Where Are You On The Political Scale?

[freedomforall]

The draft is slavery.

Thanks for comment. I, and around 2.1 million US servicemen went to Vietnam because of the draft, just so people today can spout off against the draft. I'm happy that some people aren't made to join the military these days because it is better to have guys in a fox hole that help each other in life threatening situations. We weren't happy with that situation either but we tried hard to cover one anothers backs.

The draft helped in making men out of boys as well. 18, 19 year old boys putting their life on the line just so people back home could walk around with picket signs, spitting on returning soldiers and calling them horrible names for merely doing their duty.

Also I think mandatory service would be a good way for illegal aliens coming into this country a chance to earn their citizenship. Government freebees would be received with increased respect and thanksgiving, instead of the you owe me mentality. What's wrong with a two year hitch for people coming into this country with criminal intents? Maybe they'd think twice about their actions. Besides, they'd get three squares a day, a bed, a job and a pay check, much more than many have at present.

And I'll bet that 65 +/- year old ex military personnel could still give the new soldiers a run for the money. Bodies get old but experience makes for new strategies that work. And I would think that a lot of old vets are part of Oathkeepers and Guns 4 America.

[freedomforall]

I wonder, is it only because of wickedness that we have suffered those murderous combinations to get above us ? Or was it due more to laziness, apathy and/or our failure to heed the commandment in D&C 88:79 ?

Where are Moroni and the seven million strippling warriors?

Somewhere in history thousands of years ago.

Obama said in 2008 "you people haven't been reading your bibles". Let it be said that older Americans didn't read the D.o.I. and heed the counsel to get rid of a tyrannical government.

From the Declaration of Independence:
...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Now we reap the whirlwind and await the cleansing, something that could have been avoided through righteous living and insuring we have good, limited government.

Obama has shrunken the size of the government dramatically.

It was intended by God that we have a righteous republic.

Many people believe we have that. I don't doubt that, but, hey, they could be wrong. I know you don't -- I can read after all. But you could be wrong.

Not likely.

[ajax]

The draft is slavery.

Thanks for comment. I, and around 2.1 million US servicemen went to Vietnam because of the draft, just so people today can spout off against the draft.

Here we go.... 8-|

It would seem that those who were forced into going to a far flung backwater on the other side of the globe for no apparent reason would be the first ones against said draft. But I guess hero status has it perks, like throwing out the "because I went to Vietnam, you can say whatever you want" card, or some such nonsense. No offense to you ffa, but I'm sick of the glorified military "service" - hero status - dying for our freedom rhetoric.

The draft helped in making men out of boys as well.

I guess training to kill will develop boys in a certain way. Not sure if I would define that as manhood.

18, 19 year old boys putting their life on the line just so people back home could walk around with picket signs, spitting on returning soldiers and calling them horrible names for merely doing their duty.

I agree that the soldiers didn't deserve this. The politicians who put the boys lives on the line deserved the spitting and name calling and the soldiers en masse should have joined in. I'm not sure if what the soldiers were doing was their duty per se, but simply doing what they were told vs threat of time behind bars.

Rant over.

[jbalm]

The draft is slavery.

Thanks for comment. I, and around 2.1 million US servicemen went to Vietnam because of the draft, just so people today can spout off against the draft. I'm happy that some people aren't made to join the military these days because it is better to have guys in a fox hole that help each other in life threatening situations. We weren't happy with that situation either but we tried hard to cover one anothers backs.

The draft helped in making men out of boys as well. 18, 19 year old boys putting their life on the line just so people back home could walk around with picket signs, spitting on returning soldiers and calling them horrible names for merely doing their duty.

Also I think mandatory service would be a good way for illegal aliens coming into this country a chance to earn their citizenship. Government freebees would be received with increased respect and thanksgiving, instead of the you owe me mentality. What's wrong with a two year hitch for people coming into this country with criminal intents? Maybe they'd think twice about their actions. Besides, they'd get three squares a day, a bed, a job and a pay check, much more than many have at present.

And I'll bet that 65 +/- year old ex military personnel could still give the new soldiers a run for the money. Bodies get old but experience makes for new strategies that work. And I would think that a lot of old vets are part of Oathkeepers and Guns 4 America.

Get over yourself.

[Steve Clark]

The draft is slavery.

