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Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 5:49 am
by g_luv_style
Observing this thread for awhile and I don't see the point of those that keep harping on Sis Rowe. A lot of people that have been critical on here haven't/had read her book before casting judgment. So her message isn't for you...move on. I don't understand the obsession to keep picking at it.
Anyone ever play the what if game? What if these experiences happened to you? How would you respond? How would you want others to receive your message. I find it funny that those practicing a faith that is based on a person receiving a vision and revelation mock and scorns others for doing the same. I guess Joseph endured it all as well.
Thank you Sis Rowe for sharing your experiences. I have yet to determine how your message directly affects me. However, I appreciate your courage in sharing your message, knowing before hand the consequences of doing so.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 5:59 am
by Robin Hood
jkrowe wrote:My experience was real. It was a very personal and sacred experience and not an easy thing for me to share with others, let alone the world to scrutinize, mock, discredit or otherwise spread negativity and outright rude and insensitive remarks, false accusations, and flat out unkind things said to me or about me.
Emotion Code is not evil. Far from it. If you care to learn more you can actually go to Dr. Nelson's website. He is a good, active member of the church and I know him personally. I have already finished this second and final book and in it I have written an appendix on the Emotion Code and how I learned of it and about it. Although I am an Emotion Code Pracitioner, I do not actively work as one and have not charged people. I have provided it as service to those in need.
We are all on our own life's journey and I don't expect anyone to just automatically believe me and my story. To each his own. I do however, expect more decency out of people that what has been shown by some on this forum. I wonder - if we were to meet in person - would you treat me so rudely - so insensitively - and so outright mean? Maybe so, and if so, well - then - that speaks volumes.
Who are you to judge and falsely accuse so harshly and so blatantly? I ask this of anyone who on this thread or any other who has done this to me. Enough already.
I came across another site where people have outright started lies about me saying that they had "learned I was not active in the church when I had my NDE." Nothing could be farther from the truth. I was in my ward Relief Society Presidency at the time, in good standing, and regularly attending the temple at least once a month even though the temple was a four hour drive each direction.
Each of my bishops and stake Presidents know me well, know my story and have read my book. They all believe me and know I speak the truth. Some of them were there in the hospital with me and shortly after, and I spent many years counseling with them because of what I had experienced.
For those who have never had severe health issues, and particularly been close to death or had an NDE - may I be so blunt as to say you have no idea what it is like to go through something like this. It has been an extremely long and painful experience and although I am grateful for the knowledge gained, I would not wish it upon my worst enemy. The physical, emotional, and mental pain alone have been unspeakable.
I have nothing to prove to anyone. I just can't get over why some people take such issue with what I have chosen to share. It is my personal experience and if you choose not to believe it - so be it. Then go on your merry way and leave me and the whole message alone. Why must you go to such great effort to try to tear me down, discredit me and my story, and seek to bring others with you ???? What is your purpose?
Truthfully all the opposition just gives me more and more clarity on the importance of the message and gives me greater courage to speak my truth. Perhaps I should actually be thanking you for being so cruel and hurtful. You are fueling my fire and helping me come to an even greater understanding of the importance of completing part of my earthly mission.
People have a lot of nerve and it is really really starting to get on my nerves.
I am not naive to the situation. I know full well what I agreed to do when I took on this assignment. I have been well prepared. Having said that, it does not change the fact that what people say does have an impact.
Once again I will state this as a matter of fact and not just my opinion...I do not say this to boast in any way at all...I say this in all sincerity and with all of the energy of my soul: We all need to be very careful about what we say and what we write. It truly is recorded in the Heavens and there are many witnesses. Our thoughts, words and actions have a rippling effect.
My message is to serve as a voice of hope and warning. I am to testify and witness of the truths I know. It is that simple.
I testify to you and any who read my words ----I speak the truth. The day will come when you will know without a doubt that the words I have written, the words I have spoken - are true. You and each us will be held accountable for our thoughts, words, and actions including the way you have treated me regarding all of this and what has been done personally and collectively to prepare as we have been warned repeatedly.
I know what I know and no matter what anyone says or does that will not change what I know.
My hope is that I can be of service and help to any and all who can benefit from the message. I am not here to please anyone other than the Lord. I answer to Him.
I suggest that before you throw out any more harsh judgements etc., that you take a good look in the mirror and an honest look at your own heart. In my experience, there are usually some very specific reasons people react negatively to certain messages of truth.
1) they are past feeling
2) they are afraid
3) they are angry about something
4) they are prideful
5) they are unhappy with themselves
6) they have other unresolved issues they are dealing with
7) they are struggling with something they need to work on or repent of
8) they have a hard heart/they are hurting
the list could go on....but I think you get the point.
