Denial when beliefs and paradigms are challenged

[FoxMammaWisdom]

This is a great short documentary about the psychology behind cognitive dissonance and having your current paradigms, beliefs, traditions, and values challenged - primarily, DENIAL. This film is related to 9/11, but is applicable to anything - family trauma, waking up to the state of our country, the food industry, the medical and pharmaceutical industries, and discovering things about the church and/or leaders that are different from what we were taught.

[jbalm]

I refuse to believe that.

[shadow]

Good video. Maybe try applying it to yourself as well, Jules. I don't mean that rudely. Many wonder why all the Snuffer fans can't see the deception they've been sucked into, especially since his last lecture, the one that makes the whole thing so obvious and predictable, which it was. Many predicted exactly the road he has taken, the things he'd do etc.
A- "Just wait, he'll claim he's the one mighty and strong"
B -"Oh no he won't, he says he's nothing and doesn't want a following. He says that in his books, on his blog, on his tours, to his followers etc."
A- "Just wait and see."
Snuffer- I now hold the keys and the church doesn't because they ex'd me
A- "See, I told you."
B- "No, he's not the one mighty and strong, he's just the guy who wrested the keys from the church @-) "
A- " #-o "


D- "Hey, to all you TBM anti Snuffer guys, watch this video on denial"
A- " #-o "

[SmallFarm]

Truth is and always has been a double-edged sword that cuts both ways. If we knew the truth we'd fly to pieces.

[FoxMammaWisdom]

Good video. Maybe try applying it to yourself as well, Jules. I don't mean that rudely. Many wonder why all the Snuffer fans can't see the deception they've been sucked into, especially since his last lecture, the one that makes the whole thing so obvious and predictable, which it was. Many predicted exactly the road he has taken, the things he'd do etc.
A- "Just wait, he'll claim he's the one mighty and strong"
B -"Oh no he won't, he says he's nothing and doesn't want a following. He says that in his books, on his blog, on his tours, to his followers etc."
A- "Just wait and see."
Snuffer- I now hold the keys and the church doesn't because they ex'd me
A- "See, I told you."
B- "No, he's not the one mighty and strong, he's just the guy who wrested the keys from the church @-) "
A- " #-o "


D- "Hey, to all you TBM anti Snuffer guys, watch this video on denial"
A- " #-o "

I did go through all of this myself Shadow (actually, I have gone through this many times) - and it has nor did it have anything to do with Snuffer. (At least you are consistent with your strawmen and assumptions.) You must be utterly paranoid that you are going to have some Snuffer rub off on you or something to continually throw this stuff at people when they said NOTHING about it and weren't even thinking it.

I actually went through a recent paradigm stripping that was so painful and difficult for me - it was one of the worst (nope, nothing to do with Snuffer...). I was surprised at myself - as I consider myself one who like Joseph Smith admonished "believe all things" (is not unbelieving but willing to be taught by God despite my past traditions). But I held to that paradigm with a lot of fear I didn't realize I was harboring. It was a good exercise for me to have God strip me of that fear and help me to realize I was clinging to the vision that was most comfortable to me - that fit within my limited view.

[shadow]

Jules, you know a lot of how I post is just clowning around, mixed with truth of course.
But this is true- I'm glad you found happiness, and stripped yourself of whatever issues you had. I've progressed through life having to change things etc. as well. I'm in my happy spot too.

That said, I'm paranoid of Snuffer germs. They're worse than ebola :ymsick:
I'm constantly using Lysol wipes on my computer screen.

[FoxMammaWisdom]

Jules, you know a lot of how I post is just clowning around, mixed with truth of course.
But this is true- I'm glad you found happiness, and stripped yourself of whatever issues you had. I've progressed through life having to change things etc. as well. I'm in my happy spot too.

That said, I'm paranoid of Snuffer germs. They're worse than ebola :ymsick:
I'm constantly using Lysol wipes on my computer screen.

Then YOU shouldn't have brought Snuffer into this thread - now it's infected!! :)) ;)

I'm still working on being stripped of my paradigms and traditions - as we all are. The point is, it's UTTERLY painful! We really cling tightly to our comfort zone. Even regarding the example in this video, I refused to believe the things I do now about the whole 9/11 thing. It was painful for me to have my entire reality shattered. It brought terrible fear to me to know the state of this world - I felt comfortable in my little happy bubble. So I went through these stages the video discusses. Once I accepted the truth, I was comforted. We can't receive comfort until we ACCEPT the new truths.