Thanks for comment. I, and around 2.1 million US servicemen went to Vietnam because of the draft, just so people today can spout off against the draft.

Here we go.... 8-|

It would seem that those who were forced into going to a far flung backwater on the other side of the globe for no apparent reason would be the first ones against said draft. But I guess hero status has it perks, like throwing out the "because I went to Vietnam, you can say whatever you want" card, or some such nonsense. No offense to you ffa, but I'm sick of the glorified military "service" - hero status - dying for our freedom rhetoric.

The draft helped in making men out of boys as well.

I guess training to kill will develop boys in a certain way. Not sure if I would define that as manhood.

18, 19 year old boys putting their life on the line just so people back home could walk around with picket signs, spitting on returning soldiers and calling them horrible names for merely doing their duty.

I agree that the soldiers didn't deserve this. The politicians who put the boys lives on the line deserved the spitting and name calling and the soldiers en masse should have joined in. I'm not sure if what the soldiers were doing was their duty per se, but simply doing what they were told vs threat of time behind bars.

Rant over.

A-freaking-men, brother!

I'm so sick of this as well. No, FFA, your "service" didn't preserve my freedom to belittle the draft. The people in the military now are not keeping me free.

[buffalo_girl]

The people in the military now are not keeping me free.

They aren't keeping themselves free, either.

A lot of us in this country are delusional about what is REALLY going on.

In the last Old Testament lesson for 2014, the following passage from Doctrine & Covenants 38 was a suggested reading for 'signs of the times' in preparation for the LORD's return:

28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.

29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.

30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.

31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless—

Who is it going to be next run - Bush or Clinton?

[KMCopeland]

Rant over.

The draft in the Vietnam era wasn't fair. It was easy to get out of serving then. The blowing up of the middle east was perpetrated by two Vietnam era draft dodgers. If those two losers stood to lose one of their children to their fun war, they might not have looked at it as a football game instead of a deadly business.


My draft wouldn't have exemptions. Girls would have to serve too. We could re-open the thousands of bases that were closed during the last 30 years, re-staff them, those bases would be the boon to the surrounding communities they've always been and once again, military service could be used to make THIS country a better place to live. Instead of an excuse to blow billions of dollars blowing up somebody else's country and then rebuilding it for them so THEY can have the schools and hospitals and bridges and infrastructure the right in this country doesn't think we can afford -- but they're fine with us buying it for somebody else.

And I am positive that it would result in less worldwide military adventurism, which too would lead to many, many excellent outcomes.

And you should rant more often.

[ajax]

And you should rant more often.

Okay.

My draft wouldn't have exemptions. Girls would have to serve too. We could re-open the thousands of bases that were closed during the last 30 years, re-staff them, those bases would be the boon to the surrounding communities they've always been and once again, military service could be used to make THIS country a better place to live.

NO.

Rant over.

[freedomforall]

Thanks for comment. I, and around 2.1 million US servicemen went to Vietnam because of the draft, just so people today can spout off against the draft.

I meant what I said. I was right, so right.

Here we go.... 8-|

It would seem that those who were forced into going to a far flung backwater on the other side of the globe for no apparent reason would be the first ones against said draft. But I guess hero status has it perks, like throwing out the "because I went to Vietnam, you can say whatever you want" card, or some such nonsense. No offense to you ffa, but I'm sick of the glorified military "service" - hero status - dying for our freedom rhetoric.

The draft helped in making men out of boys as well.

I guess training to kill will develop boys in a certain way. Not sure if I would define that as manhood. Do you have a gun? Do you practice shooting it? Would you use it to save your life or a loved one? Gee, learning to save one's own life isn't all bad, now is it?

18, 19 year old boys putting their life on the line just so people back home could walk around with picket signs, spitting on returning soldiers and calling them horrible names for merely doing their duty.

I agree that the soldiers didn't deserve this. The politicians who put the boys lives on the line deserved the spitting and name calling and the soldiers en masse should have joined in. I'm not sure if what the soldiers were doing was their duty per se, but simply doing what they were told vs threat of time behind bars.

Rant over.

A-freaking-men, brother!

I'm so sick of this as well. No, FFA, your "service" didn't preserve my freedom to belittle the draft. The people in the military now are not keeping me free. Neither are your neighbors that vote for politicians that do not support the Constitution, including many church members. Meanwhile, this country, the old America we enjoyed is being given to commies. So freedom isn't so important these days, is it? Neither is the desire to bring freedom back, obviously.

