Where Are You On The Political Scale?

[Obrien]

Ajax - I'm glad you search these things out so I don't have to.

[Ezra]

Why are the first to inhabit Zion be those who refused to shoot there fellow men?

If we are righteous enough our enimey will fall on there own swords. It's the great and abomable church who wars and is drunk with its own blood.

I will do everything In my power to not be part of it. Unless I'm given a commandment by the lord. Or in self defense with no other option. I would not fight for any other reason.

Draft no draft. I would never fight for our governement unless God sat at its head. Which he dosent and never will.

Don't take that to mean I wouldn't fight for agency if again was commanded.

If you won't fight you better start running!

Do your honestly belive there is not a better way? A more godly way?

Do you honestly belive God will not fight our battles?

Ohh ye of little faith.

[KMCopeland]

I think who ever thinks the draft would be a good idea should be the first to be sent out.

In my experience, people who advocate a draft have usually led lives that prove they're willing to serve. Meaning they're either on active duty, or they're veterans. They don't just talk the talk. They walk the walk. So I fully agree with you. And I think anyone who advocates sending in troops, anywhere, or supports any US Military involvement, anywhere, anytime, past, present, or future, should be next.

[SmallFarm]

I think who ever thinks the draft would be a good idea should be the first to be sent out.

In my experience, people who advocate a draft have usually led lives that prove they're willing to serve. Meaning they're either on active duty, or they're veterans. They don't just talk the talk. They walk the walk. So I fully agree with you. And I think anyone who advocates sending in troops, anywhere, or supports any US Military involvement, anywhere, anytime, past, present, or future, should be next.

What if they don't support standing armies at all?

[jbalm]

Maybe make sure that every politician who pushes into war has some skin in the game...like mandatory combat duty for their kids and grandkids (and they have to be enlisted, not officers).

Any politician without kids or grandkids eligible for combat duty doesn't get to vote on war resolutions.

That might do it

[Ezra]

Better yet proclaim peace not war. Figure out how to find peace not war.

Look for every option to find our own fault and right it first. Not war.

[buffalo_girl]

Better yet proclaim peace not war. Figure out how to find peace not war.

Look for every option to find our own fault and right it first. Not war.

2Kings 6
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the Lord, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.

19 ¶And Elisha said unto them, This is not the way, neither is this the city: follow me, and I will bring you to the man whom ye seek. But he led them to Samaria.

20 And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said, Lord, open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the Lord opened their eyes, and they saw; and, behold, they were in the midst of Samaria.

21 And the king of Israel said unto Elisha, when he saw them, My father, shall I smite them? shall I smite them?

22 And he answered, Thou shalt not smite them: wouldest thou smite those whom thou hast taken captive with thy sword and with thy bow? set bread and water before them, that they may eat and drink, and go to their master.

23 And he prepared great provision for them: and when they had eaten and drunk, he sent them away, and they went to their master. So the bands of Syria came no more into the land of Israel.

[KMCopeland]

I think who ever thinks the draft would be a good idea should be the first to be sent out.

In my experience, people who advocate a draft have usually led lives that prove they're willing to serve. Meaning they're either on active duty, or they're veterans. They don't just talk the talk. They walk the walk. So I fully agree with you. And I think anyone who advocates sending in troops, anywhere, or supports any US Military involvement, anywhere, anytime, past, present, or future, should be next.

What if they don't support standing armies at all?

If they don't support standing armies at all, they are on solid footing when they oppose a draft. They have integrity in other words. If you're asking me if my picture of a draft wouldn't take conscientious objectors in account, I'm afraid I'd have to say it wouldn't. Because although there are people who genuinely object to the idea of standing armies -- many would simply claim they did just to get out of serving. But the good news is that this draft that I envision would all but eliminate anyone ever having to do combat duty -- because this country's participation in military aggression anywhere, would be far less likely than it is now.


Mitt Romney was most offended when he was asked, during his campaign for the presidency after some very hawkish comments about Iraq, why not one of his 5 sons was interested in helping fight that war. It was one of the best examples of a complete absence of integrity -- talking the talk but refusing to walk the walk -- that I've ever seen. And it illustrates well my reason for advocating a draft: if there were one, the people who make decisions about whether this country will engage in war anywhere, for any reason, will be far less likely to decide to get involved in said war if their children had to help fight it.

[SmallFarm]

Better yet proclaim peace not war. Figure out how to find peace not war.

Look for every option to find our own fault and right it first. Not war.

Section 98 of D&C lays it out pretty clear

[SmallFarm]

But the good news is that this draft that I envision would all but eliminate anyone ever having to do combat duty -- because this country's participation in military aggression anywhere, would be far less likely than it is now.

You know, you'd think that it might work that way, but I know the pattern through the centuries; it never works out that way.
Doesn't Israel have mandatory service in the military?

[KMCopeland]

Maybe make sure that every politician who pushes into war has some skin in the game...like mandatory combat duty for their kids and grandkids (and they have to be enlisted, not officers).

Any politician without kids or grandkids eligible for combat duty doesn't get to vote on war resolutions.

That might do it

It sure might.

[KMCopeland]

Doesn't Israel have mandatory service in the military?