I went through the same uncomfortable growth process when I found out my ex husband cheated on me, when I learned some of the things that have shaped my current spiritual beliefs, when as an adult - my parents divorced, etc. But when I accepted these new truths, the comfort came.

Our fear really does control us if we allow it to.

[caddis]

See my signature.

[2BFree]

Good video. Maybe try applying it to yourself as well, Jules. I don't mean that rudely. Many wonder why all the Snuffer fans can't see the deception they've been sucked into, especially since his last lecture, the one that makes the whole thing so obvious and predictable, which it was. Many predicted exactly the road he has taken, the things he'd do etc.
A- "Just wait, he'll claim he's the one mighty and strong"
B -"Oh no he won't, he says he's nothing and doesn't want a following. He says that in his books, on his blog, on his tours, to his followers etc."
A- "Just wait and see."
Snuffer- I now hold the keys and the church doesn't because they ex'd me
A- "See, I told you."
B- "No, he's not the one mighty and strong, he's just the guy who wrested the keys from the church @-) "
A- " #-o "


D- "Hey, to all you TBM anti Snuffer guys, watch this video on denial"
A- " #-o "

When are you going to get it...it has nothing to do with the messenger and everything to do with the message. You seem to have a real paranoia about Denver but you have no rebuttal to his message other than to put false words in his mouth and set up strawmen to knock them down just as the proponents of the government's theory of 9/11 do. You have to know the message and all the information to understand it and be open to alternative possibilities just as knowing the government's 9/11 theory and all the evidence that contradicts it.

[rewcox]

When are you going to get it...it has nothing to do with the messenger and everything to do with the message. You seem to have a real paranoia about Denver but you have no rebuttal to his message other than to put false words in his mouth and set up strawmen to knock them down just as the proponents of the government's theory of 9/11 do. You have to know the message and all the information to understand it and be open to alternative possibilities just as knowing the government's 9/11 theory and all the evidence that contradicts it.

Do you believe the church lost power when JS was martyred?

Are you going/have to be rebaptized? Why?

[shadow]

Good video. Maybe try applying it to yourself as well, Jules. I don't mean that rudely. Many wonder why all the Snuffer fans can't see the deception they've been sucked into, especially since his last lecture, the one that makes the whole thing so obvious and predictable, which it was. Many predicted exactly the road he has taken, the things he'd do etc.
A- "Just wait, he'll claim he's the one mighty and strong"
B -"Oh no he won't, he says he's nothing and doesn't want a following. He says that in his books, on his blog, on his tours, to his followers etc."
A- "Just wait and see."
Snuffer- I now hold the keys and the church doesn't because they ex'd me
A- "See, I told you."
B- "No, he's not the one mighty and strong, he's just the guy who wrested the keys from the church @-) "
A- " #-o "


D- "Hey, to all you TBM anti Snuffer guys, watch this video on denial"
A- " #-o "

When are you going to get it...it has nothing to do with the messenger and everything to do with the message. You seem to have a real paranoia about Denver but you have no rebuttal to his message other than to put false words in his mouth and set up strawmen to knock them down just as the proponents of the government's theory of 9/11 do. You have to know the message and all the information to understand it and be open to alternative possibilities just as knowing the government's 9/11 theory and all the evidence that contradicts it.

I know his message, and it's his message, so yes, it's about him. I have no paranoia of him. I have all sorts of rebuttals regarding his message. I've offered them. Others have offered them. You and I disagree. That's fine.

And I don't believe the governments version of 9/11 in case you were wondering.

