Obamacare LDS religious exemption

[butterfly]

Does anyone know if the LDS church can be used for religious exemption from Obamacare? On the healthcare.gov website, it says that one can "apply for an exemption based on membership in a recognized religious sect whose members object to insurance."
Now, I know we don't object to insurance but we do object to government dependency. I don't like the healthcare options that we are given under Obamacare but I want to be in compliance with the law so I don't have to pay the fine. Has anyone tried applying for religious exemption or maybe found another alternative to cheaper health insurance that satisfies the healthcare law? I can't stand having to pay for something that we're not going to use.

[BroJones]

Answer to your first question - probably not.

But, the Amish have this exemption. You might check out the Beachy Amish - computers, cars, but not TV or radio... and strongly Christian, and evidently accepting of new folks. Just a thought, can't tell you how or if...

Late, gotta run!

[gkearney]

Answer to your first question - probably not.

But, the Amish have this exemption. You might check out the Beachy Amish - computers, cars, but not TV or radio... and strongly Christian, and evidently accepting of new folks. Just a thought, can't tell you how or if...

Late, gotta run!

Just a thought but isn't permitting computers but rejecting TV and radio rather self defeating given that the world of broadcasting is quickly moving to the internet?

[Lizzy60]

I don't believe that we can say that the Church(tm) objects to government dependency. I know firsthand of cases where Bishops told people in need of financial help that were required to get any help they qualified for, from government programs, before the church could help them. They offered a week or two of food, but said they would not be able to give long-term help if the needy folks did not apply for food stamps, etc. BYU even has a department set up to aid students in applying for food stamps and other freebies from the state and federal governments.
I'm old enough to remember when it was counseled that we provide for our own, as a church, rather than go to the government. The tables have turned.
Btw, my experience comes from serving as ward RS president, and stake RS counselor, here in the US. I've also had kids attend BYU.

[Ezra]

The church has publicly posted a first presidency message to the entire church to when in need of help go to your family and then the church never to the government. This was in the 70s

[tmac]

The church has publicly posted a first presidency message to the entire church to when in need of help go to your family and then the church never to the government. This was in the 70s

Times have changes . . . . in so many ways.

[gkearney]

The church has publicly posted a first presidency message to the entire church to when in need of help go to your family and then the church never to the government. This was in the 70s

This is from section 6.1.1 of the current Handbook of
instructions Vol 2. I note that it is silent on the matter of government assistance.

"When Church members are doing all they can to provide for themselves but cannot meet their basic needs, generally they should first turn to their families for help. When this is not sufficient or feasible, the Church stands ready to help.
6. Welfare Principles and Leadership"

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[buffalo_girl]

"When Church members are doing all they can to provide for themselves but cannot meet their basic needs, generally they should first turn to their families for help. When this is not sufficient or feasible, the Church stands ready to help.
6. Welfare Principles and Leadership"

Didn't work for me as a full tithe paying, single parent going to BYU during the very time when GA's were telling us to do ANYTHING but take government assistance. When I asked, my bishop told me it wasn't possible to help 'everyone' in my situation and it was best for me to get state welfare assistance.

When I called my HT's to administer to my 7-year old, I was told to take him to a doctor. I guess there isn't a universal conviction amongst Latter-day Saints about Priesthood Power to heal the sick. Obamacare must be the better option?!

[Ezra]

"When Church members are doing all they can to provide for themselves but cannot meet their basic needs, generally they should first turn to their families for help. When this is not sufficient or feasible, the Church stands ready to help.
6. Welfare Principles and Leadership"

Didn't work for me as a full tithe paying, single parent going to BYU during the very time when GA's were telling us to do ANYTHING but take government assistance. When I asked, my bishop told me it wasn't possible to help 'everyone' in my situation and it was best for me to get state welfare assistance.

When I called my HT's to administer to my 7-year old, I was told to take him to a doctor. I guess there isn't a universal conviction amongst Latter-day Saints about Priesthood Power to heal the sick. Obamacare must be the better option?!