[Steve Clark]

FFA, you are really showing your intellectual superiority today. Keep it up, you still have a few people who take you seriously, but that can't last long.

[freedomforall]

FFA, you are really showing your intellectual superiority today. Keep it up, you still have a few people who take you seriously, but that can't last long.

Some folks remind me of a jack-in-the-box. Just turn the handle and pop, up comes a clown.

[Bee Prepared]

The draft is slavery.

Thanks for comment. I, and around 2.1 million US servicemen went to Vietnam because of the draft, just so people today can spout off against the draft. I'm happy that some people aren't made to join the military these days because it is better to have guys in a fox hole that help each other in life threatening situations. We weren't happy with that situation either but we tried hard to cover one anothers backs.

The draft helped in making men out of boys as well. 18, 19 year old boys putting their life on the line just so people back home could walk around with picket signs, spitting on returning soldiers and calling them horrible names for merely doing their duty.

Also I think mandatory service would be a good way for illegal aliens coming into this country a chance to earn their citizenship. Government freebees would be received with increased respect and thanksgiving, instead of the you owe me mentality. What's wrong with a two year hitch for people coming into this country with criminal intents? Maybe they'd think twice about their actions. Besides, they'd get three squares a day, a bed, a job and a pay check, much more than many have at present.

And I'll bet that 65 +/- year old ex military personnel could still give the new soldiers a run for the money. Bodies get old but experience makes for new strategies that work. And I would think that a lot of old vets are part of Oathkeepers and Guns 4 America.

Get over yourself.

[jbalm]

FFA, you are really showing your intellectual superiority today. Keep it up, you still have a few people who take you seriously, but that can't last long.

Careful. He is known for whining to the mods when things don't go his way. Must be all that residual toughness from his military days.

[Ezra]

I think who ever thinks the draft would be a good idea should be the first to be sent out. Then there children and wives.

When there pregnant wives are killed on some foreign land they might change there minds

Once they get a really good taste of things then they can again go back to freedom to choose.

Instead of a draft they should ask the American public for donations to train and arm any willing citizen with full auto and other military weapons to store in there homes incase of any foreign or domestic treat to respond when needed organized locally.

[Ezra]

Or they could figure out that if they were worthy and had faith the lord would fight there battles for them. So draft God into your life would be the best solution

[FSM]

In what category do us communists fit in?

[Ezra]

There are really only 2 political scales.

Gods and satans.

Gods is defined in scripture.

If you don't know what that is and how it applies to our righteousness then most likely you belong to satans political party.
It's very very black and white. There is no middle ground. You cannot serve 2 masters

Who do you serve? And how do you know?

[Bee Prepared]

FFA, you are really showing your intellectual superiority today. Keep it up, you still have a few people who take you seriously, but that can't last long.

Careful. He is known for whining to the mods when things don't go his way. Must be all that residual toughness from his military days.

Oh get over yourself!

[freedomforall]

I think who ever thinks the draft would be a good idea should be the first to be sent out. Then there children and wives.

When there pregnant wives are killed on some foreign land they might change there minds

Once they get a really good taste of things then they can again go back to freedom to choose.

Instead of a draft they should ask the American public for donations to train and arm any willing citizen with full auto and other military weapons to store in there homes incase of any foreign or domestic treat to respond when needed organized locally.

The day may come where you will have to do just that. Men, women and children fighting for their lives against evil and anger filled enemies bent on forcing you to accept socialism and tyranny.

Mosiah Hancock

[According to Brother Hancock, the Prophet Joseph Smith told him,] The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will say, “Let’s divide up the lands of the United States,” then the people of the U.S. will unite and swear by the blood of their fore-fathers, that the land shall not be divided. Then the country will go to war, and they will fight until one half of the U.S. army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up—when the boys from the mountains will rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, “Brethren, we are glad you have come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God.” Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when its liberty hangs by a hair, as it were. (Life Story of Mosiah Lyman Hancock, 19-20)

And Mosiah in the Book of Mormon stated:
“ye cannot dethrone an iniquitous king save it be through much contention, and the shedding of much blood” (Mosiah 29:21).