[Mahonri]

Good video. Maybe try applying it to yourself as well, Jules. I don't mean that rudely. Many wonder why all the Snuffer fans can't see the deception they've been sucked into, especially since his last lecture, the one that makes the whole thing so obvious and predictable, which it was. Many predicted exactly the road he has taken, the things he'd do etc.
A- "Just wait, he'll claim he's the one mighty and strong"
B -"Oh no he won't, he says he's nothing and doesn't want a following. He says that in his books, on his blog, on his tours, to his followers etc."
A- "Just wait and see."
Snuffer- I now hold the keys and the church doesn't because they ex'd me
A- "See, I told you."
B- "No, he's not the one mighty and strong, he's just the guy who wrested the keys from the church @-) "
A- " #-o "


D- "Hey, to all you TBM anti Snuffer guys, watch this video on denial"
A- " #-o "

When are you going to get it...it has nothing to do with the messenger and everything to do with the message. You seem to have a real paranoia about Denver but you have no rebuttal to his message other than to put false words in his mouth and set up strawmen to knock them down just as the proponents of the government's theory of 9/11 do. You have to know the message and all the information to understand it and be open to alternative possibilities just as knowing the government's 9/11 theory and all the evidence that contradicts it.

I know his message, and it's his message, so yes, it's about him. I have no paranoia of him. I have all sorts of rebuttals regarding his message. I've offered them. Others have offered them. You and I disagree. That's fine.

And I don't believe the governments version of 9/11 in case you were wondering.

I... Can't... Believe.. I.. Agree... with.... Shadow @-)

[shestalou]

I agree it can be shocking to realize truth is stranger than fiction but we are all human and we all make human mistakes. O:-)

[FoxMammaWisdom]

A family member is going through some struggles as he faces changes in his life, and I was inspired to write this article today on this concept.

http://myjourneytothefullness.com/2014/ ... -of-truth/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Seek the Truth]

Good video. Maybe try applying it to yourself as well, Jules. I don't mean that rudely. Many wonder why all the Snuffer fans can't see the deception they've been sucked into, especially since his last lecture, the one that makes the whole thing so obvious and predictable, which it was. Many predicted exactly the road he has taken, the things he'd do etc.
A- "Just wait, he'll claim he's the one mighty and strong"
B -"Oh no he won't, he says he's nothing and doesn't want a following. He says that in his books, on his blog, on his tours, to his followers etc."
A- "Just wait and see."
Snuffer- I now hold the keys and the church doesn't because they ex'd me
A- "See, I told you."
B- "No, he's not the one mighty and strong, he's just the guy who wrested the keys from the church @-) "
A- " #-o "


D- "Hey, to all you TBM anti Snuffer guys, watch this video on denial"
A- " #-o "

:)) :)) :)) :))

Awesome.

[FoxMammaWisdom]

By the way, this is not a thread about Snuffer. Don't turn it into one guys.

[Seek the Truth]

[A MOD WAS HERE]

You have to know the message and all the information to understand it and be open to alternative possibilities just as knowing the government's 9/11 theory and all the evidence that contradicts it.

Do you know or understand the government's 9-11 theory. My understanding is that it is thousands of pages long. Have you read all of it.

[BroJones]

And I don't believe the governments version of 9/11 in case you were wondering.

Hurray! :ymhug: never thought I'd hear you say it, Shadow...

[Col. Flagg]

And I don't believe the governments version of 9/11 in case you were wondering.

Hurray! :ymhug: never thought I'd hear you say it, Shadow...

It did take some time, but I always knew he'd see the light.

[Thinker]

I have been taught in church that if you study something and feel negative feelings then it must be from the Adversary. But that teaching is actually deceptive in itself.

• “In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. This discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person's belief clashes with new evidence perceived by the person. When confronted with facts that contradict beliefs, ideals, and values, people will try to find a way to resolve the contradiction to reduce their discomfort.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Realizing the Easter bunny or other mythic childhood legends are not real may be a basic type of cognitive dissonance. It’s a bummer. You want to go back to the magic of believing, but you can’t - at least not without being stunted in maturity. When I read some things about the church that were undeniable - I still didn’t want to believe it - & I felt awful. But I pushed through those negative feelings, determined to find truth and in many ways it set me free and helped me establish a firmer foundation of faith in God (& not faith in man). But it isn’t easy and that’s why many choose the easier way of denial and focusing only on that which supports their beliefs - even when they’re missing the mark.

[oneClimbs]

I wrote a post a while back about how shattering paradigms is actually necessary to come to know God.

Expect them to be shattered, otherwise accept that you now know everything and there is nothing left to learn.

