LDS Freedom Forum

Hi, I'm new to the forum although I've been lurking for a while. I have learned much that is edifying but sadly more that is not.the discussions have been mainly interesting. The reason I wanted to join the forum was because I thought I might find more parents who we're struggling with there own children's apostasy.

My beautiful darling daughter was trying to do everything right. Found a worthy priesthood holder & married him in the temple. Of course that made me feel happy because we'd gotten 2 out of 4 married in the temple. Fast forwards a year and she decided that Joseph smith couldn't possibly have been a prophet because "obviously he lied to Emma about fanny Alger". There for Joseph could not have been a prophet and the chic his not true

I have no idea what to do to help her, of course it's broken my heart! And I'm mad it's almost all I can do to even be civil to her

Tell her he had been forewarned of God. By his own hand he had received revelation in July 1928 in what is now known as D&C 3:4-5&9.

Then on July 12, 1843 puts out doctrine saying if a man "desires" to espouse another it was ok. Which thing has been forbidden to any leaders of the House of Israel to "desire" to multiply gold nor silver nor wives.

Less than one year later on June 27, 1844 Joseph Smith lie dead no more protected by God as he had been forewarned.

So in at least this you can tell her he was a true prophet as he had foretold his own destruction years before.

She will have to come to know of herself that God used Joseph Smith for his own purposes to fulfill other Scriptures written.

She will have to on her own come to understand what it is that is called the "One Stick" given unto Ephraim as is written in the book of Ezekiel 37:15-23.

All the things happening have been foretold and written in this "One Stick" given unto Ephraim as a great " Urim and Thummin" for our day, to see things which are and which have been and are yet to come.

Welcome to the Forum. ♡

Sabra,
Your story is heart wrenching. As a parent I feel for you. Hang in there and be a strength for your child and hopefully the Lord will continue to work on your Daughter with others helping too. Our Son came back after many years and it was a loving group of Saints in Montana that did the trick. We will always be grateful. Put their names in the Temple as often as possible. It works.

Sabra wrote: The reason I wanted to join the forum was because I thought I might find more parents who we're struggling with there own children's apostasy.

Step 1: Don't look at them as an apostate, as lost and/or otherwise in need of repair. We ALL need repair. Just love them no matter what. Your repairs may be just as significant as her repairs. Let the Master repairman do it. Just love and accept.

Working out our own salvation with fear and trembling is an individual affair. You can't project your checklists and dreams onto others. Don't pester and poke. Just love.

Avoid passive aggressive behavior. That's the hardest.

It's Jesus Christ that wants to give you a free house look at section 42 of the Doctrine and Covenants. I want to hand out free houses too. ♡

i almost went down that road... i lovingly suggest that you rethink it.

my son who always gave me pause to worry, up & decided at a time he should be engaged in his education & furthering his future that he would up & follow his friend to New York. his friend (who would be humanistic in his views) got his college degree & decided he wanted to be an artist & my son (at the neglect of his education) tagged along to assist him in his pursuits, totally setting aside any of our guidance. really New York? totally expensive, setting himself up not to pursue his education & career... a parent's worry nightmare.

we couldn't reason with him or point him in any other direction at all, so i had a choice on how to respond to that. of course my mind went wild for a time thinking of ways to manipulate or exert pressure... i didn't know how to converse with him. so the only thing left for me was to decide to love him & his friend. i prayed for them & let it be up to the Lord.

fast forward to today & what happened with that... while participating in an art show, my son met a lovely young lady, strong, mature, family oriented, educated, with an indomitable spirit. they are soon to be engaged, she loves family & he is actually finally talking about becoming a father (which he never really did). since he has now gone back to college & is pre-med, she supports him for the most part & she drags him off to see his family every chance they get, they went to visit my mother a couple weekends ago, just because she wanted to see his family. they are meeting up with us again in a couple weeks for a small family gathering because she wants to be a part of it. they also dragged my mom to church while they were there.

one of my last conversations with him, he extolled the virtues of the mormon church that he discredited so often before as he expressed his atheistic views... he explained to me how much good has been accomplished for all of humanity because of it's emphasis on education & welfare & helping as a glue for society & families. (i was sort of dumbfounded).
this son previously spent a lot of time reading those books by the leading atheists/scientists... you could have knocked me over with that conversation. i tried to hide my shock.

the point is LOVE. control has zero power, zero value. LOVE will fulfill itself in the most amazing & unexpected manners. i never saw this beautiful young lady coming into our life to make all of us richer. i could have never seen what was in her heart (she is not lds). she is trying to fill a part of herself that hurts having left her family in the country she grew up in. & she is dynamic & wonderful & is bringing out everything that i ever hoped to see in my son. love leaves the door open to possibilities that you don't even know exists. love builds. love raises. love fulfills. love is everything.

Robert Sinclair wrote:It's Jesus Christ that wants to give you a free house look at section 42 of the Doctrine and Covenants. I want to hand out free houses too. ♡

They need to be yours to hand out. It's very easy to hand out other people's property.

The property is God's even all that I and my family have.

Whom do you think is the owner of the $40,000,000,000.00 and growing assets consecrated from the faithful Saints?

To whom shall you answer of your thoughts at the judgment bar of Christ?

Prepare for the day yet to come soon. ♡