Where Are You On The Political Scale?

[ajax]

Assuming most here are right of center, where do you fall?

Me? The Classical Liberal ---> Libertarian ---> Anarchist range.

FWIW - I think Zion will be anarchist.

[ajax]

What is a constitutionalist and an anarchist?
And what's the difference between a rhino republican and a red state republican?

I can't teach you everything.

[jbalm]

What is a constitutionalist and an anarchist?
And what's the difference between a rhino republican and a red state republican?

I can't teach you everything.

:))

[Steve Clark]

What is a constitutionalist and an anarchist?
And what's the difference between a rhino republican and a red state republican?

I can't teach you anything.

Fixed that for you. ;)

[Lizzy60]

What is a constitutionalist and an anarchist?
And what's the difference between a rhino republican and a red state republican?

It's RINO -- Republican In Name Only -- not rhino. They have a R after their name, but they act more like democrats.

Red State Republican is self-explanatory.

[Obrien]

I voted. im in the constitutionalist / classical liberal libertarian / anarchist camp.

Pink - with Google, you have no excuse for ignorance!

[ajax]

And Ajax you can bite me then, I'm not gonna participate in your stupid poll. =;

That's fine. We all know you're a pinko anyway. (Please don't ask what a pinko is. Lizzy60? Still there?)

[creator]

What is a constitutionalist

I originally created this site specifically FOR constitutionalists.. you better find out what that means.

[creator]

Assuming most here are right of center, where do you fall?

You don't have my answer on your scale. Juris Naturalist is a good word for it. Kingdom of God, Gospel of Liberty, and so on. Constitutionalist doesn't quite capture that but could be considered a sub-set of it.. and libertarian/anarchist misses the mark. So "Juris Naturalist".

[Obrien]

^^^ agree, COTF.

[Original_Intent]

I believe we have to learn to live by the constitution before we can move on to anything better.

And I believe that it will take the cleansing to even get us to that point.

[ajax]

Assuming most here are right of center, where do you fall?

You don't have my answer on your scale. Juris Naturalist is a good word for it. Kingdom of God, Gospel of Liberty, and so on. Constitutionalist doesn't quite capture that but could be considered a sub-set of it.. and libertarian/anarchist misses the mark. So "Juris Naturalist".

Thanks. That's an interesting term. Richard Maybury?

It would seem to fit within this scale: Classical Liberalism / Libertarianism / Anarchism? How would you differentiate?

When I say political, I mean it in the same way Rothbard did when discussing libertarianism:

The fact is that libertarianism is not and does not pretend to be a complete moral or aesthetic theory; it is only a political theory, that is, the important subset of moral theory that deals with the proper role of violence in social life.

"What a person does with his or her life is vital and important, but is simply irrelevant to libertarianism."Political theory deals with what is proper or improper for government to do, and government is distinguished from every other group in society as being the institution of organized violence.

[Obrien]

It is hard to know all the intent, assumptions and perceptions behind the polls categories. Even harder to know these factors in each poll respondent's point of view.

Frankly, I am surprised there are no self identified tea partiers yet...

[creator]

It would seem to fit within this scale: Classical Liberalism / Libertarianism / Anarchism? How would you differentiate?

Libertarianism and Anarchism have several factors that make them anti-Liberty.

[lundbaek]

I have been participating regularly with two tea party groups here in Mesa, AZ. Attendance has been falling off and one of them packed it in last week. The other does not draw many people. A third tea party continues to draw about 200 people each Monday evening, when IU am not available.

[Thomas]

You forgot fascism, which would most likely be a popular option around here.

[buffalo_girl]

Absolutely cynical...

[caddis]

What is a constitutionalist and an anarchist?
And what's the difference between a rhino republican and a red state republican?

This is probably a good link for everyone to check out. :ymdevil:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what%27s+the+diffe ... ublican%3F

[freedomforall]

Since the amnesty of millions of illegal immigrants, we no longer have a Constitution. POTUS has won by all intents and purposes, [is this how one says it?] all that's left is the shouting of all the liberalists and the downfall of America under complete tyranny. The Constitution will only be good for wiping one's behind. Heck, the last several POTUS"S have been doing just that, and Americans fell for it. Patriotism is only a byword, something we used to hold dear. From now on patriotic people should hang their flags upside down.

Start at the 2:05 thru 3:12



From: http://www.jeffhead.com/liberty/flagdistress.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Why is the US Flag diplayed Upside Down?

The upside down U.S. flag is an official signal of distress. It is not meant to be, and is not officially recognized as any type of disrespect when so displayed for the right reasons. To the contrary, here is the relevant part of the US Code of Laws regarding how to fly the flag when in distress:

THE FLAG CODE
Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10
As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress
Approved July 7, 1976

§ 176. Respect for flag: No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

Most individuals who have served in the military service of our nation will (or should) recognize this signal.

As a result of the many traitors and enemies we as a free people have, both foreign and domestic, as a result of the many unconstitutional acts, legislation and atrocities passed and/or committed against US citizens and their life, liberty and property, and as a result of policies that have allowed (and continue to allow) enemies of this nation to enter in large numbers through a porous border policy, I believe the life, liberty and property of US Citizens are in dire danger and distress.

[Joel]

Me? The Classical Liberal ---> Libertarian ---> Anarchist range.

Me too.

FWIW - I think Zion will be anarchist.

Sounds heavenly to me.

[lundbaek]

The US Constitution has been in the shredder for many decades now. I can understand that most American voters, especially in the last 50 years or so, have little if any understanding of its principles, and for the most part, have had little time or motivation to learn about them. BUT, members of the LDS Church have access to a "Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet..." in which the Lord stated "And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose,...". And what have most members done with that knowledge ? How many have studied its principles ? How many have upheld and abided by it as citizens, voters, elected government office holders, and/or candidates for office ? That in itself is an "awful situation". How many obeyed when a Prophet and President of the LDS Church told us in 1987 that "We much learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" ? Sadly, I have to agree with freedomforall that there is hardly anything left of our Constitution.

[commonwealth]

I'm very interested in why there are so many libertarians/classic liberals (my response) that seem to have come together here. Granted, it is a "freedom forum," but I usually find myself such a loner on the political spectrum, and seeing the responses here is somewhat shocking.

[Obrien]

I'm a little concerned about the visual imagery put forth by ffa of presidents wiping their behinds with the constitution. it's insulting and disrespectful, even if it is true. glad I'm not the only one who uses butt imagery to make a point.

[SmallFarm]

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." ~ George Washington
I think that if we were a Zion people that we would need very little government and it would become largely ceremonial. We are far from a Zion people however and need a government proportionate to our wickedness.

[marc]

Constitutionalist. But I'm with Brian. Kingdom of God. If we had that option, mine would be the government upon His shoulders, even Zion.