Obamacare LDS religious exemption

[KMCopeland]

Property taxes, inheritance taxes, capital gains taxes, mandatory insurances, licenses for every means of independent family industry, condemning land for Eminent Domain, denial of the right to live 'off the grid' or to legally circumvent a rigged system are imposed on the people of the US, NOT necessarily because we are willing to take a handout from the government.

Where could you live and be free of all that?

Taiwan, pretty much. I imagin there are others, too.

Taiwan doesn't come close to being free of all that.


Of industrialized nations, taxes in this country are comparatively low.

[KMCopeland]

Of course you're going to use it. No one in your family is ever going to need medical care?

Why then do the Amish NOT get Obamacare? -- and further, why are they "allowed" to be exempt from it? Can you answer KMC?

I don't think the Amish object to Obamacare. My understanding is they object to insurance -- and I don't know why. But the OP is looking for a religious exemption because she doesn't believe in government dependency. Which probably isn't going to work. Then there's the fact that Obamacare isn't about government dependency at all. It's a law that requires you to buy health insurance, much like the law that requires you to buy car insurance.

You are missing the point on Obamacare entirely. These laws are destroying our freedom slowly, but surely.

The talk you reference is probably 20 years old. Do you wonder what President Benson considered socialized medicine then? When he gave the talk? I sure do. It's certain that he wasn't talking about Obamacare, since it wasn't around then.


Obamacare doesn't remotely resemble socialized medicine. Medicare is much closer to that, and it's 50 years old. Do you think President Benson was counseling against church members participating in Medicare?

[JohnnyL]

Where could you live and be free of all that?

Taiwan, pretty much. I imagin there are others, too.

Taiwan doesn't come close to being free of all that.
Of industrialized nations, taxes in this country are comparatively low.

Oh, but it does.

[JohnnyL]

How can you twist that understanding from me wanting to live simply.
Kmc
When you live worldly you have bills. When you desire big house fancy cars and all the toys the world has to offer you have bills. What you own start owning you as you have to maintain them.

I watched my parents make payments for a house for 27 years and when they sold it they owed the same amount as when they bought it. Took out mortgages for up keep.
I had already had a good taste of living simply with the job I had. Working at a wilderness youth program. I knew how happy you could be with just what you could carry and a tarp to sleep under. So I decided that life of being in debt to buy a house and cars and toys wasn't for me.

So I saved and payed cash for my first second and now 3rd house.
I was out of debt for 4 years befor my dad finnally payed off his place. And I know I modavated him to do that a little faster then he would have. I am retired. I'm 36.
And I have never had a job that payed more then 15 an hour.

I don't look down on people who want things. I want things. There are lots of things I would love to own. To me though those things in no way out weigh the peace and the stress free life of being out of debt provides.

So I put them out of my mind. And enjoy what I have.

One of those is time to think. And what I have noticed is People who have a bunch of stuff. Don't think. Or read. Their lives are too full. To many forms of entertainment. Tv phones games. Sports teams to watch. And then they have to work their butts off to pay for all those "comforts" but they aren't happy. They work hard then entertain themselfs with their stuff to relaxe from the stresses of the days of work.
Worship is putting your thoughts and energy into something.

They worship the things of the world. And they leave very little time for worship of anything eles. 3 hours of church on Sunday's where they spend the time in the halls or befor class talking and thinking about their sports teams and there new trucks or toys instead of on the lord and his knowledge.

That's not for me. Too complicated. I like my simple life. I like to be able to walk out my door in the morning sit and watch the birds on the lake. Listen to the wind. Watch the waves. Turn off the thoughts of the "world" and open myself up to the spirit and sit and learn

If that's dosent sound nice to you that's fine. I'm not trying to force it on you.

You are trying to force the world on me. With your taxation and health care and welfare and programs.

I don't want them. I don't need them. And I don't care if you and 99% of others think I do.

I have a right a God given right for the persuit of happiness. Paying for all the programs that I will not use dosent make me happy. So I on purpose make less then the taxable amount.

I drive as little as possible. I grow all my own food. And soon will produce my own power.

I'm sorry if that upsets you. But it makes me happy and it also make it to where I'm obeying our lord. Be in the world not of it.

Or Did I miss the memo that says worldliness is next to godliness?

Ezra, I for one, and I imagine many more also, would love to hear more/ greater details about your self-sufficiency/ self-reliance experiences that you would feel comfortable sharing.

[KMCopeland]

How can you twist that understanding from me wanting to live simply.

I admire you for wanting to live simply. I admire the courage of your convictions that you so obviously have. My beef with you is how free you are to label things, and people, "evil." I really wish you'd quit that.

[Ezra]

How can you twist that understanding from me wanting to live simply.

I admire you for wanting to live simply. I admire the courage of your convictions that you so obviously have. My beef with you is how free you are to label things, and people, "evil." I really wish you'd quit that.

Truth cuts like a knife to the wicked.

How many times have we been told to not be worldly? To be in it not of it?

Many are called few chosen because they care so much about the things of the world.

These are not my words but the words of scripture. And Ive listened.

If it cuts you its because you need to be cut.

[KMCopeland]

How can you twist that understanding from me wanting to live simply.

I admire you for wanting to live simply. I admire the courage of your convictions that you so obviously have. My beef with you is how free you are to label things, and people, "evil." I really wish you'd quit that.

Truth cuts like a knife to the wicked.

Oh good. Now it's "wicked." I feel so much better.

[A Random Phrase]

If you make less then 10,000$ per year as an individual or less then 20,000$ as a family. Then you will not be fined for not having insurance. You are only fined for the money you make above that 10,000 for individual. 20,000 for family.

From healthcare.gov

The fee in 2015

If you don’t have coverage in 2015, you’ll pay the higher of these two amounts:

2% of your yearly household income. (Only the amount of income above the tax filing threshold, about $10,000 for an individual, is used to calculate the penalty.) The maximum penalty is the national average premium for a bronze plan.
$325 per person for the year ($162.50 per child under 18). The maximum penalty per family using this method is $975.
The fee for not having coverage in 2014

If you didn’t have coverage in 2014, you’ll pay the higher of these two amounts when you file your 2014 federal tax return:

1% of your yearly household income. (Only the amount of income above the tax filing threshold, about $10,000 for an individual, is used to calculate the penalty.) The maximum penalty is the national average premium for a bronze plan.

$95 per person for the year ($47.50 per child under 18). The maximum penalty per family using this method is $285.

The fee after 2015

The penalty increases every year. In 2016 it’s 2.5% of income or $695 per person. After that it's adjusted for inflation.



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Here is a flow chart which makes more sence.

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Thanks for the info.