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AI2.0 wrote:

Having met her in person, this may influence your opinion of her.

D. Plagiarism. Obvious or suspected examples of plagiarism where she may have “borrowed” from other sources (scriptures and/or other people’s accounts of NDE’s, dreams, and visions) to write her story.
He gave examples that are too obvious for coincidence. She borrowed from Sarah Menet's writings; Onsdag gives the examples and remember that Julie claimed in her book in 2014 that she never read any other NDE's, yet back in 2009 on AVOW she admits she read Sarah's. She also borrowed heavily from the Bible dictionary and scriptural accounts. Below is an example of her borrowing from Sarah menet.

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Julie Rowe
“(1)I saw a man (2)enter a large city in the eastern United States, (3)go into the center of a busy downtown business area (4)and dump the contents of a large vial-shaped container (3)into the middle of the busy town square. (5)It was about the size of a half-gallon of milk (6)and the substance he dumped was a liquid that was somewhat transparent with a slight whitish hew to it.(7)It was extremely dangerous and contagious. (8)The people who were around him in the city square were totally oblivious to what he had done. No one was even paying any attention to him. (9)After the contents of the container were emptied, he quickly and discreetly left, blending into the crowd undetected. (10)This biological weapon was a disease that started with terrible white blisters, (11)of varying sizes, (12)that developed into pus-filled sores. (11)Some of the blisters were quite large, (13)and they appeared on the hands, faces, arms and necks of those who had contacted the disease. (14)The disease caused confusion, dizziness, and complete disorientation for those infected. The victims often could not remember where they were, who they were, or where they lived. They essentially went crazy. They would come in and out of consciousness, unable to speak, walk or listen and understand coherently. (2)This plague started in the eastern states, (15)but quickly swept across the country and spread quickly throughout North and South America” (A Greater Tomorrow, p. 131)

Sarah Menet
“(1)I then saw a man (3)walk into the middle of a crowd of people (4)and drop what seemed like a (5)quart jar (6)full of liquid. The jar broke and the liquid spread. (7)I understood that people nearby had become infected with a disease from the liquid, (8)and they didn’t even know it. (7)A day or two later people became sick and started dying. (2)I saw that this would happen in four particular cities: New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Salt Lake City. (10)The disease started with white blisters, (11)some of the size of a dime, (13)appearing on the hands, arms, and faces of the victims. (12)The blisters quickly developed into white sores, apparently filled with pus. (14)Those with the disease would stumble around for weeks and fall over dead.” (There Is No Death, p. 64)

Here is an example of her borrowing from the Bible Dictionary:

Julie’s Account
“(1)David later became a very powerful man. (2)Like Saul, he was guilty of grave crimes, (3)but unlike Saul, David felt great sorrow and contrition for the sins he committed. (4)In spite of these great disasters, David accomplished many great things in his life. (5)He played a key role in uniting the tribes of Israel into one nation. (6)He secured possession of his country. (7)He established a government founded on religious laws and principles. (8)The will of God was the law of Israel. (9)David’s reign, and the government he established, gave the Israelite people an example or type of a better day–a more glorious day when the Messiah would reign personally upon the earth.” (p. 49)

Scripture Account
“(1)Each successive phase of experience developed in him the conscious dependence upon God that was the secret of his strength throughout his life. (2)Like Saul he was guilty of grave crimes; (3)but unlike Saul, he was capable of true contrition and was therefore able to find forgiveness, except in the murder of Uriah. … (4)In spite of these disasters David’s reign was the most brilliant of Israelite history, (5)for he united the tribes into one nation, (6)he secured undisputed possession of the country, (7)the whole government rested upon a religious basis, (8)and the will of God was the law of Israel. (9)For these reasons it was in later times regarded as the nation’s golden age and the type of the more glorious age to which the nation looked forward when Messiah should come.” (Bible Dictionary: David, p. 653-654)

The use of certain words and phrases is not coincidental and I think that is why her book reads like a Sunday School manual at times.
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notjamesbond003.5 wrote: A12-

A couple of quick points, when meeting someone in public, I think one would have a better sense of discerning them, that said, having grown up in the streets of Los Angeles, I've witnessed stabbings, muggings, shysters, phonies and flim flam artists. In short -I recognize a bull sh*tter or dubious person when I see one, and I would recognize a delusional person when placed in front of me, and Julie is none of these.