That is the mind set they want.

J Reuben Clark PPNS p.327 CN 9/25/49
We may first observe that communism and socialism---which we shall hereafter group together and dub statism---cannot live with Christianity, now with any religion that postulates a creator such as The Declaration of Independence recognizes. The slaves of statism must know no power, no authority, no source of blessings, no God, but the state. The state must be supreme in everything. Do not think that all these usurpations, intimidations, and impositions are being done to us through inadvertence or mistake. The whole course is deliberately planned and carried out. Its purpose is to destroy the constitution and our constitutional government; then to bring chaos, out of which the New Statism, with its slavery is to arise, with a cruel, relentless, selfish, ambitious crew in the saddle, riding hard with ship and spur, a red-shrouded band of night riders for despotism…If we do not fight for our liberties, we will go clear through to the end and become another Russia or worse.

They (secret combanations) want us to seek the state not God.

David O McKay 1960 letter to BYU President Wilkinson
I cannot help but think that there is a direct relationship between the present evil trends and the very marked tendency of the people of our country to pass on to the state the responsibility for their own moral and economic welfare. This trend to a welfare state in which people look to and worship government more than God, is certain to sap the individual ambitions and moral fiber of our youth unless they are warned of the consequences. History is replete with the downfall of nations who, instead of assuming their own responsibility…mistakenly attempted to shift their individual responsibility to the government.

Bye bye America. And bye bye all of you who support and encourage its welfare lifestyle.

[samizdat]

"When Church members are doing all they can to provide for themselves but cannot meet their basic needs, generally they should first turn to their families for help. When this is not sufficient or feasible, the Church stands ready to help.
6. Welfare Principles and Leadership"

Didn't work for me as a full tithe paying, single parent going to BYU during the very time when GA's were telling us to do ANYTHING but take government assistance. When I asked, my bishop told me it wasn't possible to help 'everyone' in my situation and it was best for me to get state welfare assistance.

When I called my HT's to administer to my 7-year old, I was told to take him to a doctor. I guess there isn't a universal conviction amongst Latter-day Saints about Priesthood Power to heal the sick. Obamacare must be the better option?!

That is the mind set they want.

J Reuben Clark PPNS p.327 CN 9/25/49
We may first observe that communism and socialism---which we shall hereafter group together and dub statism---cannot live with Christianity, now with any religion that postulates a creator such as The Declaration of Independence recognizes. The slaves of statism must know no power, no authority, no source of blessings, no God, but the state. The state must be supreme in everything. Do not think that all these usurpations, intimidations, and impositions are being done to us through inadvertence or mistake. The whole course is deliberately planned and carried out. Its purpose is to destroy the constitution and our constitutional government; then to bring chaos, out of which the New Statism, with its slavery is to arise, with a cruel, relentless, selfish, ambitious crew in the saddle, riding hard with ship and spur, a red-shrouded band of night riders for despotism…If we do not fight for our liberties, we will go clear through to the end and become another Russia or worse.

They (secret combanations) want us to seek the state not God.

That is very sad Buffalogirl and I echo Ezra's statement.

And too many people go about looking for a type of savior just because he happens to be a priesthood holder, rather than looking for God.

[Ezra]

More statements that you could use to get a possible exception.

Howard W Hunter March 8, 1966 BYU Devotional
Under a free enterprise economy, little more than 6% of the world population has produced nearly half of the world’s goods. We can today best wage a war on poverty by working on the roots of prosperity, not by sapping their vital strength. To sap the self-reliant spirit of enterprising independent souls in the development of a welfare state can bring only “poverty equally divided”. When the responsibility for their won welfare is completely shifted from the shoulders of individuals and families to the state, a lethal blow is struck at both the roots of our prosperity and our moral growth. What is the real cause of this trend toward the welfare state, toward more socialism? …it is personal unrighteousness.

