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Roland deschain wrote:I am new here. This is my first post.

I read Julie's book this summer while serving as a priesthood brother at our wards girls camp. My bishop showed up on friday and he and I were discussing the importance of having a good tent, which led to him and his wife, checking out my tent as an example. After coming out of my tent he asked me how I liked the book. (He saw Julie's book on my sleeping bag). I told him it was pretty good and we discussed what I had read to that point. He had read it earlier that month.

He told me that the author had been on the radio that week. I was interested to hear it so when I returned home after camp, I looked up the archives and listened to her second interview. I listened to it two times in a row that day, and I can testify that the Holy Ghost testified to me, over and over, both times that I listened to it, that what she was saying is true and the things she saw and witnessed and shared are true.

After so many witnesses I cannot deny what I felt. Truly the Lord loves us, and we are blessed to have valient and obedient brothers and sisters to help His work in what ever way He see fit.

Awesome story! Thanks for sharing. My wife listened to the radio interview first and was touched enough to then blitz through the book in an afternoon, which is tough when raising twin girls. Those with ears to hear certainly will, if given the chance. I've certainly seen that in my own experience.

cojMomto5 wrote:I went to Julie's Chicago meeting. Her message is a message of preparation and hope. She stressed over and over again how we need to learn to discern the Spirit's voice. She also talked about how her message was not critical to being prepared. Those who believe her or read her book will not have any advantages over those who don't when tribulations come. The key is listening to the Lords will for us. She is simply adding her voice of warning to all those we already have.

A few other of my notes:
Learn to discern spirits and discern The Spirit.
Practice listening to The Spirit, if it is good, do it. Pay attention to how you feel. The Spirit will train you to bring your will to the Lord's will. More you listen and obey, the more the Lord can speak to you and use you to do His will.
Holy Ghost is the revelator, not dreams or visions. There are no shortcuts, go to the Lord with your questions.
Trust the Lord, he will not give us knowledge we are not prepared for.
Study the scriptures and what the prophets have told us, especially listen to the upcoming general conference. Pray to hear the message He has for you.
Fear is a tool of Satan. Lord works through charity (patience, love, long suffering)
Pray to heavenly father in the name of Jesus Christ for angels to protect you
Opposition is how we grow.
There is power/protection even in our thoughts. Visualize actually putting on the armor of God each morning.
We will see much evil and many trials, even those who gather, but the Lord will match it and surpass it with the Love and miracles he gives (suggested watching 17 miracles for an idea of what we will see)

I admit to hoping that she would tell us something about what she saw in relation to the Chicago area, but she did not feel that was necessary/appropriate. She also didn't have any advice for when things would go bad, just to prepare now. A few questions were asked regarding the "call out". She just said that what she saw was the call to gather would happen through the priesthood organization that is already in place.

Hope that is helpful to some of you. I understand being skeptical, I am naturally as well. I think that it is wise to be cautious. My own skepticism of her has greatly diminished. She shows nothing other than a desire to serve the Lord and share a message of inviting others to follow the Lord as well.

It was very interesting to me that the Women's Session of GC on Saturday emphasized spiritual preparedness. Sister Burton of the RS Presidency began her talk with a statement that preparation is critical, and now is the time to get prepared. The talks all then went on to talk about the need to make sure we are listening to the Spirit, preparing and worthy for temple ordinances and keeping our covenants as protection in the coming times. No one said that the SHTF is coming right away, but it was certainly (from my hearing anyway) implied. I felt a very strong spirit of warning during that meeting, at least from the sisters who spoke. Elder Uchtdorf's talk was great, and uplifting, and I felt the Spirit, but it didn't have the urgency of the other talks. I left thinking that this meeting had issued, in its way, a "call-out" to us. Isaiah's prophecy in Chapter 4:5-6 seems to suggest that the safety we seek by preparing is to be found in the Lord's "cloud and smoke" and "flaming fire" in our homes, our wards/stakes, and the temples.

Desert Roses wrote:It was very interesting to me that the Women's Session of GC on Saturday emphasized spiritual preparedness. Sister Burton of the RS Presidency began her talk with a statement that preparation is critical, and now is the time to get prepared. The talks all then went on to talk about the need to make sure we are listening to the Spirit, preparing and worthy for temple ordinances and keeping our covenants as protection in the coming times. No one said that the SHTF is coming right away, but it was certainly (from my hearing anyway) implied. I felt a very strong spirit of warning during that meeting, at least from the sisters who spoke. Elder Uchtdorf's talk was great, and uplifting, and I felt the Spirit, but it didn't have the urgency of the other talks. I left thinking that this meeting had issued, in its way, a "call-out" to us. Isaiah's prophecy in Chapter 4:5-6 seems to suggest that the safety we seek by preparing is to be found in the Lord's "cloud and smoke" and "flaming fire" in our homes, our wards/stakes, and the temples.