Moroni:
Moroni loved the system of self-government God had given His people, and he was willing to fight for it: “He was a man who was firm in the faith of Christ, and he had sworn with an oath to defend his people, his rights, and his country, and his religion, even to the loss of his blood” (Alma 48:13). Such a godly man was Moroni, we are told, that “if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto [him], behold, the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever; yea, the devil would never have power over the hearts of the children of men” (Alma 48:17).
Moroni not only “prayed that the cause of the Christians, and the freedom of the land might be favored” (Alma 46:16), he led the Nephites in a bitter fifteen-year fight to preserve the way of life that God had given them. He and his warriors would rather die than submit to the tyranny of another corrupt king. Eventually the Nephites won, driving back their enemies the king-men, but at a great price.

Do you get the idea?

Draft or no draft makes no difference, we are in dire straits and the NWO is a huge threat that will effect every person in this country one way or another.

[Ezra]

Why are the first to inhabit Zion be those who refused to shoot there fellow men?

If we are righteous enough our enimey will fall on there own swords. It's the great and abomable church who wars and is drunk with its own blood.

I will do everything In my power to not be part of it. Unless I'm given a commandment by the lord. Or in self defense with no other option. I would not fight for any other reason.

Draft no draft. I would never fight for our governement unless God sat at its head. Which he dosent and never will.

Don't take that to mean I wouldn't fight for agency if again was commanded.

[freedomforall]

Why are the first to inhabit Zion be those who refused to shoot there fellow men?

If we are righteous enough our enimey will fall on there own swords. It's the great and abomable church who wars and is drunk with its own blood.

I will do everything In my power to not be part of it. Unless I'm given a commandment by the lord. Or in self defense with no other option. I would not fight for any other reason.

Draft no draft. I would never fight for our governement unless God sat at its head. Which he dosent and never will.

Don't take that to mean I wouldn't fight for agency if again was commanded.

What was it that Patrick Henry said? What did President Benson say about what it takes to get freedom back once lost? What did Moroni say it takes to get rid of tyranny?

If you wait for God to command you, it may be too late.

Doctrine and Covenants 58:26
26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled (without Initiative) in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.

[Bee Prepared]

Why are the first to inhabit Zion be those who refused to shoot there fellow men?

If we are righteous enough our enimey will fall on there own swords. It's the great and abomable church who wars and is drunk with its own blood.

I will do everything In my power to not be part of it. Unless I'm given a commandment by the lord. Or in self defense with no other option. I would not fight for any other reason.

Draft no draft. I would never fight for our governement unless God sat at its head. Which he dosent and never will.

Don't take that to mean I wouldn't fight for agency if again was commanded.

If you won't fight you better start running!

[creator]

In what category do us communists fit in?

Since you don't believe in God... well hopefully you still believe in right and wrong - good and evil? Communism would fit into the evil/wrong category. My recommendation to an atheist would be to look into philosophies like Objectivism and Libertarianism -- you would then at least have some beliefs regarding not violating people's rights and allowing people to be free.

[jbalm]

FFA, you are really showing your intellectual superiority today. Keep it up, you still have a few people who take you seriously, but that can't last long.

Careful. He is known for whining to the mods when things don't go his way. Must be all that residual toughness from his military days.

Oh get over yourself!

Awwww. Look everyone. FFA has a little BFF. How precious.

You two going to see the new Dumb and Dumber together? Remember to leave an empty seat between you, or else people might start thinking stuff.

[ajax]

Chris Kyle, subject of the upcoming movie American Sniper - Hero or Murderer? Epitome of Manliness?
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Chris Kyle, a former Navy SEAL, and the U.S. military’s most lethal sniper, was deliberately and fatally shot recently by another veteran while on a gun range.

According to Star and Stripes, Kyle had been awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, and two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals. He is officially credited with more than 150 kills during four tours in Iraq; he is unofficially credited with up to 255. Kyle won’t say just how many people he has killed.

“I don’t care about the medals,” Kyle told the Star-Telegram in a 2012 interview. “I didn’t do it for the money or the awards. I did it because I felt like it was something that needed to be done and it was honorable.”

I blogged about Kyle twice last year, once in January and once in February. I included this quote from him:

It was my duty to shoot the enemy, and I don’t regret it. My regrets are for the people I couldn’t save: Marines, soldiers, buddies. I’m not naive, and I don’t romanticize war. The worst moments of my life have come as a SEAL. But I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job.