As far as having similar NDEs with Sarah and others, btw Denise Mendenhall's account is similar to Julie's and many many others, should these all be clumped in all together as delusional or misguided ?

Also: as far as borrowing from the LDS Bible dictionary, perhaps she is trying to align her writings/experiences w the main stream church -interfacing her experiences w the teachings of The Church: and now some LDS main liners here are out to malign her -interesting.

Here is a dream she related in 2009:

Then I saw the same scene as before, only off to the side of the camp there was a huge white tent. It looked similar to the pictures of the tabernacle the Jews had while wandering in the wilderness with Moses. Above it I could see a very bright light and it looked as though fire was coming out of the top of the tent - but it was hovering. The thought came to me that this was indeed a temporary temple. I saw people dressed in white clothing standing near the entrance of the tent, as if they were guarding it. There was a fence surrounding the perimeter, and two armed men guarding several feet away on both sides of the area, outside of the fence. I saw a a man and a woman enter the tent after talking to a man dressed in white who was standing at the entrance.
I heard the word templework and that scene ended. The view panned out again and I was looking at the United States from the sky again. Through thought I knew that the fire represented the presence of the Spirit of the Lord at these places. I am not sure how many there were, because this scene did not last long, and by the time I realized what I was looking at, I did not count them. It seemed like there were several, but there were more areas without fire then those with fire. There were probably only five or six fires, and about twenty tent cities in the Rocky Mountain area, and a few scattered throughout other parts of the U.S. I did not see any fires in Washington state, the Midwest, or in the East.


Here is an excerpt from her Near death experience:

Off to the side of the camp there was a huge white tent. It looked similar to the pictures of the tabernacle the Jews had while wandering in the wilderness with Moses, although there was no altar in the courtyard area. I could see a very bright light above it and it looked as though fire was coming out of the top of the tent – but it was hovering in place. The thought came to me that this was indeed a temporary temple. I saw people dressed in white clothing standing near the entrance of the tent, as if they were guarding it. There was a fence surrounding the perimeter, and two armed men were outside of the fence, guarding the area. I saw a man and a woman enter the tent after talking to a man dressed in white who was standing near the entrance. I heard the words ‘temple work’ and the scene ended. The view panned out again and I was looking at the United States from the sky again. I knew that the fire represented the presence of the Spirit of the Lord at these places. I am not sure how many there were, because the scene did not last long, and by the time I realized what I was looking at, I did not count them. It seemed like there were several, but there were more areas without fire than those with fire.”

One last point: if she is soo whacked and teaching falsehoods -why haven't The Brethren reigned her in ?


njb

djinwa wrote:There are other explanations for NDEs. You can produce them.


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Neurophysiology can also explain the feeling of moving through a tunnel so commonly mentioned in NDEs. People are well known to experience "tunnel vision" immediately before fainting. Experiments with pilots spun around in giant centrifuges have reproduced the tunnel vision phenomena by increasing G-forces and decreasing blood flow to their retinas (the periphery of the retina is more susceptible to drops in blood pressure than its center, so that the visual field appears compressed, making scenes appear as if viewed through a tunnel). When special goggles that generate suction were applied to the pilots' eyes to counteract the blood pressure lowering effect of the centrifuge, the pilots lost consciousness without developing the tunnel vision effect-proving the experience of tunnel vision to be caused by decreased blood flow to the eye.

Perhaps the most intriguing aspect of NDEs is how often they're associated with out-of-body experiences. This, too, however, turns out to be an illusion. Evidence that out-of-body experiences have nothing to do with souls leaving bodies can be found in the observation that they've also been reported by people just awakening from sleep, recovering from anesthesia, while fainting, during seizures, during migraines, and while at high altitudes (there's no reason to think the souls of people are leaving their bodies during any of those non-life-threatening situations). But the most fascinating evidence that out-of-body experiences are neurological phenomena comes from studies initially performed in the 1950s by a neurosurgeon named Penfield. He was interested in figuring out how to distinguish between normal brain tissue and brain tumors or scars that were responsible for causing seizures. So he stimulated the brains of hundreds of awake patients in an effort to map the cerebral cortex and figure out where in our brains our physical body is represented.

One patient suffered from temporal lobe seizures and when Penfield stimulated the temporoparietal region of his brain, he reported leaving his body.