My wife and I commented on that as well. However, she tells me not many women will pick up on the "get prepared" theme in terms of literal preparedness as well as spiritual preparedness. She thinks most will interpret it as "Oh make sure you have the Spirit in your home so you can prepare yourselves to go to the temple". That's a great message too, but I almost feel as though it doesn't go far enough. ;)

Those with ears to hear, indeed...

If anybody wants more Julie Rowe info, pm me your e-mail address and I'll send you some chapters from her book and notes from her Arizona fireside from August! Don't forget your e-mail address!

Lehibeliever wrote:If anybody wants more Julie Rowe info, pm me your e-mail address and I'll send you some chapters from her book and notes from her Arizona fireside from August! Don't forget your e-mail address!

Hi,

It's my understanding that at her lectures, she asks to not be recorded. Sharing notes seems kind of similar. Did she say anything to your audience regarding this? If it's okay with her, I'd love to see the notes. I'm sure they're substantially similar to her book and radio interviews, without secret "insider" info, but still a nice read nonetheless. If it's okay with her.

I really don't mind at all if people share notes from meetings, just as long as people realize that what is being shared may or may not be exactly what I really said.

I am happy to hear there are those who are willing to share and there are those who want to hear. That is good news to me.

The only reason I have not allowed any recordings of my speaking engagements to date is because that is what the spirit has directed me to do up to this point in time. So I am following that counsel. Who knows, maybe sometime in the future that will change and we will have an event recorded, but in the meantime, please feel free to share what you feel inspired to share. In no way would I ever ask any one not to share their thoughts and impressions of what has been written or spoken. The more we can help each other out in spreading the word and preparing for the days ahead, the better off we will all be.

In fact, if those who have attended events feel comfortable and impressed to do so, please feel free to share what you would like to openly.

Again, for those reading, please just realize and understand that context can be everything and sometimes people hear things one way and perhaps that message was meant for them. Also - I have already had people contacting me asking questions about things they think I have said, when in fact I said no such thing.

So take it for what it's worth and do what you feel is best.

Thank you for your kindness and your respectfulness.

I am grateful.

Julie

jkrowe wrote:
The only reason I have not allowed any recordings of my speaking engagements to date is because that is what the spirit has directed me to do up to this point in time. So I am following that counsel.

I don't believe this.
Probably more to do with book sales.

Robin Hood wrote:

jkrowe wrote:
The only reason I have not allowed any recordings of my speaking engagements to date is because that is what the spirit has directed me to do up to this point in time. So I am following that counsel.

I don't believe this.
Probably more to do with book sales.

That's fine, nobody told you to believe it. You don't have to buy a book either. I do find it interesting that you feel it necessary to resort to rudeness and accusations, though. Obviously the message was not intended for you, nor you for it. Appreciate the interest, though.

Stay strong, Sir Locksley.

iWriteStuff wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:

jkrowe wrote:
The only reason I have not allowed any recordings of my speaking engagements to date is because that is what the spirit has directed me to do up to this point in time. So I am following that counsel.

I don't believe this.
Probably more to do with book sales.

That's fine, nobody told you to believe it. You don't have to buy a book either. I do find it interesting that you feel it necessary to resort to rudeness and accusations, though. Obviously the message was not intended for you, nor you for it. Appreciate the interest, though.

Stay strong, Sir Locksley.

My comment probably did come over as a bit rude. It wasn't supposed to so I apologise.

All good, Mr. Hood!

I stumbled on this site by accident last night. I couldn't remember Julie's website so I googled her =)
Julie is such an amazing person. I feel privileged to have been able to attend 2 of her "firesides" Kaysville and Logan. I was grateful for her to talk with me personally on a few occasions.
For those of you that are not able to attend the fireside, most of what she says is in the radio interviews. She may share a few new things, but it really is about the same. (well at least the 2 that I went to were very very similar) It's always nice to see someone's face while they are speaking and to feel the spirit in the room.

Julie - I am excited about your new book. I am sure that all of my answers won't be answered :p It would be nice just to have my life book given to me before. Aw if I only had my life book back in my teenage years. ;)

Cathy

Robin Hood wrote: I don't believe this.
Probably more to do with book sales.

Robin, I would send you a copy free of charge, but I take it that you would rather she not have one more sale. Tell you what. Email me a mailing address, and I will send you a photocopy of mine, my treat.

Jared

JaredE wrote:

Robin Hood wrote: I don't believe this.
Probably more to do with book sales.

Robin, I would send you a copy free of charge, but I take it that you would rather she not have one more sale. Tell you what. Email me a mailing address, and I will send you a photocopy of mine, my treat.

