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I've bought her book and tried reading it 4 times but I just can't feel the spirit when I read it.

Perhaps, though, this just means I'm a goner (dead man walking!) and needn't concern myself unduly.

I did enjoy VOG though and it inspired me to prepare more fully.

Cheers.

leth wrote:I've bought her book and tried reading it 4 times but I just can't feel the spirit when I read it.

Perhaps, though, this just means I'm a goner (dead man walking!) and needn't concern myself unduly.

I did enjoy VOG though and it inspired me to prepare more fully.

Cheers.

Amazing how people all have different experiences... I wonder though how many people read her book and VOG over and over, and yet never pick up their scriptures or the ensign... nothing Julie is saying hasn't already been said, but I guess if people start actually listening to the prophets council then I guess it's okay... just as long as it's the prophets council and not some other light... or the holy spirit's guidance...

wompus wrote:Amazing how people all have different experiences... I wonder though how many people read her book and VOG over and over, and yet never pick up their scriptures or the ensign... nothing Julie is saying hasn't already been said, but I guess if people start actually listening to the prophets council then I guess it's okay... just as long as it's the prophets council and not some other light... or the holy spirit's guidance...

What's funny is I went from her book to VOG and then to The Millennial Messiah by McConkie. I read the scriptures *almost* every day and find it refreshing that modern day revelation happens. I also find PM's September message re: prepation a rather well timed gift, given that things seem to be heating up everywhere, drawing us closer to the time when these preparations will be needed.

I'm hoping folks don't just go out of their way to shoot the messenger, like they usually do. "All is well in Zion!"

good morning all!

Been listening to the radio interviews again. I've spread the word to others as well, and they have listened and are beginning their preparations in earnest too as they heed the Spirit and balance their promptings with Sis. Rowe's message. It's been pretty amazing.

One twist in my preparations is that I am praying with the Lord to bless our efforts and help us as we consecrate our food storage for future use by all. I don't think food storage is meant exclusively for my family. I believe what we are taught in the D&C, that all things will be had in common among the saints who are gathered together, not unlike the Nephites who gathered together in 3 Nephi with the onset of the Gadiantions, just prior to the coming of Christ.

At any rate, as we have taken this route, I believe our efforts have been blessed even more and we are finding ways to amplify our preparations. Has anyone else had any similar experiences?

A few years ago I started my food storage again in earnest. Each month I would buy things for my storage. I was progressing well, but still had a ways to go. One night the door bell rang. I went to answer the door, and there were several boxes and sacks of food, and an envelope with $100 in. This added greatly to my storage. I didn't know who did it, and no one would own up to it. About a year later, my home teacher let it slip that it was the High Priest Quorum.

believer wrote:A few years ago I started my food storage again in earnest. Each month I would buy things for my storage. I was progressing well, but still had a ways to go. One night the door bell rang. I went to answer the door, and there were several boxes and sacks of food, and an envelope with $100 in. This added greatly to my storage. I didn't know who did it, and no one would own up to it. About a year later, my home teacher let it slip that it was the High Priest Quorum.

Dang, I must be in the wrong ward....

What's interesting to me is I thought I had a lot more than I did. Then I did an inventory and discovered how far I have to go. I asked my brother the other day whether he had any food storage or 72 hour kits and he said "Oh, we have the components for it but haven't put it all together". I didn't feel like pursuing it, but I imagine he's in much the same place I was before I started keeping track and diligently trying to keep that word of counsel.

I think if I keep up the push and find more ways to sacrifice in order to be obedient, more miracles will happen along the way. At least that's what I'm hoping.

Thank you to all those who have posted on this thread, and thank you to the individual who started it.

I find it very interesting that there are soooo many who have read and posted on the "skeptic" thread and not nearly as many on here.

I appreciate your positive feedback and your sincere messages.

Hello, is this thing working, i hope it's ok go me to be here as I'm becoming more of a julie rowe skepic. As I research more on this matter of her nde I am truly sorry but it looks more of a lie, not entirely sure but still researching as I feel I must. Now lie is a harsh word and I apologize if I step on toes , apology accepted . I know truth can be mingled with lies, julie is prophesying and I know in the latter days people will prophesy but I think there is more to it than meets the eye. I think julie is possibly being misled, now to me a person is judged by how they are now, not the past, not by there temple recommend, not by there words however pleasing they are. I think you need to know them , you know, inside out. It takes time unless the spirit of God reveals them to you. Not saying I'm anybody but this julie thing has got my attention but not to the extreme. I think her words and social doings are causing some panic, fear, economic hardships, even the worshipping of julie rowe. And to be fair if julie is for real then some might have reason to fear. And it's not her fault if people do what they do. I'm waiting for the official word and truly I know it will come. I may not be a smart man but I know my Lord and I am doing what I believe is the way in this matter I have been guided, I hope. I still want to know how I can verify her claim as to the church is buying tents for the refuge that is coming. I have contacted thru our LDS web site and they knew nothing of the tents but they were more of just as far as they know. So I search on. Sometime being a prophet is a office, no? You probably can prophesy for what you have authority to prophesy and only that!

jkrowe wrote:Thank you to all those who have posted on this thread, and thank you to the individual who started it.