I am speaking from personal experience - I am not judging here. I am sharing what I have learned from my own personal trials in life.
Please ...please...please. Just quit putting me down, criticizing, saying mean and hurtful and vindictive negative things about me.
How about putting all of that time and energy into spreading your own message of light and hope about something rather than wasting it on opposing my message?
Sister Rowe,
It appears you are probably aiming most of your comments at me.
Did you really think everyone was just going to heap praise upon you?
You can't expect people to just take you at face value when you go public in this way.
Why does the criticism bother you so much?
Has it hit a nerve?
I have to say, I think your outburst is quite bizarre.
I don't doubt that you are a committed saint and that you truly believe the things you have written. But that does not place me under any obligation whatsoever to believe you; none at all. In fact, I am under an obligation to "prove all things", which is what I have tried to do. And when I did this your book was found wanting..... seriously wanting.
Life isn't black and white. If it was and I had to make a judgment, based on your book, as to whether you were telling the truth, I would have to conclude that you were not. But life isn't like that. I don't doubt that you experienced something when you were sick, but that was 9 years before you wrote the book and our minds have a capacity to fill in the blanks, to make connections that weren't originally there, and to exaggerate impressions or even create memories. This is a well-known phenomena. You state in your book that you have always been an avid reader, so there was plenty of information in your brain for your mind to create something more out of the experience.
I believe this because it is very obvious from your book that you have relied heavily on source material. My feeling is that this was probably unconscious or even subconscious, and not a deliberate attempt to deceive.
Judging by your comments here, I suspect that in your quiet moments you are not entirely convinced of your experience yourself, which would explain why you feel so threatened when people question your story.
Good luck with the next book, I think you'll need it.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 8:25 am
by Canadian
Julie,
A whole lot of people believe and love you. Continue on. I wish you could come up to Toronto, Canada and help wake up some of us here. May the Lord continue to bless you and your children and husband. My life has been blessed because of your mission.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 8:45 am
by wingingit
There are a few bullies on this forum on both sides of a few issues, which is really unfortunate. I don't get why some of them keep dragging out their arguements and putting others down to get their point across, especially on this thread. So you don't agree, good for you. But for crying out loud, quit beating a dead horse.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 8:46 am
by iWriteStuff
Sis. Rowe, I appreciate the wisdom and compassion of both your words in print and on this forum. I can't imagine being in your position and experiencing such trials, both physically and spiritually. There is a refiner's fire that I think sooner or later we must all go through in order to know our true worth and purpose in the eyes of God. Some experience it sooner than others, but it is something that all true disciples must endure in order to be worthy to serve and return to God's presence. I know I'm nowhere near there, and I still have many trials to go through as well. I hope I endure them well, although I can imagine it's more challenging than anything I've yet endured.
Sadly, I'd have to agree that for some, the message is not for them. I'm not sure why it resonates with some but not all. Perhaps that is the challenge associated with sharing a personal experience - some can relate, some cannot or will not. And some just resort to rudeness or opposition rather than letting it go. I believe Christ gave an honest testimony to his accusers and then let them decide for themselves whether to believe or disbelieve his words. Those with ears to hear, heard. Those without ears to hear did not receive the same blessings as those who did. The same goes for all prophets/apostles/true messengers from the beginning of time. My feeling is that it's a matter of preparedness to hear the word and perhaps also a matter of timing. Things we may not be prepared to hear now may resonate more loudly later on when that message is needed most.
Don't give up, and please don't get discouraged. We all have a part to play in this great wind up scene of the last days. I think you are doing an amazing job of standing up for your beliefs and sharing what you know to be true. Would that we all had such courage.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 9:14 am
by nvr
The problem is, this emotion code stuff is very un-scientific. It has all the hallmarks of pseudoscience. It is difficult to trust a person who believes and practices something that comes across as quackery. This is not meant to be rude. Emotion code simply does not appear to be a legitimate medical practice - any effects are almost certainly placebo unless it can be shown otherwise.
It is not difficult to set up studies and have them peer reviewed and published. People see the smoke from this EC stuff and naturally become alarmed and cautious about believing anything more - their instincts tell them there may be a fire nearby to avoid.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 9:16 am
by frankcastle
I have not read the book, but have listened to the radio shows multiple times.
