Spencer's Car

[iWriteStuff]

For those of you who have read Visions of Glory, you'll know what I'm talking about. For those that haven't, you should probably go pick up a copy.

Spencer, in Visions of Glory, said the earthquake in SLC that started the "beginning of the calamities" occurred as he was leaving the Church Office Building. He was in the parking garage (lot?) and saw the car he owned, which he remembered, and then he was forced to basically run for his life as the ground started to shake, water gushed up from below, and basically all hell broke loose.

Spencer said he did not own that car at the time of the writing of the book, which I believe was 2011. However, I think someone mentioned on one of these threads that they had heard that Spencer now owns the car that he saw in vision when things start to fall apart.

Does anyone know if that's true or how it is known?

[Elias Returns]

Yes, it is true. I know "Spencer" personally. The car was assigned to him from the Church motor pool this time last year, as well as the specific parking space in the parking garage.

[iWriteStuff]

I know Julie Rowe said something pretty much identical to that.

Quite right! I'm very familiar with Sis. Rowe's statement, but I know "Spencer" made a similar one.... Just wondering if anyone knew anything more about this.

Definitely living in exciting times!

[waking]

Oh good! I can no longer afford my mortgage, just in time....sarcasm off.

[iWriteStuff]

Yes, it is true. I know "Spencer" personally. The car was assigned to him from the Church motor pool this time last year, as well as the specific parking space in the parking garage.

Awesome! That's what I was looking for. Any clue as to how long specific cars are assigned to individuals?

[caddis]

I've seen "Spencer" referenced several times on LDSFF. Who is he in a nutshell? He works for the church?

[Rose Garden]

He died and came back to life more than once and John Pontius wrote a book about the visions he had during the time he was dead. It's called Visions of Glory.

[iWriteStuff]

He died and came back to life more than once and John Pontius wrote a book about the visions he had during the time he was dead. It's called Visions of Glory.

I DEFINITELY recommend a reading of this book. Like, immediately. It contains both inspiring accounts of the Spirit World as well as a warning for things which are to come, all of which is backed by the scriptures and prophecy.

[caddis]

He died and came back to life more than once and John Pontius wrote a book about the visions he had during the time he was dead. It's called Visions of Glory.

I DEFINITELY recommend a reading of this book. Like, immediately. It contains both inspiring accounts of the Spirit World as well as a warning for things which are to come, all of which is backed by the scriptures and prophecy.

Seeing how you write stuff....how about a cliff note version.

[braingrunt]

Seeing how you write stuff....how about a cliff note version.

Aren't you one of those who is all about going directly to the source? Sorry if I falsely accuse you.

[brianne541]

Yes, it is true. I know "Spencer" personally. The car was assigned to him from the Church motor pool this time last year, as well as the specific parking space in the parking garage.

Interesting

Gosh I would love to sit down with that man and pick his brain…

[iWriteStuff]

I've seen "Spencer" referenced several times on LDSFF. Who is he in a nutshell? He works for the church?

You just gotta read the book...no summary will do it Justice

Yeah, I thought about writing up a lengthy summary, but honestly I think I'd probably not get it all 100% accurate, properly represent the spirit and tone of the book, and omit important details. iWriteStuff, sure, but I forget details even better. Plus I may tend to focus on one part more than another, skewing or misrepresenting the message of the book.

Suffice it to say Spencer had a very special series of experiences that we can learn from, not least of which involve interactions with beings beyond the veil and the ministration of angels. Then there is the part where he speaks about things to come. That needs to be read as it was written, as I don't think I can do it justice. The part I've mentioned, about him seeing his car and leaving the church office building as an earthquake starts to rattle SLC, is just the beginning of that section. The rest involves foreign armies invading the U.S., places of refuge, plagues, the power of the priesthood magnified, and the journey to and building of the New Jerusalem.

Seriously, pick up a copy. It's one of the best things you'll read all year.

[LDSguy]

He died and came back to life more than once and John Pontius wrote a book about the visions he had during the time he was dead. It's called Visions of Glory.

I DEFINITELY recommend a reading of this book. Like, immediately. It contains both inspiring accounts of the Spirit World as well as a warning for things which are to come, all of which is backed by the scriptures and prophecy.

And then re-read it again, and again.

[Lizzy60]

A review from LDS Magazine.

http://www.ldsmag.com/article/1/13817" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[caddis]

Seeing how you write stuff....how about a cliff note version.

Aren't you one of those who is all about going directly to the source? Sorry if I falsely accuse you.

I'm not sure how to take this. I feel there is more to your statement than what you are saying. Care to elaborate?