Pres. David O McKay Nov 2, 1964 Deseret News; An Enemy Hath Done This p. 296; PPNS p. 378
As a matter of general policy the BYU Board of Trustees has long adhered to a position opposed to general federal aid to education. We have always objected to the Church or any of its branches or agencies receiving any subsidy or gift from the government. …We have steadfastly refused to participate in any federal educational program which is based upon the subsidy principle.

Pres. Spencer W Kimball Aug 7, 1976 Deseret News
We don’t believe in government welfare systems! We teach our people to be thrifty, so that if they get into financial trouble they can look to their family, then to the church, but NEVER to the government.



David O McKay March 14, 1953 Church News; PPNS p. 346-7; Awakening To Our Awful Situation p. 75
I shall raise my voice as long as God gives me sound or ability, against the communistic idea that the government will take care of us all, and that everything belongs to the government. … It is wrong! No wonder, in trying to perpetuate that idea that men become anti-Christ, because those teachings strike directly at the doctrines of the Savior. No government owes you a living. You get it yourself by your own acts. …

Ezra Taft Benson Oct 1962 CR; PPNS p. 239
To some extent we Latter-day Saints and Americans every where must share some of the blame for we have not been awake to the warnings of the prophets. We have not exerted our righteous influence as citizens to stop this disastrous course. Our skirts are not entirely clean. Many of us have been asleep in Zion. …

James Madison
Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they were violent in their deaths.
Fisher Ames 1801 USA Legislator
“Liberty has never yet lasted long in a democracy, nor has it ever ended in anything better than despotism.”
Washington, Madison, Hamilton, Adams, Jefferson, Randolph, Ames, and Gerry referred to democracy only to warn against the tyranny they knew it would ultimately bring. [Democracy] is a dangerous form of government where the majority rules. It is dangerous because history repeatedly shows that the majority’s attitude can be bought, pressured, or deceived into approving the designs of sinister leaders.
Marcus Tullins Cicero
“Democracy becomes mob rule, chaos and dictatorship”

Ezra Taft Benson An Enemy Hath Done This p. 115
Rome began to tax everything that could be taxed, and to regulate everything that could be regulated; even to the load that could be carried on an @#$. … They put names on the public payroll until a third of the citizens of Rome were on the national payroll and that republic collapsed. A dictatorship followed until the fat accumulated during the days of the republic had been consumed, and then the empire fell. “In the end, more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security, a comfortable life, and they lost all. The Athenians wished most for was freedom from responsibility; the Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.” (Edith Hamilton)

Thomas Jefferson This Nation Shall Endure p. 98; Ezra Taft Benson
To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must take our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude.

Samuel Adams 1776 Great Quotes p. 808; An Enemy Hath Done This p. 29
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Spencer W Kimball April 1963 CR p. 23 blue quotes
[One who reads The Book of Mormon] will see people taxed from 50 percent, and then to totalness, to slavery, and to bondage. He will see power-greedy, paternalistic, centralized governments move toward the inevitable revolution which finally impoverishes but frees the people to begin again from ashes.

Thomas Jefferson An Enemy Hath Done This p. 134; PPNS p. 125
What has destroyed liberty and the rights of man in every government which has ever existed under the sun? The generalizing and concentrating all cares and powers into one body.

Spencer W Kimball 8 June 1976 Rotary Club SLC; Quotes Blue Cover p. 23
A lot of us take our rights for granted. We were born in a free country. We think freedom could never end. But it could. It is ending today in many countries. We could lose it too.