I find it very interesting that there are soooo many who have read and posted on the "skeptic" thread and not nearly as many on here.

I appreciate your positive feedback and your sincere messages.

Julie. I can't speak for everybody, but I think a lot of us (myself included) have posted on the "skeptic" thread to defend you and your message. On the believer thread we'd be preaching to the choir I guess you could say!

Bananikka wrote:

jkrowe wrote:Thank you to all those who have posted on this thread, and thank you to the individual who started it.

I find it very interesting that there are soooo many who have read and posted on the "skeptic" thread and not nearly as many on here.

I appreciate your positive feedback and your sincere messages.

Julie. I can't speak for everybody, but I think a lot of us (myself included) have posted on the "skeptic" thread to defend you and your message. On the believer thread we'd be preaching to the choir I guess you could say!

I'd be ok if the choir got a bit louder, personally. So many folks want to cover their ears and cry "All is well in Zion". For those of us who have felt the spirit of urgency to prepare, to learn, to be pure enough to gather as saints, Julie's message is helpful in understanding, at least in part, why we have felt those promptings. I consider myself fortunate to have been following these promptings, but I know it's a hard message for some to hear.

Maudieb wrote:Hello, is this thing working, i hope it's ok go me to be here as I'm becoming more of a julie rowe skepic. As I research more on this matter of her nde I am truly sorry but it looks more of a lie, not entirely sure but still researching as I feel I must. Now lie is a harsh word and I apologize if I step on toes , apology accepted . I know truth can be mingled with lies, julie is prophesying and I know in the latter days people will prophesy but I think there is more to it than meets the eye. I think julie is possibly being misled, now to me a person is judged by how they are now, not the past, not by there temple recommend, not by there words however pleasing they are. I think you need to know them , you know, inside out. It takes time unless the spirit of God reveals them to you. Not saying I'm anybody but this julie thing has got my attention but not to the extreme. I think her words and social doings are causing some panic, fear, economic hardships, even the worshipping of julie rowe. And to be fair if julie is for real then some might have reason to fear. And it's not her fault if people do what they do. I'm waiting for the official word and truly I know it will come. I may not be a smart man but I know my Lord and I am doing what I believe is the way in this matter I have been guided, I hope. I still want to know how I can verify her claim as to the church is buying tents for the refuge that is coming. I have contacted thru our LDS web site and they knew nothing of the tents but they were more of just as far as they know. So I search on. Sometime being a prophet is a office, no? You probably can prophesy for what you have authority to prophesy and only that!

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest you haven't understood the message all that well. She's never claimed to be a prophet or speak for the church, nor is her message of panic or fear. My friend, you haven't studied it out yet.

Interesting you would post right after her, though, as if you needed to jump right on an opportunity to confront her or something. Perhaps you have other motives than truth? Please, go study and pray.

jkrowe wrote:Thank you to all those who have posted on this thread, and thank you to the individual who started it.

I find it very interesting that there are soooo many who have read and posted on the "skeptic" thread and not nearly as many on here.

I appreciate your positive feedback and your sincere messages.

Ha ha... not laughing at you... laughing at your post....but yes... it's interesting that the other thread has more post... don't take it personal...

I think that it's human nature to question such miraculous visions one has... Look at Joseph Smith.... very few (then and now) took him seriously.

I myself, to be honest, am skeptical, but willing to listen, and learn, and feel out for the Holy Ghost in trying to discern the truthfulness of all things... In fact, just this morning I was in the temple in the Celestial room praying about things that are to shortly come to pass and I couldn't really discern anything that the Lord is trying to tell me... very frustrating! So for someone who claims to receive info from the other side of the veil so easily... it's hard to take.

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The first 9 1/2 pages of the Sceptic thread were posted before this thread was started. So really, it's been quite even since then, about two pages on each thread starting from the time this thread began.

For the skeptics out there, I'd recommend you read the books of Helaman and 3 Nephi. For example, Hel. 11:23 states many of the believers, aside from the prophets Nephi and Lehi, had revelations and preached unto the people. In the very next chapter, you have exactly that: Samuel the Lamanite. He wasn't the prophet, but he was moved upon to preach and admonish the people. Sis. Rowe never said she was a prophet, only that she had an experience that she was inspired to tell. Don't believe it? Ok, that's up to you and your prayerful consideration of the message.

However, if you ignored her completely and just did as the Brethren have instructed us to do (and nothing more), you'd end up doing the exact same thing. How again is that the same thing as being a bad member of the church?