I share several accounts from scripture where prophets and others encounter divine experiences and have their minds blown.

http://oneclimbs.com/2015/09/20/the-pat ... paradigms/

[Michael Sherwin]

I have been taught in church that if you study something and feel negative feelings then it must be from the Adversary. But that teaching is actually deceptive in itself.

• “In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. This discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person's belief clashes with new evidence perceived by the person. When confronted with facts that contradict beliefs, ideals, and values, people will try to find a way to resolve the contradiction to reduce their discomfort.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Realizing the Easter bunny or other mythic childhood legends are not real may be a basic type of cognitive dissonance. It’s a bummer. You want to go back to the magic of believing, but you can’t - at least not without being stunted in maturity. When I read some things about the church that were undeniable - I still didn’t want to believe it - & I felt awful. But I pushed through those negative feelings, determined to find truth and in many ways it set me free and helped me establish a firmer foundation of faith in God (& not faith in man). But it isn’t easy and that’s why many choose the easier way of denial and focusing only on that which supports their beliefs - even when they’re missing the mark.

When I was 5yo I came to the realization all by myself that santa, the easter bunny and the tooth ferry were all fake. Then I stood there wondering if my parents knew or if they were just stupid. And if they knew, why were they lying to me. But when I realized that they did the presents, the candy and the quarter under the pillow I realized that they were just lying.

[Thinker]

I have been taught in church that if you study something and feel negative feelings then it must be from the Adversary. But that teaching is actually deceptive in itself.

• “In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. This discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person's belief clashes with new evidence perceived by the person. When confronted with facts that contradict beliefs, ideals, and values, people will try to find a way to resolve the contradiction to reduce their discomfort.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Realizing the Easter bunny or other mythic childhood legends are not real may be a basic type of cognitive dissonance. It’s a bummer. You want to go back to the magic of believing, but you can’t - at least not without being stunted in maturity. When I read some things about the church that were undeniable - I still didn’t want to believe it - & I felt awful. But I pushed through those negative feelings, determined to find truth and in many ways it set me free and helped me establish a firmer foundation of faith in God (& not faith in man). But it isn’t easy and that’s why many choose the easier way of denial and focusing only on that which supports their beliefs - even when they’re missing the mark.

When I was 5yo I came to the realization all by myself that santa, the easter bunny and the tooth ferry were all fake. Then I stood there wondering if my parents knew or if they were just stupid. And if they knew, why were they lying to me. But when I realized that they did the presents, the candy and the quarter under the pillow I realized that they were just lying.

I imagined it broke your heart - in 2 different ways.
I’ve taught my kids a mix because I love the magic of believing but I also don’t want to lie to them, so, since they were little I told them I help Santa and that Santa is more of a Spirit (which they didn’t really understand until they got a little older).

This brings up something a friend said during my faith crisis, that has stuck with me. “Functional illusions are priceless.” Lol I’ve debated this with some who insist it’s illogical to deceive yourself and you can’t even do it. But think about what people do when they dance to their favorite song or cry at a movie.

I’m beginning to think that functional illusions are significantly what connecting with God’s all about - and maybe also after life when we’re pure consciousness. Think about one of your favorite childhood memories, or something that gives you a great feeling - an image, idea or music. Just thinking about it can make you feel good now!

What do you think?

[Juliet]

I guess that's why change takes time. For paradigms to change you plant one seed at a time and wait for it to grow. People need certainty. When paradigms need to change it is best to work with human needs and nature instead of against it.

[BeNotDeceived]

I guess that's why change takes time. For paradigms to change you plant one seed at a time and wait for it to grow. People need certainty. When paradigms need to change it is best to work with human needs and nature instead of against it.

Paradigm, but not Stasis, is another clue to the current conundrum. It’s similar to another game, that’s really a blast, except you can really only play once. Because once the cat’s outa the bag all you can do is supply more clues to the next person caught unaware.

The truth of what’s said, has nothing to do with the meaning of word(s). Recent clues capitalize words, based on how they fit the unique truth paradigm, and their placement relative to the comma.

Googling the name of the similar game, seemed to show a certain reverence to giving the secret away. That’s why I hope to only reveal the secret in OD, hidden from public search queries.