J Reuben Clark Jr April 1944 CR; An Enemy Hath Done This p. 310; PPNS p. 89
I say unto you with all the soberness I can, that we stand in danger of losing our liberties, and that once lost only blood will bring them back; and once lost, we of this church will, in order to keep the church going forward, have more sacrifices to make and more persecutions to endure than we have yet known, heavy as our sacrifices and gracious as our persecutions of the past have been…If we do not vigorously fight for our liberties, we shall go clear through to the end of the road and become another Russia, or worse. (He adds that if the conspiracy ever completely takes over America, and destroys our freedom by instituting of police state) it will probably come in its full vigor and there will be a lot of vacant places among those who guide and direct, not only this government, but also this church of ours.
Book of Mormon and The Constitution p. 77-78
Communism has such an irresistible appeal to the proud, the power-hungry and those who seek to live on the labor of others. It is the perfect system for wickedness of all kinds. …[it] appeals to the evil in men [more than any other political philosophy]. To the power-hungry they offer countless opportunities to rule over others. To those who desire to destroy the work of God, they provide a police force which will kill the saints and the prophets. To those who desire to commit sin without punishment, they offer a set of laws which either do not punish iniquity, or which enable the wicked to escape punishment by the payment of money. A completely corrupted government is truly the Mother of Abominations.

J Reuben Clark Jr Jan 24 1945 PPNS p. 322-323
Our fears that our old age would find us penniless and in want have been played upon, and we have been persuaded that the state would care for us in our old age, we forgetting that this would make of the nation one great poorhouse. We are not through with that technique… This is state socialism; it is not democracy, it is not the concept of a republic. History is repeating itself. Esau being hungry, sold his birthright to Jacob for a mess of pottage. We are a nation of Esau’s… We shall come into post-war American in substantial part…regimented for a socialized state and government which deifies the state and makes men its slaves.

Howard W Hunter March 8 1966 BYU Devotional
If you deprive a man of his right to fail in the righteous use of his property, you also deprive him of his right to succeed. If you remove from a man his right to: go to hell” you likewise remove his free agency to go to heaven. Satan’s entire philosophy is based on a “something for nothing” philosophy; Salvation without effort…A free gift. This counterfeit doctrine was rejected by God our Father. Our Elder Brother, Jesus Christ, accepted our Father’s plan and agreed to pay the infinite price to become our Savior and Redeemer and to show us the way back to the Father. The way is often the hard way. It is the Law of the Harvest.

Ezra Taft Benson
No matter what you call it – Communism, Socialism, or the welfare state – our freedom is sacrificed.

Thomas Jefferson
A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything away.

Anthony W Ivans Oct 1932 CR p. 111-2
I fear this, that under existing conditions [in 1932] we are gradually drifting toward a paternal government, a government which will so entrench itself that the people will become powerless to disrupt it, in which the lives and liberty of the people at large may be jeopardized. They are pouring millions of dollars in this time of need into sources for the benefit of the people and it is a great benefit and perhaps salvation, but it is going to result in this – I am going to make this statement – that if the present policy is continued it will not be long until the government will be in the banking business, it will be in the farming business, it will be in the cattle and sheep business, for many of these debts will never be paid. That will mean the appointment of innumerable agencies. The government now is overloaded with commissions and agencies, some of them administering the very laws that Congress itself has enacted. Someone else should be administering those laws. If you want to save yourselves from the bondage of debt and political influence which are not of your own choosing, I ask you to thank of what I have said.

George Albert Smith CR-10/49:171-2 PPNS p.343
We must not fall into the bad habits of other people. We must not get into the frame of mind that we will take what the other man has. Refer back to the ten commandments, and you will find one short paragraph, “Thou shalt not covet.” That is what is the matter with a good many people today. They are coveting what somebody else has, when as a matter of fact, many of them have been cared for and provided with means to live by those very ones from whom they would take away property.

J Reuben Clark CR-10/48:78-80
The trouble with the world is they do not want a prophet teaching righteousness. They want a prophet that will tell them that what they are doing is right, no matter how wrong it may be….

Spencer W Kimball CR-4/50:41-2
As President McKay was talking about the freedoms which we seem ever more eager to exchange for bread, my thoughts went back to old Israel, who, becoming hungry, went south to Egypt and found corn. That corn tasted so good to them that they continued eating the corn of another people. Eventually they accepted the grain and the security it symbolized in full payment for their liberty. Chains and abject slavery came to them and to their children and their children’s children. Their suffering accelerated in intensity until a great Moses, under God, came to emancipate them. Thank the Lord for a deliverer! But how much nobler if people could accept the advice of God’s leaders before the bondage comes!