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EdGoble wrote: The problem with believers in Julie Rowe or any other claimant is, they take people away from what they have covenanted to do. They give them fools gold. Correlated Mormonism is great at teaching people how to believe. Unfortunately, it seems that some people have not been trained in critical thinking and skepticism to be able to keep themselves from deception, because they believe anything. To the believers, I would recommend that you think very deeply about the fact that true worthiness requires not just that you believe, but that you are not deceived, and that you are believing in the right things that have an effect on your loyalties. The kind of deception I am talking about is what leads you to be disloyal. It isn't a question of doctrines about this or that that you believe. It is a question of who you put your confidence in... who you are loyal to. Julie Rowe is asking for your loyalty to her claim of her mission. That is a big problem. That is about loyalty. When the prophet says he will not lead you astray, that is about the fact that he will never lead you to put your loyalty in the wrong things and the wrong people. Julie Rowe and others like her are asking you to put your loyalty where it does not belong. That is the problem. That is a problem of disloyalty. And that is what it means to be led astray.

Hi Ed,
I'm getting a bit of a contentious vibe from ya, there, buddy. Perhaps you can tone it down a notch? I would assert that you haven't done your research as Sis. Rowe doesn't ask for loyalty, doesn't demand you do anything, doesn't contradict the prophets or the scriptures. I don't base my faith on her, wouldn't follow her instead of the brethren, and wouldn't put her words over the whisperings of the Spirit. Where is my loyalty? Towards Christ and His church. Where does her message point me? The same. If you do not understand that, you have not understood her message. I would also add that your angry tone and attacking attitude do more to harm your argument than aid it. You cannot hear the Spirit in an emotional state like that. Calm down, distance yourself a bit, study it out, then pray.

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EdGoble wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote: Hi Ed,
I'm getting a bit of a contentious vibe from ya, there, buddy. Perhaps you can tone it down a notch? I would assert that you haven't done your research as Sis. Rowe doesn't ask for loyalty, doesn't demand you do anything, doesn't contradict the prophets or the scriptures. I don't base my faith on her, wouldn't follow her instead of the brethren, and wouldn't put her words over the whisperings of the Spirit. Where is my loyalty? Towards Christ and His church. Where does her message point me? The same. If you do not understand that, you have not understood her message. I would also add that your angry tone and attacking attitude do more to harm your argument than aid it. You cannot hear the Spirit in an emotional state like that. Calm down, distance yourself a bit, study it out, then pray.

Oh, I am in perfect understanding of her and everyone like her. Don't presume to lecture me my friend. I am in perfect clarity of the situation at hand.

Ed, as I said before, the more you speak, the more you reveal yourself. Calm down. Seek peace. Pray. Walk away for a while. You're not doing your side any favors by getting hot under the collar.

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EdGoble wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote: Ed, as I said before, the more you speak, the more you reveal yourself. Calm down. Seek peace. Pray. Walk away for a while. You're not doing your side any favors by getting hot under the collar.

It is interesting that you are attributing anger to me. I am not in the least bit angry at this moment. You are not a psychologist or brain surgeon by reading my words. I am talking seriously, not in anger. You project my past in various other threads to my present state, which is not a good assumption.

Your words are accusatory, combative and spiteful with a hint a venom and derision. If that's not angry, it's at least unpleasant and not in the spirit of loving reproof, if that's your intent.

BTW, yes, I'm a psychologist. Thanks for asking.

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EdGoble wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote: Your words are accusatory, combative and spiteful with a hint a venom and derision. If that's not angry, it's at least unpleasant and not in the spirit of loving reproof, if that's your intent.

BTW, yes, I'm a psychologist. Thanks for asking.

Gimme a break. I don't have to be perfect to be a skeptic of Julie Rowe and to warn people about her claim.

I've been trying to give you a break, but you're not listening very well.

iWriteStuff wrote:

EdGoble wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote: Your words are accusatory, combative and spiteful with a hint a venom and derision. If that's not angry, it's at least unpleasant and not in the spirit of loving reproof, if that's your intent.

BTW, yes, I'm a psychologist. Thanks for asking.

Gimme a break. I don't have to be perfect to be a skeptic of Julie Rowe and to warn people about her claim.

I've been trying to give you a break, but you're not listening very well.

No, you have been trying to psycho-analyze me when this isn't about me.

Hello everyone. I'm new here. I'm loving the conversation so far. I can tell you my experience with Julie is that she is a sweet, humble, young mother and wife and valiant in the gospel. She is not trying to cash in on anything or bring undo attention to herself. I will say that I was disappointed in her book because of the editorial weakness and the presentation of the information. However, I do believe she had the experience.

I have collected over 800 NDE's, visions, dreams, and they all start to have patterns. I look for the patterns. It helps to confirm where the truth is. There is a website http://www.nofearpreps.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that has a lot of those dreams posted. I think her book is on that website too.

I say we let people decide for themselves. I don't know very many members who do not rely on personal revelation to confirm truth to them. What's the worst thing that can happen by reading A Greater Tomorrow? You buy too much food storage? I personally believe that no matter how much food storage you have, it will not be enough for a 7 year tribulation and all the family members you will need to survive this will be hungry.