It does. It has several tiers of service, and men serve a 3 year tour of duty, while women only serve 2. It has lots of exemptions too. I believe only about half of those that have been technically drafted only ever serve.


Got a crackerjack little military though. Small but deadly.

[KMCopeland]

Better yet proclaim peace not war. Figure out how to find peace not war.

Look for every option to find our own fault and right it first. Not war.

Very idealistic. From your keyboard to God's ears. Before we achieve Zion/Utopia though, we have to work with what we've actually got to work with.

[ajax]

Better yet proclaim peace not war. Figure out how to find peace not war.

Look for every option to find our own fault and right it first. Not war.

Very idealistic. From your keyboard to God's ears. Before we achieve Zion/Utopia though, we have to work with what we've actually got to work with.

I don't buy into the "before we achieve, we have to do it this way" approach. Perhaps God is looking for people who skip this idea altogether.

[msfreeh]

a liberal is someone who walks out of the room
when an argument turns into a fight

a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged

[FSM]

In what do us communists fit in?

Since you don't believe in God... well hopefully you still believe in right and wrong - good and evil? Communism would fit into the evil/wrong category. My recommendation to an atheist would be to look into philosophies like Objectivism and Libertarianism -- you would then at least have some beliefs regarding not violating people's rights and allowing people to be free.

Oooo I was just kidding. I'm not a communist
Peace

[buffalo_girl]

Got a crackerjack little military though. Small but deadly.

So did the Assyrians who attacked Jerusalem under righteous king Hezekiah...

Being a crackerjack military means what, exactly?

Is absolute ruthlessness a main requirement?

2Kings 19
32 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it.

33 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David’s sake.

35 ¶And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

36 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead.

Before we achieve Zion/Utopia though, we have to work with what we've actually got to work with.

And, what is it we have to work with BEFORE we achieve ZION?

[Ezra]

Got a crackerjack little military though. Small but deadly.

So did the Assyrians who attacked Jerusalem under righteous king Hezekiah...

Being a crackerjack military means what, exactly?

Is absolute ruthlessness a main requirement?

2Kings 19
32 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it.

33 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David’s sake.

35 ¶And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

36 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead.

Before we achieve Zion/Utopia though, we have to work with what we've actually got to work with.

And, what is it we have to work with BEFORE we achieve ZION?

the natural man thinks he is bound by his natural self.
People who transcend the natural man see there godlyness and embrace it.

Embracing there own godlyness is how faith can move mountains.

While the natural man will only see his weaknesses and others weaknesses and filth. Those who have transcended the natural man see the beauty in themselfs and others.

The natural man hates himself and others
Those who transcend the natural man truly love the person who God created in themselfs and others.

Would you kill your own son or daughter or who ever you are closest too? Can you picture tieing them up and slowly cutting there throats. Or putting a bullet in their head point blank?

How can you think of killing others if you can't think of killing those closest to you?

We are all sons and daughters of God. And he values us all the same. Anyone who is so disconnected to think war is ok. Shoot someone in your in Family in the head. As that is how God will judge the acts of war that he has not given the commandment to be involved in.

What do we have to work with befor we achieve zion is the natural mans thinkings which are much like wallowing in the mud cuz everyone eles is.

[Bee Prepared]

Awwww. Look everyone. FFA has a little BFF. How precious.

You two going to see the new Dumb and Dumber together? Remember to leave an empty seat between you, or else people might start thinking stuff.

jbalm, would you and Steve like to come along? ( BFF'S) I will buy you popcorn.

[buffalo_girl]

Awwww. Look everyone. FFA has a little BFF. How precious.

You two going to see the new Dumb and Dumber together? Remember to leave an empty seat between you, or else people might start thinking stuff.

jbalm, would you and Steve like to come along? ( BFF'S) I will buy you popcorn.

Think I'll just stay home and watch Blade Runner.

[Steve Clark]

Awwww. Look everyone. FFA has a little BFF. How precious.

You two going to see the new Dumb and Dumber together? Remember to leave an empty seat between you, or else people might start thinking stuff.

jbalm, would you and Steve like to come along? ( BFF'S) I will buy you popcorn.

I'm down. I love hanging out with Jbalm.

[KMCopeland]

Better yet proclaim peace not war. Figure out how to find peace not war.

Look for every option to find our own fault and right it first. Not war.

Very idealistic. From your keyboard to God's ears. Before we achieve Zion/Utopia though, we have to work with what we've actually got to work with.

don't buy into the "before we achieve, we have to do it this way" approach. Perhaps God is looking for people who skip this idea altogether.

I don't think a draft is something to do temporarily until the Savior comes. Since we don't know when that will be. I think it's something we can actually do that will limit war significantly.

[freedomforall]

Awwww. Look everyone. FFA has a little BFF. How precious.

You two going to see the new Dumb and Dumber together? Remember to leave an empty seat between you, or else people might start thinking stuff.

jbalm, would you and Steve like to come along? ( BFF'S) I will buy you popcorn.

I'm down. I love hanging out with Jbalm.

Well now we can confirm and conclude as to where jbalm came up with the idea...experience, right? As confirmed by you? What more could be said?

Have fun at the next show, doing this could be tricky:

[jbalm]

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[Obrien]

totally off topic - the third comforter... that cracks me up every time I read it!