Ezra Taft Benson An Enemy Hath Done This p. 136 The Law pp. 21, 26 PPNS p.377
How is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime….

J Reuben Clark 1/24/45 PPNS p. 323
Joseph, acting for Pharaoh, first purchased from the people with the taxes extorted from the people, all the grain produced by the people; then when the famine came Joseph sold this grain back to the people, in the first year for all the cash they had, which he turned over to Pharaoh; in the second year for all the flocks and herds they owned, which all went to Pharaoh; next, for all their lands, which he turned over to Pharaoh and finally, he gave then grain in exchange for their bodies and they became servants unto Pharaoh. The enslavement of the people was complete, Joseph saying to them, “Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh,” and thereafter Joseph moved the people as he willed, and they rented back their lands on the terms he prescribed. There is more than one lesson in Egypt’s seven years of plenty and seven years of famine.

[buffalo_girl]

J Reuben Clark 1/24/45 PPNS p. 323
Joseph, acting for Pharaoh, first purchased from the people with the taxes extorted from the people, all the grain produced by the people; then when the famine came Joseph sold this grain back to the people, in the first year for all the cash they had, which he turned over to Pharaoh; in the second year for all the flocks and herds they owned, which all went to Pharaoh; next, for all their lands, which he turned over to Pharaoh and finally, he gave then grain in exchange for their bodies and they became servants unto Pharaoh. The enslavement of the people was complete, Joseph saying to them, “Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh,” and thereafter Joseph moved the people as he willed, and they rented back their lands on the terms he prescribed. There is more than one lesson in Egypt’s seven years of plenty and seven years of famine.

I've sometimes wondered why Joseph was ok with this method of double duping the People.

We are having this done to us in the United States. Our family has done EVERYTHING we can to remain self-reliant.

Property taxes, inheritance taxes, capital gains taxes, mandatory insurances, licenses for every means of independent family industry, condemning land for Eminent Domain, denial of the right to live 'off the grid' or to legally circumvent a rigged system are imposed on the people of the US, NOT necessarily because we are willing to take a handout from the government.

[JohnnyL]

J Reuben Clark PPNS p.327 CN 9/25/49
We may first observe that communism and socialism---which we shall hereafter group together and dub statism---cannot live with Christianity, now with any religion that postulates a creator such as The Declaration of Independence recognizes. The slaves of statism must know no power, no authority, no source of blessings, no God, but the state. The state must be supreme in everything. Do not think that all these usurpations, intimidations, and impositions are being done to us through inadvertence or mistake. The whole course is deliberately planned and carried out. Its purpose is to destroy the constitution and our constitutional government; then to bring chaos, out of which the New Statism, with its slavery is to arise, with a cruel, relentless, selfish, ambitious crew in the saddle, riding hard with ship and spur, a red-shrouded band of night riders for despotism…If we do not fight for our liberties, we will go clear through to the end and become another Russia or worse.

They (secret combanations) want us to seek the state not God.

David O McKay 1960 letter to BYU President Wilkinson
I cannot help but think that there is a direct relationship between the present evil trends and the very marked tendency of the people of our country to pass on to the state the responsibility for their own moral and economic welfare. This trend to a welfare state in which people look to and worship government more than God, is certain to sap the individual ambitions and moral fiber of our youth unless they are warned of the consequences. History is replete with the downfall of nations who, instead of assuming their own responsibility…mistakenly attempted to shift their individual responsibility to the government.

How did I miss those in the Teachings of the Presidents manual??

[Darren]

Why in our Church can't we work together and do what other Christians are doing to opt out of Obamacare?

For example: https://medi-share.org/ms/lp/picc_6-10.aspx

Unlike most uninsured Americans, Hunsley will not have to buy health insurance or risk paying a fine under the dictates of the Affordable Care Act. He and other members of health care sharing ministries are among the minority to be exempted from the individual mandate that begins in 2014.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/rel ... 56083586/1

https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.co ... ternative/



We need an LDS Community alternative like this!