[LDSguy]

A review from LDS Magazine.

http://www.ldsmag.com/article/1/13817" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think one thing that a lot of people like about VOG an A Greater Tomorrow and other visions and dreams, is the modern day details. Whereas the scriptures allude to a gathering and are full of parallels for our day, these books and other dreams contain specific details that we can relate to in modern day America. The scriptures might say "and in the last days I will gather my people" but these visions and dreams explain HOW that will supposedly happen.

However, if someone replaces the scriptures with these books and other vision then there is a problem.

At least that is how I look at it.

[caddis]

I've seen "Spencer" referenced several times on LDSFF. Who is he in a nutshell? He works for the church?

You just gotta read the book...no summary will do it Justice

Yeah, I thought about writing up a lengthy summary, but honestly I think I'd probably not get it all 100% accurate, properly represent the spirit and tone of the book, and omit important details. iWriteStuff, sure, but I forget details even better. Plus I may tend to focus on one part more than another, skewing or misrepresenting the message of the book.

Suffice it to say Spencer had a very special series of experiences that we can learn from, not least of which involve interactions with beings beyond the veil and the ministration of angels. Then there is the part where he speaks about things to come. That needs to be read as it was written, as I don't think I can do it justice. The part I've mentioned, about him seeing his car and leaving the church office building as an earthquake starts to rattle SLC, is just the beginning of that section. The rest involves foreign armies invading the U.S., places of refuge, plagues, the power of the priesthood magnified, and the journey to and building of the New Jerusalem.

Seriously, pick up a copy. It's one of the best things you'll read all year.

Looks like I need to pick up a copy. The part I highlighted above caught my attention. In my brothers Patriarchal blessing it says he "will heal people by touch much like Christ". I have often wondered if that would come to pass in an last days scenario where hospital care is no long available.

[braingrunt]

Seeing how you write stuff....how about a cliff note version.

Aren't you one of those who is all about going directly to the source? Sorry if I falsely accuse you.

I'm not sure how to take this. I feel there is more to your statement than what you are saying. Care to elaborate?

I'm referring to those people who say that any secondhand snuffer info is bad or misleading.

[jockeybox]

A review from LDS Magazine.

http://www.ldsmag.com/article/1/13817" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think one thing that a lot of people like about VOG an A Greater Tomorrow and other visions and dreams, is the modern day details. Whereas the scriptures allude to a gathering and are full of parallels for our day, these books and other dreams contain specific details that we can relate to in modern day America. The scriptures might say "and in the last days I will gather my people" but these visions and dreams explain HOW that will supposedly happen.

However, if someone replaces the scriptures with these books and other vision then there is a problem.

At least that is how I look at it.

The details may be specific, but does that mean it is literal? Just a thought. Are there specifics described in the book that represent an idea rather than a factual occurrence? I've gone back and forth with VoG and if it is literal or symbolic. Probably both. What if the major earthquake isn't so much a a physical destruction, but a spiritual/symbolic one. Or the flooding. Or the traveling.

What I realized is I need to ensure I understand the scriptures, that always feel the most stable and solid platform for me.

All that being said, I did enjoy reading and pondering about it. It gave me much to consider.

[OnGoing]

That is cool what your brothers patriarchal blessing says! Mine says one of my gifts will comfort those who are sick and in fear by touch. I used to wonder why the word fear was used instead of something more common, like stress. Now I know why!

[dlbww]

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[caddis]

Aren't you one of those who is all about going directly to the source? Sorry if I falsely accuse you.[/quote]

I'm not sure how to take this. I feel there is more to your statement than what you are saying. Care to elaborate?[/quote]

I'm referring to those people who say that any secondhand snuffer info is bad or misleading.

Oh I see. Well. I'm not a Snuffer guy. I haven't read any of his books or gone to any of his speeches. I have dropped by his website once or twice to read a few postings. I haven't felt the desire or prompting or whatever you want to call it to "investigate". So while I feel going directly to the source is extremely important, if I don't have the source immediately available I will ask about a condensed version of the info, to see if I'm even interested....hence the request for cliff notes.

[nvr]

I think someone mentioned on one of these threads that they had heard that Spencer now owns the car that he saw in vision when things start to fall apart.

The car was assigned to him from the Church motor pool this time last year,

Seriously, he might have thought to ask to keep his old one when he saw the model the motor pool tried to give him. Same thing with the parking space. Just ask to be reassigned - or just park in a visitor's spot from now on. I mean, he could be saving the entire Salt Lake valley!

[braingrunt]

As in THE car? Don't most companies lease their vehicles for approximately 3 years or so? So, trying to do the math in my head ... 2 years left? That about fits with the USA economic downturn cycle starting in the Fall of 2015 according to Martin Armstrong. Interesting.

lol, this car needs a name. Maybe
The harbinger
The <insert color here> horse of the apocalypse
The horn

I want you to know, I'm not taking this very seriously.

[caddis]

How about the 4-cylinders of the apocalypse.