Jared

Thanks Jared.
However, I ordered one a couple of weeks ago. It's coming surface mail from the US so will take a while to get here.

Robin Hood wrote:

JaredE wrote:

Robin Hood wrote: I don't believe this.
Probably more to do with book sales.

Robin, I would send you a copy free of charge, but I take it that you would rather she not have one more sale. Tell you what. Email me a mailing address, and I will send you a photocopy of mine, my treat.

Jared

Thanks Jared.
However, I ordered one a couple of weeks ago. It's coming surface mail from the US so will take a while to get here.

Looking forward to your review, Robin.

Dumb question: do they have Amazon over there in the UK? Some means by which you could digitally download it? I imagine you're like me in that you prefer a physical copy in your hands, but even still I'm curious how things work outside of the U.S.

iWriteStuff wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:

JaredE wrote:

Robin, I would send you a copy free of charge, but I take it that you would rather she not have one more sale. Tell you what. Email me a mailing address, and I will send you a photocopy of mine, my treat.

Jared

Thanks Jared.
However, I ordered one a couple of weeks ago. It's coming surface mail from the US so will take a while to get here.

Looking forward to your review, Robin.

Dumb question: do they have Amazon over there in the UK? Some means by which you could digitally download it? I imagine you're like me in that you prefer a physical copy in your hands, but even still I'm curious how things work outside of the U.S.

Yeah, we've got electricity, running water, cars, chocolate .... you name it! ;)

I ordered through Amazon but it's only available via Kindle here. I like real books so I ordered it from the US. I didn't want to pay too much for shipping so I just went for the cheapest option, hence the wait.

Robin Hood wrote:Yeah, we've got electricity, running water, cars, chocolate .... you name it! ;)

I ordered through Amazon but it's only available via Kindle here. I like real books so I ordered it from the US. I didn't want to pay too much for shipping so I just went for the cheapest option, hence the wait.

Electricity! No kidding! :p jk, I know you guys are just as advanced (if not more so) as your American cousins, just wondering whether you had a preference for printed paper. I do as well. If you can't hold it in your hands, it's not really yours, IMO.

btw you guys have some of the best chocolate. Ours is ruined by the inclusion of FDA approved edible wax. Blech. :ymsick:

iWriteStuff wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:Yeah, we've got electricity, running water, cars, chocolate .... you name it! ;)

I ordered through Amazon but it's only available via Kindle here. I like real books so I ordered it from the US. I didn't want to pay too much for shipping so I just went for the cheapest option, hence the wait.

Electricity! No kidding! :p jk, I know you guys are just as advanced (if not more so) as your American cousins, just wondering whether you had a preference for printed paper. I do as well. If you can't hold it in your hands, it's not really yours, IMO.

btw you guys have some of the best chocolate. Ours is ruined by the inclusion of FDA approved edible wax. Blech. :ymsick:

I'd heard (usually from missionaries) that your chocolate was poor. However, when I was in the US 8 years ago I thought it was ok. Nothing I tried was as bad as they said it was.
Have to say, chocolate aside, you have a nice country there.

The book arrived and I have read it.
Now granted, it has to be said that I approached it with a skeptical mindset ("prove all things"). I suspected that it was made up (possibly with good intentions) and that it was likely to contain many flaws.
I was not disappointed.
In fact I would go as far as to say I was genuinely stunned at just how poor the book was. Seriously.
The way many on this forum had praised it I was prepared for an interesting experience, but it was just one howler after another.
I started taking notes but gave up very early on because it became apparent it just wasn't worth the effort.

ok, not for you. Thanks for the feedback and the honest attempt!

I have to say that the one thing that bothers me is the "emotion code" and energy healing stuff. I always get a funny feeling when I read about it.

kathyn wrote:I have to say that the one thing that bothers me is the "emotion code" and energy healing stuff. I always get a funny feeling when I read about it.

That is a HUGE red flag. That alone disqualifies anything she has to say IMO. EC appears to be a new age (aka satanic) conterfeit to Priesthood healing. A poster on another site detailed what happend to his sister after she go into it--very bad, very dark.

One of the BIG problems I had with her book was that the future events were almost an identical copy of what Sara Menet had already said. SM was proven a false prophet years ago when her timeline came and went...In fact one paragraph from RJ's book was almost word for word form a paragraph in SM's book. Holy plagiarism Batman!

There are two things that she advocates that I think are a great message for all at this time:
1. Fine tune the connection with the Holy Spirit.
2. The time to prepare is NOW. We really are running out of time.

Hopefully, we will all be successful with these two.