God Bless,
Darren

[buffalo_girl]

We were told in Ward Conference yesterday to access 'Government Programs' as a part of family Financial Preparedness.

It wasn't clear if the Stake President was referring to 'Affordable Health Care', Medicaid, State Welfare, Unemployment, or what!

I must say, I suddenly felt that we should NEVER look to The Church - as an institution - for living outside The System.

Pretty sad.

If the IRS moves to remove charitable contributions as a tax deduction, and we cannot look to The Church for 'independence' from Babylon, WHAT will the future hold for us as Christ's Church?

[Ezra]

Why in our Church can't we work together and do what other Christians are doing to opt out of Obamacare?

For example: https://medi-share.org/ms/lp/picc_6-10.aspx

Unlike most uninsured Americans, Hunsley will not have to buy health insurance or risk paying a fine under the dictates of the Affordable Care Act. He and other members of health care sharing ministries are among the minority to be exempted from the individual mandate that begins in 2014.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/rel ... 56083586/1

https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.co ... ternative/



We need an LDS Community alternative like this!

God Bless,
Darren

We need and lds community alternative??? Why not join theirs? I'm going to look into signing up.

[BroJones]

Buff-girl:

If the IRS moves to remove charitable contributions as a tax deduction, and we cannot look to The Church for 'independence' from Babylon, WHAT will the future hold for us as Christ's Church?

A thorough cleansing by the Lord top-to-bottom:

23 Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.

24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

27 Therefore, see to it that ye trouble not yourselves concerning the affairs of my church in this place, saith the Lord.

28 But purify your hearts before me;

I believe we can pray for the promises and prophesies of the Lord to be fulfilled.

[Dubs]

Ezra Taft Benson: A Vision and Hope for the Youth of Zion

BYU Devotional -

Are we part of the problem or part of the solution?

Recently a letter came to my office, accompanied by an article from your Daily Universe, on the matter of BYU students taking food stamps. The query of the letter was: “What is the attitude of the Church on taking food stamps?” The Church’s view on this is well known. We stand for independence, thrift, and abolition of the dole. This was emphasized in the Saturday morning welfare meeting of general conference. “The aim of the Church is to help the people to help themselves. Work is to be re-enthroned as the ruling principle of the lives of our Church membership” (Heber J. Grant,Conference Report, October 1936, p. 3).

When you accept food stamps, you accept an unearned handout that other working people are paying for. You do not earn food stamps or welfare payments. Every individual who accepts an unearned government gratuity is just as morally culpable as the individual who takes a handout from taxpayers’ money to pay his heat, electricity, or rent. There is no difference in principle between them. You did not come to this University to become a welfare recipient. You came here to be a light to the world, a light to society—to save society and to help to save this nation, the Lord’s base of operations in these latter days, to ameliorate man’s social conditions. You are not here to be a parasite or freeloader. The price you pay for “something for nothing” may be more than you can afford. Do not rationalize your acceptance of government gratuities by saying, “I am a contributing taxpayer too.” By doing this you contribute to the problem which is leading this nation to financial insolvency.

Society may rationalize immorality, but God cannot condone it. Society sponsors Sabbathbreaking, but the Church counsels otherwise. Society profanes the name of Deity, but Latter-day Saints cannot countenance it. Because society condones a dole, which demoralizes man and weakens his God-given initiative and character, can we?

I know what it is, as many of your faculty members do, to work my way through school, taking classes only during winter quarters. If you don’t have the finances to complete your education, drop out a semester and go to work and save. You’ll be a better man or woman for so doing. You will have preserved your self-respect and initiative. Wisdom comes with experience and struggle, not just with going through a university matriculation. I hope you will not be deceived by current philosophies which will rob you of your godly dignity, self-respect, and initiative, those attributes that make a celestial inheritance possible. It is in that interest, and that only, that I have spoken so plainly to you.

