LDS Freedom Forum

Glenn Beck posted the following comments on Facebook on January 12, 2015:

Glenn Beck wrote:The world is upside down. For the first time in many years I have again begun to question EVERYTHING I think I know.

I read something so disappointing in a paper this am. I really no longer know who to trust. That includes me. I want to make sure I am not so arrogant that I just assume I am right. Because I am no longer sure.

I know I am right about what I see on the horizon. Just not so sure how to deal with it. I find myself angry with leaders. Business, political, religious. I know anger does not come from The Lord. I also know that I need to take the beam out of my own eye first.

Questioning. Not the destination. Just the route and my roll in mapping it.

It is good I guess.

I have been reading my scriptures a lot lately. I keep getting the same message. Man was created to serve God. So how best to do that with the job I have.

I have really come to a place where I have lost my faith in the men of cloth. That is really playing a big role in this. But I am sure they know better and certainly more than I do.

I have lost so much faith in man. Par for the course. Put your faith in God, not men.

A lot has happened to me over the last few months. Those I thought I could trust in my personal lives have taught me otherwise.

Maybe it is a flaw in me.

What is He trying to teach me?

Now that I have my brain in high gear again, I have begun to turn over stones at work. We had lost our way a bit. But the corrections are being made. We are once again aligning ourselves with principles that are immovable.

I am really excited about our new path. I recorded a company message that goes out to the team this am. I am excited to hear what they think as they begin to piece it together with me over the next six months. I am even more excited about spending more time with you one on one.

Yet, with all I see on the horizon and the way our leaders on all fronts are behaving, I wonder how much of a voice we have and perhaps how much of a voice we should have.

I know many of you don't like it when I question what we are doing. I think it is healthy. Some perceive that I am losing hope. I am not. If patterns of my life remain true, there is a huge opening up of the skies coming.

I just hope it comes without much more of this.

Maybe The Lord is sending me into my desert. Maybe I am already there.

The question I've seen some people posing on Facebook is: "Is Glenn Beck becoming disaffected with the LDS Church?"

I have been wondering the same thing for the last couple of months.

kgrigio wrote:I have been wondering the same thing for the last couple of months.

What has he said that made you wonder about that for "the last couple of months"?

Within the past few months, he related that some ward members had said some very unkind things to him and his family on his personal facebook page. He said that he talked to his Bishop and Stake President and told them why he could no longer attend his assigned ward, and that he had received their blessing that he and his family worship somewhere else. He did not say if that would be an LDS unit, or something else.

BrianM wrote:

kgrigio wrote:I have been wondering the same thing for the last couple of months.

What has he said that made you wonder about that for "the last couple of months"?

Just some subtle things he says on facebook and on the air (when I get a chance to listen to him). I find it very interesting that he openly talks about attending worship services for this pastor or that church and praises them for the work they do and the things they say, yet you never hear him say the same things about the LDS church. I think he walks a very fine line with the evangelical base he has, so this is likely why he is vocal about one and silent about another. This may not be a clear indication, but it is something that is interesting.

He did talk about spending some time in the temple a few weeks back and thinking, but it was very subtle and unless you were a member, you might not have caught what he was talking about.

He lost his faith in men of cloth....well, having faith in man is one of the first, biggest problems. A man, any man, no matter how just, has no power to save. He can minister and persuade, but that's about all he has the power to really do when it comes to righteous living.

I put my faith in Jesus Christ. The leaders of our Church are human just like you. These men are tools of the Lord, they are just as much human as Moses, Peter, James and John. They were not God's, they needed Christ's grace just as much as you and I.

'I never told you I was perfect; but there is no error in the revelations which I have taught. Must I, then, be thrown away as a thing of naught?'” - The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 368

Glenn Beck fails to put it all together and recognize and call attention to the reality of the globalist conspiracy. For all his attention and direction he gives to reading Cleon Skousen's books he never brings up Skousen's later book "The Naked Capitalist" which puts all the pieces together.

Glenn Beck's show tries to call for faith, and for patriotism, but at the same time is over-the-top cynical. He is just now calling attention to Russia and China buildup but now it is way too late. The US is morally weak, economically weak, militarily weak, with weak leadership. We are naked before our enemies.

Glenn Beck may try and blame everyone for not being able to stop what has been prophesied will happen. The truth is that the only answer is a return to virtue. Sexual sin and Chemical Addiction lead to poverty and corruption and have empowered Satan to rule over us. Babylon will fall, and the prepared of Zion will be left standing.

LDS Leadership are exactly on target with the only solution to our problems and that is repentance and a return to virtue. Balak and Baalam could not curse the House of Israel. They could only seduce and demoralized Israel and corrupt them, bringing upon them the judgements of their own God upon their heads.

When I hear Glenn Beck standing up and speaking up for Chastity and for Sobriety in America, then i know that he is standing up for the truth.. Any other message is a distraction and the message inspired by the advasary. If Glenn ever publically turns against LDS Church Leadership, then you know exactly who he serves.

There is no stopping the judgements of God that are coming, no more than Jeremiah could stop the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon. All we can do is repent ourselves and be prepared to survive.

We don't call them men of the cloth. Although we might call leaders of other faiths that. And he does deal with leaders of other faiths a lot.

Nan wrote:We don't call them men of the cloth. Although we might call leaders of other faiths that. And he does deal with leaders of other faiths a lot.

Yes, it appears not just people in other religions...http://www.infowars.com/judas-goat-glen ... -movement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems there are really only two churches where the members put there faith in men and Beck happens to be a member of one of them.

