a need to sound the alarm and weep and howl and blow the trumpet in Zion of the perversion of equity as the Lord has said.

Whether I am alive or not the words written remain the same for Ephraim as well as those words written for Judah.

The truth of things spoken shall remain that both must join together with the forsaking idols and detestable things and their sins and serve God alone.

That they are to be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly by imparting of covenants and deeds that cannot be broken into the hands of the poor Saints sufficient for the support of their families from the consecrated Tithes and Offerings of the Lord. ♡ ♡

That inasmuch as they have imparted and given unto the least among them they have given it to God himself. ♡ ♡