My takeaway from Sister Rowe’s message is that first, I should be prepared with food storage and get out of debt – something President Monson reiterated just last month. Second, thanks to Sister Rowe, if there ever is a “call to gather” of some sort, I am going to make sure I am part of it. If I had never heard of it before, I might have blown it off and not attended. If there is never a call to gather, or go to a tent city, I am not out anything. All I did was follow the counsel of the Prophet and get prepared. So to me that is the greatest thing Sister Rowe did was to open my mind to the possibility of a “gathering” and help me to decide in advance that if one does occur, I am going to wholeheartedly be part of it.
Thanks, Sister Rowe
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 10:15 am
by Robin Hood
frankcastle wrote:I have not read the book, but have listened to the radio shows multiple times.
My takeaway from Sister Rowe’s message is that first, I should be prepared with food storage and get out of debt – something President Monson reiterated just last month. Second, thanks to Sister Rowe, if there ever is a “call to gather” of some sort, I am going to make sure I am part of it. If I had never heard of it before, I might have blown it off and not attended. If there is never a call to gather, or go to a tent city, I am not out anything. All I did was follow the counsel of the Prophet and get prepared. So to me that is the greatest thing Sister Rowe did was to open my mind to the possibility of a “gathering” and help me to decide in advance that if one does occur, I am going to wholeheartedly be part of it.
Thanks, Sister Rowe
So let me get this right.
The words of the prophets and apostles, as well as the testimony of scripture, are not sufficient for you? Is that what you're saying?
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 10:22 am
by Robin Hood
nvr wrote:The problem is, this emotion code stuff is very un-scientific. It has all the hallmarks of pseudoscience. It is difficult to trust a person who believes and practices something that comes across as quackery. This is not meant to be rude. Emotion code simply does not appear to be a legitimate medical practice - any effects are almost certainly placebo unless it can be shown otherwise.
It is not difficult to set up studies and have them peer reviewed and published. People see the smoke from this EC stuff and naturally become alarmed and cautious about believing anything more - their instincts tell them there may be a fire nearby to avoid.
Yes that was a red flag for me too. But only one of many.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 10:25 am
by iWriteStuff
Robin Hood wrote:frankcastle wrote:I have not read the book, but have listened to the radio shows multiple times.
My takeaway from Sister Rowe’s message is that first, I should be prepared with food storage and get out of debt – something President Monson reiterated just last month. Second, thanks to Sister Rowe, if there ever is a “call to gather” of some sort, I am going to make sure I am part of it. If I had never heard of it before, I might have blown it off and not attended. If there is never a call to gather, or go to a tent city, I am not out anything. All I did was follow the counsel of the Prophet and get prepared. So to me that is the greatest thing Sister Rowe did was to open my mind to the possibility of a “gathering” and help me to decide in advance that if one does occur, I am going to wholeheartedly be part of it.
Thanks, Sister Rowe
So let me get this right.
The words of the prophets and apostles are not sufficient for you? Is that what you're saying?
I think the idea portrayed by his comment was that there's nothing wrong with other witnesses of the truth. I mean hey, watch me do it right now: follow the prophet, get out of debt, learn to follow the Spirit. Preparing both spiritually and temporally will bless you and your family during trials and hardships.
Does believing what I just said mean not listening to the prophets and apostles? No, I'm just adding my witness. You don't get mad when someone in church bares their testimony of the same, so why should it bother you when someone does the same somewhere else? Granted, you don't believe the rest of her story, but does that make the overall message wrong? As I've said before, and as Frank Castle says above, the worst that will happen is you end up being obedient to that which we've already been taught. That's not a bad goal for someone sharing their witness and I don't understand why you'd disparage that, even if you didn't believe it.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 10:39 am
by Robin Hood
wingingit wrote: I don't get why some of them keep dragging out their arguements and putting others down to get their point across, especially on this thread. So you don't agree, good for you. But for crying out loud, quit beating a dead horse.
I'll tell you why. Because many well-meaning saints swallow this nonsense and are then let down later when they discover they've been had. They adjust their mindset, even their worldview, to conform with these accounts and when the house of cards comes tumbling down often their testimonies do too. I have seen this happen a number of times.
I have seen these NDE's/visions/dream stories etc come and go with alarming regularity over the years. And, surprise, surprise, we always have to pay to access them. It's always a book or a seminar and it's always available at a price. You can buy anything in this world for money - including, apparently, vitally important messages from God!
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 10:43 am
by iWriteStuff
Robin Hood wrote:wingingit wrote: I don't get why some of them keep dragging out their arguements and putting others down to get their point across, especially on this thread. So you don't agree, good for you. But for crying out loud, quit beating a dead horse.