[deep water]

One of our articles of faith tell us that we do follow our Government.

[Lizzy60]

Ezra Taft Benson: A Vision and Hope for the Youth of Zion

BYU Devotional -

Are we part of the problem or part of the solution?

Recently a letter came to my office, accompanied by an article from your Daily Universe, on the matter of BYU students taking food stamps. The query of the letter was: “What is the attitude of the Church on taking food stamps?” The Church’s view on this is well known. We stand for independence, thrift, and abolition of the dole. This was emphasized in the Saturday morning welfare meeting of general conference. “The aim of the Church is to help the people to help themselves. Work is to be re-enthroned as the ruling principle of the lives of our Church membership” (Heber J. Grant,Conference Report, October 1936, p. 3).

When you accept food stamps, you accept an unearned handout that other working people are paying for. You do not earn food stamps or welfare payments. Every individual who accepts an unearned government gratuity is just as morally culpable as the individual who takes a handout from taxpayers’ money to pay his heat, electricity, or rent. There is no difference in principle between them. You did not come to this University to become a welfare recipient. You came here to be a light to the world, a light to society—to save society and to help to save this nation, the Lord’s base of operations in these latter days, to ameliorate man’s social conditions. You are not here to be a parasite or freeloader. The price you pay for “something for nothing” may be more than you can afford. Do not rationalize your acceptance of government gratuities by saying, “I am a contributing taxpayer too.” By doing this you contribute to the problem which is leading this nation to financial insolvency.

Society may rationalize immorality, but God cannot condone it. Society sponsors Sabbathbreaking, but the Church counsels otherwise. Society profanes the name of Deity, but Latter-day Saints cannot countenance it. Because society condones a dole, which demoralizes man and weakens his God-given initiative and character, can we?

I know what it is, as many of your faculty members do, to work my way through school, taking classes only during winter quarters. If you don’t have the finances to complete your education, drop out a semester and go to work and save. You’ll be a better man or woman for so doing. You will have preserved your self-respect and initiative. Wisdom comes with experience and struggle, not just with going through a university matriculation. I hope you will not be deceived by current philosophies which will rob you of your godly dignity, self-respect, and initiative, those attributes that make a celestial inheritance possible. It is in that interest, and that only, that I have spoken so plainly to you.

This is great counsel from President Benson, but you won't find any leadership in the church today that will say this. Today students, families, and individuals are told to access all the government handouts they qualify for, before going to their Bishops for money. I've seen it happen. I've served in positions where I was told to give this stipulation. We have seen the turning of things upside-down.

[KMCopeland]

Does anyone know if the LDS church can be used for religious exemption from Obamacare? On the healthcare.gov website, it says that one can "apply for an exemption based on membership in a recognized religious sect whose members object to insurance."
Now, I know we don't object to insurance but we do object to government dependency. I don't like the healthcare options that we are given under Obamacare but I want to be in compliance with the law so I don't have to pay the fine. Has anyone tried applying for religious exemption or maybe found another alternative to cheaper health insurance that satisfies the healthcare law? I can't stand having to pay for something that we're not going to use.

Of course you're going to use it. No one in your family is ever going to need medical care?

[BroJones]

Does anyone know if the LDS church can be used for religious exemption from Obamacare? On the healthcare.gov website, it says that one can "apply for an exemption based on membership in a recognized religious sect whose members object to insurance."
Now, I know we don't object to insurance but we do object to government dependency. I don't like the healthcare options that we are given under Obamacare but I want to be in compliance with the law so I don't have to pay the fine. Has anyone tried applying for religious exemption or maybe found another alternative to cheaper health insurance that satisfies the healthcare law? I can't stand having to pay for something that we're not going to use.

Of course you're going to use it. No one in your family is ever going to need medical care?

Why then do the Amish NOT get Obamacare? -- and further, why are they "allowed" to be exempt from it? Can you answer KMC?