And also this excerpt from his book, American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History:

Savage, despicable evil. That’s what we were fighting in Iraq. That’s why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy “savages.” There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there. People ask me all the time, “How many people have you killed?” My standard response is, “Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?” The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more. Not for bragging rights, but because I believe the world is a better place without savages out there taking American lives. Everyone I shot in Iraq was trying to harm Americans or Iraqis loyal to the new government.

Will Grigg also wrote about Kyle in 2012.

After Kyle’s death, I blogged that “You reap what you sow.” However, what really got apologists for the U.S. military in a tizzy was this tweet by Ron Paul: “Chris Kyle’s death seems to confirm that ‘he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.’”

Conservatives, naturally, because they are in love with all things military, were quite upset. But others expressed their “concerns” as well.

Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer chastised Dr. Paul, calling his tweet “insane,” and calling Kyle “a modern, American war hero.”

Another veteran said that “Ron Paul has been reading too much Laurence Vance.”

Senator Rand Paul responded: “Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”

Some libertarians weren’t too happy with Paul’s “social media strategies, or basic skills of persuasion.”

Wannabe-libertarian Glenn Beck (“I’m becoming more and more Libertarian every day”) termed Paul’s statement “despicable,” “ugly,” and “offensive.”

But there is nothing honorable or heroic about anything Chris Kyle did in Iraq. He defended no American’s freedoms. He didn’t fight “over there” so no American would have to fight “over here.” Soldiers who kill for the state in unjust wars are murderers, not heroes. As Future of Freedom Foundation president and Army veteran Jacob Hornberger recently wrote: “Since the U.S. government was the aggressor in the war on Iraq, that means that no U.S. soldier had the moral authority to kill even one single Iraqi. Every single soldier who killed an Iraqi or who even participated in the enterprise was guilty of murder in a moral, religious, and spiritual sense.”

Here is a simple test to determine whether a soldier is a murderer or a hero. There are only fifteen questions and only one of two responses is possible so you should be able to keep track of your answers.

1. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and throws grenades at Americans. Hero or murderer?

2. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and incinerates Americans with a flamethrower. Hero or murderer?

3. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and blows up Americans with a land mine. Hero or murderer?

4. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and blasts Americans to kingdom come with a tank. Hero or murderer?

5. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and drops bombs on Americans. Hero or murderer?

6. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and cuts Americans in half with a machine gun. Hero or murderer?

7. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and launches missiles at Americans. Hero or murderer?

8. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and shoots Americans with a pistol. Hero or murderer?

9. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and maims Americans with mortar fire. Hero or murderer?

10. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and fires rocket propelled grenades at Americans. Hero or murderer?

11. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and shreds the flesh of Americans with cluster bombs. Hero or murderer?

12. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and burns Americans to a crisp with napalm. Hero or murderer?

13. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and destroys Americans with attack helicopters. Hero or murderer?

14. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States and kills Americans as a sniper. Hero or murderer?

15. A soldier from a country thousands of miles away travels to the United States via drone and performs targeted killings of Americans. Hero or murderer?

I don’t know of a single American who wouldn’t say, and say it fifteen times, that these foreign soldiers were murderers.

But why is it that when American soldiers do these things they are heroes but when foreign soldiers do them they are murderers?

Time for another test. Again, there are only fifteen questions and only one of two responses is possible so you should be able to keep track of your answers.

1. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they wore a government-issued uniform?

2. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they were just following orders?

3. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they joined the military to serve their country?

4. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they were patriotic?

5. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because their government said America needed a regime change?

6. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they joined the military because they couldn’t find a job?

7. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they were just obeying their commander in chief?

8. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they didn’t make their country’s foreign policy?

9. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they were drafted?

10. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because their government said there were communists in America?

11. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they joined the military because their father had been in the military?

12. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they just did what they were told?

13. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because their government told them they were fighting a defense war?

14. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because their politicians are the ones responsible for their actions?

15. Should we excuse foreign soldiers because they thought they were defending the freedoms of civilians in their country?

Then why do we excuse American soldiers for these same reasons?

U.S. foreign policy is aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and meddling. We don’t need a foreign policy that strikes a balance. We don’t need a foreign policy that we can afford. We don’t need a foreign policy that is like Reagan’s. We don’t need a foreign policy that is less interventionist. We need a wholesale repudiation of the past century of an evil and murderous U.S. foreign policy.