I'll tell you why. Because many well-meaning saints swallow this nonsense and are then let down later when they discover they've been had. They adjust their mindset, even their worldview, to conform with these accounts and when the house of cards comes tumbling down often their testimonies do too. I have seen this happen a number of times.
I have seen these NDE's/visions/dream stories etc come and go with alarming regularity over the years. And, surprise, surprise, we always have to pay to access them. It's always a book or a seminar and it's always available at a price. You can buy anything in this world for money - including, apparently, vitally important messages from God!
If having spent money on a book is a problem for you, I will gladly buy it from you and pay to have it shipped back from England. I'd value an uplifting message over a few bucks/pounds any day, plus I have some friends that want to borrow my book and I only have the one copy to lend.
Seriously, if you don't want it PM me and I'll take it off your hands for what you paid + shipping.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 10:50 am
by Robin Hood
iWriteStuff wrote:Robin Hood wrote:wingingit wrote: I don't get why some of them keep dragging out their arguements and putting others down to get their point across, especially on this thread. So you don't agree, good for you. But for crying out loud, quit beating a dead horse.
I'll tell you why. Because many well-meaning saints swallow this nonsense and are then let down later when they discover they've been had. They adjust their mindset, even their worldview, to conform with these accounts and when the house of cards comes tumbling down often their testimonies do too. I have seen this happen a number of times.
I have seen these NDE's/visions/dream stories etc come and go with alarming regularity over the years. And, surprise, surprise, we always have to pay to access them. It's always a book or a seminar and it's always available at a price. You can buy anything in this world for money - including, apparently, vitally important messages from God!
If having spent money on a book is a problem for you, I will gladly buy it from you and pay to have it shipped back from England. I'd value an uplifting message over a few bucks/pounds any day, plus I have some friends that want to borrow my book and I only have the one copy to lend.
Seriously, if you don't want it PM me and I'll take it off your hands for what you paid + shipping.
It's not that it's a problem, I just feel rather foolish parting with money for something that has no value. I also feel bad because having contributed to the success of the book (by buying it) I am, to a certain extent, complicit in the deception.
So the cover price, plus the cost of shipping it here, plus the cost of shipping it back again? Is that what you're saying? If so, you have a deal.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 10:52 am
by iWriteStuff
Robin Hood wrote:
So the cover price, plus the cost of shipping it here, plus the cost of shipping it back again? Is that what you're saying? If so, you have a deal.
Yup that's what I'm saying. I'd far rather spend too much for another copy than have you think you wasted your money.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 10:59 am
by Robin Hood
iWriteStuff wrote:Robin Hood wrote:
So the cover price, plus the cost of shipping it here, plus the cost of shipping it back again? Is that what you're saying? If so, you have a deal.
Yup that's what I'm saying. I'd far rather spend too much for another copy than have you think you wasted your money.
I think about $6000 should cover it!!! ;)
I'll check it out when I get home from work and PM you with the price.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 11:08 am
by frankcastle
iWriteStuff wrote:Robin Hood wrote:
So let me get this right.
The words of the prophets and apostles are not sufficient for you? Is that what you're saying?
Could you please point me to the Conference talks and the chapter and verse in the scriptures where it talks about gathering to tent cities in the last days? All I was saying is that I had not heard about that at church or noticed it in the scriptures before, so I might have been skeptical if it turns out to be true and I was just hearing it for the first time at the time of a call out. I hope that I have the faith to heed a call from the Prophet, regardless of what I knew beforehand.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 11:32 am
by SPITZ
We gravitate towards and validate emotions we nurture. What emotions are we choosing to nurture? God's continuous blessings for you and yours J.K. Rowe
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 11:39 am
by SPITZ
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 1:07 pm
by SPITZ
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 2:15 pm
by Jared E
I do not know Sister Rowe personally. That said, I've had a number of my own experiences in life and have tried to put myself in her shoes. She is a person who has witnessed firsthand the awful state that awaits the unbelievers and those who speak against the prophets and the Lord's work. She has witnessed what Alma the Younger witnessed. It probably saddens her to a great extent to see people who try to place one foot in the promised land but the other in Babylon, and either ignorantly or intentionally strive to lead others into that awful gulf. That being said, while I'm sure it lifts her spirits to see so many people who believe her, and have used her experience as inspiration to active engage in warning others, I can imagine that it also causes her great sorrow to see others headed to such a miserable gulf.
Robin, now that you've read her book, I invite you to listen to her archived radio interviews. As you many have already read in the posts here and on her other thread from those summer months, it was listening to her firsthand that changed many of her critics here into believers. There is something very powerful in the six hours of testimony and explanation, all with complete continuity, and not one word contrasting the scriptures or the teachings of the living prophets. Please give it a listen.