[KMCopeland]

Does anyone know if the LDS church can be used for religious exemption from Obamacare? On the healthcare.gov website, it says that one can "apply for an exemption based on membership in a recognized religious sect whose members object to insurance."

Now, I know we don't object to insurance but we do object to government dependency. I don't like the healthcare options that we are given under Obamacare but I want to be in compliance with the law so I don't have to pay the fine. Has anyone tried applying for religious exemption or maybe found another alternative to cheaper health insurance that satisfies the healthcare law? I can't stand having to pay for something that we're not going to use.

Of course you're going to use it. No one in your family is ever going to need medical care?

Why then do the Amish NOT get Obamacare? -- and further, why are they "allowed" to be exempt from it? Can you answer KMC?

I don't think the Amish object to Obamacare. My understanding is they object to insurance -- and I don't know why. But the OP is looking for a religious exemption because she doesn't believe in government dependency. Which probably isn't going to work. Then there's the fact that Obamacare isn't about government dependency at all. It's a law that requires you to buy health insurance, much like the law that requires you to buy car insurance.

[Ezra]

Why in our Church can't we work together and do what other Christians are doing to opt out of Obamacare?

For example: https://medi-share.org/ms/lp/picc_6-10.aspx

Unlike most uninsured Americans, Hunsley will not have to buy health insurance or risk paying a fine under the dictates of the Affordable Care Act. He and other members of health care sharing ministries are among the minority to be exempted from the individual mandate that begins in 2014.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/rel ... 56083586/1

https://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.co ... ternative/



We need an LDS Community alternative like this!

God Bless,
Darren

I checked anyone can sign up for this and not be apart of Obama care.
I am exempt from Obama care as my family income yearly is below 20,000$ thanks to having a few trusts and corps owned by trusts.

If you don't have a trust. You need to get one. A trust can own firearms that citezens can't. And as a trustee you are allowed to transport said illegal firearms without punishment as you are not the owner. Just the manager. You can put all of your propert into trusts. So own no property Have no bank accounts. The trust has bank accounts that you can access at any time. You can own your vehicals free and clear. But put a lean on the vehical 2 or 3 times its value. That way if anyone try's to sue you or try to take the vehical tow or impound they have to pay off the vehical to the trust in order to get it. Your business if you have one can rent property from the trust and lots of other ways to get yourself in the poor class.

Big business do this why don't we???? No reason why we all can't get the same tax breaks as the big dogs.

I learned all this from my tax guy who is an ex irs agent. If you would like his info pm me

[Dubs]

Of course you're going to use it. No one in your family is ever going to need medical care?[/quote]

Why then do the Amish NOT get Obamacare? -- and further, why are they "allowed" to be exempt from it? Can you answer KMC?[/quote]I don't think the Amish object to Obamacare. My understanding is they object to insurance -- and I don't know why. But the OP is looking for a religious exemption because she doesn't believe in government dependency. Which probably isn't going to work. Then there's the fact that Obamacare isn't about government dependency at all. It's a law that requires you to buy health insurance, much like the law that requires you to buy car insurance.[/quote]

You are missing the point on Obamacare entirely. These laws are destroying our freedom slowly, but surely.

http://speeches.byu.edu/index.php?act=viewitem&id=85" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ezra Taft Benson:

Today the party now in power is advocating and has support, apparently in both major parties, for a comprehensive national health insurance program—a euphemism for socialized medicine. Our major danger is that we are currently (and have been for forty years) transferring responsibility from the individual, local, and state governments to the federal government

He also says:

If we continue to follow the trend in which we are heading today, two things will inevitably result: first, a loss of our personal freedom, and second, financial bankruptcy. This is the price we pay when we turn away from God and the principles which he has taught and turn to government to do everything for us. It is the formula by which nations become enslaved.

If you can't see that this has escalated mightily under the Obama administration then you are blinded by the craftiness of men. I do think that Bush also did a lot of things to thwart our freedoms as well.