I am just a lurker here, and I have no idea whether her experience is real or not. She seems sincere, but someone posted a link where you can read a chapter or two, and there was something that she said in the chapter that seemed odd to me. She said that she and her distant relative "John" had gone to a beautiful lake. At the lake, they sat down on a log to talk. A log is a dead tree. Would there be dead trees in heaven? It just didn't sound right to me, although I did enjoy listening to her on the radio show. Again, she seems sincere.

My experience was real. It was a very personal and sacred experience and not an easy thing for me to share with others, let alone the world to scrutinize, mock, discredit or otherwise spread negativity and outright rude and insensitive remarks, false accusations, and flat out unkind things said to me or about me.

Emotion Code is not evil. Far from it. If you care to learn more you can actually go to Dr. Nelson's website. He is a good, active member of the church and I know him personally. I have already finished this second and final book and in it I have written an appendix on the Emotion Code and how I learned of it and about it. Although I am an Emotion Code Pracitioner, I do not actively work as one and have not charged people. I have provided it as service to those in need.

We are all on our own life's journey and I don't expect anyone to just automatically believe me and my story. To each his own. I do however, expect more decency out of people that what has been shown by some on this forum. I wonder - if we were to meet in person - would you treat me so rudely - so insensitively - and so outright mean? Maybe so, and if so, well - then - that speaks volumes.

Who are you to judge and falsely accuse so harshly and so blatantly? I ask this of anyone who on this thread or any other who has done this to me. Enough already.

I came across another site where people have outright started lies about me saying that they had "learned I was not active in the church when I had my NDE." Nothing could be farther from the truth. I was in my ward Relief Society Presidency at the time, in good standing, and regularly attending the temple at least once a month even though the temple was a four hour drive each direction.

Each of my bishops and stake Presidents know me well, know my story and have read my book. They all believe me and know I speak the truth. Some of them were there in the hospital with me and shortly after, and I spent many years counseling with them because of what I had experienced.

For those who have never had severe health issues, and particularly been close to death or had an NDE - may I be so blunt as to say you have no idea what it is like to go through something like this. It has been an extremely long and painful experience and although I am grateful for the knowledge gained, I would not wish it upon my worst enemy. The physical, emotional, and mental pain alone have been unspeakable.

I have nothing to prove to anyone. I just can't get over why some people take such issue with what I have chosen to share. It is my personal experience and if you choose not to believe it - so be it. Then go on your merry way and leave me and the whole message alone. Why must you go to such great effort to try to tear me down, discredit me and my story, and seek to bring others with you ???? What is your purpose?

Truthfully all the opposition just gives me more and more clarity on the importance of the message and gives me greater courage to speak my truth. Perhaps I should actually be thanking you for being so cruel and hurtful. You are fueling my fire and helping me come to an even greater understanding of the importance of completing part of my earthly mission.

People have a lot of nerve and it is really really starting to get on my nerves.

I am not naive to the situation. I know full well what I agreed to do when I took on this assignment. I have been well prepared. Having said that, it does not change the fact that what people say does have an impact.

Once again I will state this as a matter of fact and not just my opinion...I do not say this to boast in any way at all...I say this in all sincerity and with all of the energy of my soul: We all need to be very careful about what we say and what we write. It truly is recorded in the Heavens and there are many witnesses. Our thoughts, words and actions have a rippling effect.

My message is to serve as a voice of hope and warning. I am to testify and witness of the truths I know. It is that simple.

I testify to you and any who read my words ----I speak the truth. The day will come when you will know without a doubt that the words I have written, the words I have spoken - are true. You and each us will be held accountable for our thoughts, words, and actions including the way you have treated me regarding all of this and what has been done personally and collectively to prepare as we have been warned repeatedly.

I know what I know and no matter what anyone says or does that will not change what I know.

My hope is that I can be of service and help to any and all who can benefit from the message. I am not here to please anyone other than the Lord. I answer to Him.

I suggest that before you throw out any more harsh judgements etc., that you take a good look in the mirror and an honest look at your own heart. In my experience, there are usually some very specific reasons people react negatively to certain messages of truth.

1) they are past feeling
2) they are afraid
3) they are angry about something
4) they are prideful
5) they are unhappy with themselves
6) they have other unresolved issues they are dealing with
7) they are struggling with something they need to work on or repent of
8) they have a hard heart/they are hurting

the list could go on....but I think you get the point.

I am speaking from personal experience - I am not judging here. I am sharing what I have learned from my own personal trials in life.

Please ...please...please. Just quit putting me down, criticizing, saying mean and hurtful and vindictive negative things about me.

How about putting all of that time and energy into spreading your own message of light and hope about something rather than wasting it on opposing my message?

Sister Rowe, it's the nature of going public, especially in the internet age. A percentage of people are just going to hate you.

And when you do go public people certainly have a right to disagree as well as agree, it's one of the consequences of going public.