Jared
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 3:04 pm
by Catherine
I think Robin Hood is just jealous. I will add that to the list Julie started with why people are cruel. It is human nature to be envious of people that do things they wish they could. Why didn't Christ come to me and tell me these things? I must not be as important, or prepared, or good etc... That sort of thing. My advice is to be happy with yourself. Satan is the one that gives those feelings of being incapable or not good enough. We will all know the answer someday but for crying out loud just get spiritually and temporally prepared. What is so crazy about that? I'm sure there are people that fight against it because they don't want to leave the comforts of their home. I know I sure don't want to. But how are we to become a Zion people without such s sacrifice? It will be worth it in the end. Til then all you haters... Shush... Your giving me a headache:)
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 3:14 pm
by iWriteStuff
Catherine wrote:I'm sure there are people that fight against it because they don't want to leave the comforts of their home. I know I sure don't want to. But how are we to become a Zion people without such s sacrifice? It will be worth it in the end.
haha, funny you should say this, Catherine. Prior to listening to the radio interview and reading Julie's book, my wife was heard to say, "I'm sure glad I was born in the modern age and not the pioneer age. Heavenly Father knows I couldn't have handled that kind of life!" Now her thought process is, "Dang it! How do I learn to can, sew, and cook things in the wild? I need to get prepared and I need to be self sufficient."
I think the hardest thing for her was learning to accept how things might change as we are called to go through trials. It was kind of a big thump on the head, thinking she wouldn't have to sacrifice like that for the good of Zion but now trying to adjust her thinking to a "give anything up to be one with the Saints and people of Zion" attitude. In that sense alone, I think the experience has been good for us because it has helped us shift our perspective and willingness to sacrifice.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 3:19 pm
by Jared E
Hi Catherine, I wouldn't go that far, to label anyone jealous, but what befuddles me is how opposed people are to a very simple two-fold message:
(1) if you have procrastinated the day of your spiritual and temporal preparation, repent and do it now; and
(2) follow the prophet.
That's it. That's what people are very vocally and publicly criticizing.
Sister Rowe, they laughed at Lehi also.
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 3:30 pm
by Catherine
Great comments above. The reason why I said jealousy is because I know someone who feels that way about Julie. He is upset that he wasn't given these messages. Who really knows why people react they way they do:(. I love the comment about just being pushed to think about our willingness to leave is helpful to see where our obedience lies. I have thought about it frequently. I will go. I freaking hate camping just so you know. It won't be easy, but I will obey the Lord no matter what!
Re: I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer
Posted: October 7th, 2014, 3:51 pm
by Latter-day Patriot
Jared E wrote:Hi Catherine, I wouldn't go that far, to label anyone jealous, but what befuddles me is how opposed people are to a very simple two-fold message:
(1) if you have procrastinated the day of your spiritual and temporal preparation, repent and do it now; and
(2) follow the prophet.
That's it. That's what people are very vocally and publicly criticizing.
Sister Rowe, they laughed at Lehi also.
I couldn't agree more with your sentiment. Sister Rowe's book is what prompted me to obtain a one-year supply of food storage for my wife and myself and to make the decision now to follow the prophet, no matter the cost, so that there is no hesitation down the road. No harm done. There wasn't anything in "A Greater Tomorrow" which made either of us feel uneasy or unsure. We have peace of mind knowing that we are following the promptings we have received and continue to receive to prepare ourselves both temporally and spiritually, as well as the fact that we are fulfilling divine counsel to have our food storage in order. In such circumstances, I feel it matters not where the inspiration to do good comes from, so long as it is heeded and the purpose fulfilled. Matthew 7:18 states: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
Just as there are many things in the scriptures and the words of the prophets worth seeking after, there are also many things in Sister Rowe's message which contain truth and wisdom.
We seek for truth wherever we may find it. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that “Mormonism is truth. … The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or … being … prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men.”
So we continually seek truth from all good books and other wholesome sources. “If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.” In this manner we can resist the deceit of the evil one. In this manner we learn the truth “precept upon precept; line upon line.” And we will learn that intelligence cleaves unto intelligence, and wisdom receives wisdom, and truth embraces truth.
We have shared the book with others on both sides of our family and they have shared it with their friends who have all embraced the message. These are good people who have taken the Holy Ghost as their guide. I cannot believe that the Lord would allow them to be led astray. I do believe the Lord would turn them away from that which is corrupt, but so far, for them he has done no such thing with regard to Sister Rowe's message as far as I can tell.