Muerte wrote:I'm just tired of being condemned for having faith in the things that I choose to have faith in as if I'm being stupid and foolish for it.

I wonder how many of us feel this exact same way!?
I know I do!

Could this be more a psychological issue here rather than theological?

Fiannan wrote:Could this be more a psychological issue here rather than theological?

:))

Bee Prepared wrote:'I never told you I was perfect; but there is no error in the revelations which I have taught. Must I, then, be thrown away as a thing of naught?'” - The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 368

No error? So says Joseph. But what about his actions? If there was no error, then why would he change them? Simple, because from his point of view, they had errors in them. So typical.

Maybe Glenn is figuring it out.

Good for him, hope he sees it through.

Muerte Rosa wrote:

coachmarc wrote:He lost his faith in men of cloth....well, having faith in man is one of the first, biggest problems. A man, any man, no matter how just, has no power to save. He can minister and persuade, but that's about all he has the power to really do when it comes to righteous living.

Having faith in a "man" such as the prophet for example isn't the same as having faith in Christ. I have faith in the prophet and apostles and all my church leaders. But my faith isn't that they are going to save me. My faith in them is that they are called "OF GOD " to be one of his servents and disciples and one of his mouth pieces and that they point/direct/testify/lead to Christ.

My faith in Christ is that He alone can save me. That He atoned for MY sins. And that the ONLY way for me to return to live with Him is by following HIS words. Which my church leaders also speak and testify of.

My faith in TCOJCOLDS is that they alone possess the keys and saving ordinances to obtain the highest glory. Not that Every single thing is 100% correct and completely infallible.

I have faith in Nephi and Mormon and Moroni that the words they say are true and from God.

Im just tired of being condemned for having faith in the things that i choose to have faith in as if I'm being stupid and foolish for it. Im not i know I'm not.

Still love ya though Marc.

I believe that I have always used faith in one context in all of my posts and it is the same context that I used it in the above post. Glenn confessed the same:

I have lost so much faith in man. Par for the course. Put your faith in God, not men.

I apologize for making you feel condemned by my words. It wasn't intentional.

I always find it funny when people claim they don't put their faith in man. They only put their faith in God. Everyone puts some faith in men. That is why we feel disappointment with people sometimes. We feel like they let us down. This means we had some kind of faith in how someone would behave. This is what he is talking about. Every single person on this earth does this. This is why people get upset with leaders of the church or their spouse or their children or their parents. So if you claim you never put your faith in man you are not being honest with yourself or others. The goal is to grow to the point that when others disappoint us it doesn't hurt our faith in God and our relationship with him.

I think there is a distinction between having faith in someone and trusting, or believing, or even having confidence in someone.

What is faith in god? It is trusting him, believing him and having confidence in him.

My definition of faith in God is the moving cause of all action, which brings me back into His presence. Trusting Him, believing Him, and having confidence in Him is not quite the same as the motivating power. It is the power that frames worlds and forms men from dust.

Not quite sure I am understanding what you just said. What do you mean by moving cause and motivating power?

Faith=moving cause.

It is what propelled Peter to step out of the boat onto the water. It is what drives us to weary the Lord. It is what motivated the brother of Jared to move the Mount Zerin. It is what powers God to frame worlds and forms man out of dust. It is the moving cause whereby we obey and sacrifice a broken heart and contrite spirit.

Christ will save His people through the operation of His priesthood authority.

I listen to him everyday. He is NOT going away from the LDS church. He and Pat are constantly talking about their faith and scriptures. He did get into some issues with members of his ward though. They were members who were supporting things that went against God's commandments and questioning/harassing Glenn on his "extremism".

AmericanBulldog wrote:I listen to him everyday. He is NOT going away from the LDS church. He and Pat are constantly talking about their faith and scriptures. He did get into some issues with members of his ward though. They were members who were supporting things that went against God's commandments and questioning/harassing Glenn on his "extremism".

Good point.

Just like I wonder why people turn from the church and follow Denver Snuffer, and put their faith and trust in him. Otherwise, why would they get all huffy and leave the church. They took a few complaints by one man and took them to heart, thus departing from the mainstream church. This is nothing more than a faith shift, a trust shift and a behavior change. When a person's heart is truly in following the Savior, they would stay with HIS church, imperfections and all. Also we are instructed to "wait upon the Lord", meaning that we show patience until He makes a move on His own, and when He chooses. Remember, we have no witness until after the trial of our faith? The Lord purposely holds back many times just to try our patience and trust in HIM! He wants to know who the meek and lowly in heart are, who has patience and long suffering, and those who get all out of shape and turn away. Who is the Lord going to lead, the faithful or the flippant and those that vacillate?

Perhaps Glenn is a little disgruntled with the way things are going in this country. Maybe disgruntled as are many church members as to why this country is being taken over by tyrants without much if any resistance.

The flip side is the real problem. And that is we've been warned over and over again by church leaders to read and understand the Constitution as the Founder's intended it to be understood. Did the saints do this?
We were told in scripture to seek honest, wise and good people for high office in this country. Have the saints done this? We were told to not let secret combinations get above us. Did the saints do this? Has anyone read Jacob 5?
The Lord gives us what we want many times. The country we used to care about, is now going to wild dogs, and the church is trying to get the gospel out as fast as possible...until the Lord cleanses the land. He promised that when society is ripe for destruction then He will sweep the wicked off the land. This could have been avoided had we done the things God counseled us to do. Too many saints right in there with the rest espousing evil and promoting, tolerating and embracing wickedness. Yes, the Lord will give us want we want...for a time...then when His wrath is kindled, look out!