I've turned into a Julie Rowe believer

[EdGoble]

Proverbs 15: - A soft answer turneth away wrath; But a grievous word stirreth up anger.

All I'm suggesting is you try the former, not the latter.

I don't need you to lecture me about weaknesses. I already know about my weaknesses.

[Jared E]

Ok fair enough. If you are not the same Ed Goble who vehemently attacked Spencer and Julie on an "LDS Last Days Prophecy Discussion" message board on August 12, earning a ban from the moderator that day for violating several terms and conditions, after leaving the post "you people really don't know who I am, do you," and attaching this link: http://www.amazon.com/The-Nail-Heaven-C ... 456508229/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; , all while using the name "Ed Goble," then I apologize. I suppose it was the other Ed Goble, who had a vitriolic, "DO NOT LISTEN TO JULIE OR SPENCER," while attaching the same link that you provided here, of the former home teaching companion who was later excommunicated and arrested. I apologize for confusing you with him.

[EdGoble]

Ok fair enough. If you are not the same Ed Goble who vehemently attacked Spencer and Julie on an "LDS Last Days Prophecy Discussion" message board on August 12, earning a ban from the moderator that day for violating several terms and conditions, after leaving the post "you people really don't know who I am, do you," and attaching this link: http://www.amazon.com/The-Nail-Heaven-C ... 456508229/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; , all while using the name "Ed Goble," then I apologize. I suppose it was the other Ed Goble, who had a vitriolic, "DO NOT LISTEN TO JULIE OR SPENCER," while attaching the same link that you provided here, of the former home teaching companion who was later excommunicated and arrested. I apologize for confusing you with him.

You are talking about the facebook group I left of my own accord, and never claimed anything like you are saying, except yes, I am critical of Spencer and Julie Rowe. I never said I had scientific papers, and never said that I was a high priest. So no, you are wrong about that.

[Jared E]

Oh wait. Excuse me but I remember now. You are talking about the FACEBOOK GROUP that I LEFT of MY OWN ACCORD. And NO, I am NOT a high priest. and NO, I have no scientific papers. And YES, I VEHEMENTLY ATTACKED THEM, as their work DESERVES. AND IF YOU WISH TO CALL IT VITRIOL. GO RIGHT AHEAD. YES THAT IS ME. BUT NO, I AM NOT SOME SCIENTIST.

Thank you for clarifying. Now, if I provide a screen print of the post where you said, "it's obvious that I'm the only high priest here," will it help you have a similar, sudden recollection of why you wrote that, if it's not a true statement? If it helps, the context of that discussion was why you knew authoritatively better than the rest of us that Julie and Spencer are false.

[iWriteStuff]

Ok fair enough. If you are not the same Ed Goble who vehemently attacked Spencer and Julie on an "LDS Last Days Prophecy Discussion" message board on August 12, earning a ban from the moderator that day for violating several terms and conditions, after leaving the post "you people really don't know who I am, do you," and attaching this link: http://www.amazon.com/The-Nail-Heaven-C ... 456508229/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; , all while using the name "Ed Goble," then I apologize. I suppose it was the other Ed Goble, who had a vitriolic, "DO NOT LISTEN TO JULIE OR SPENCER," while attaching the same link that you provided here, of the former home teaching companion who was later excommunicated and arrested. I apologize for confusing you with him.

Oh wait. Excuse me but I remember now. You are talking about the FACEBOOK GROUP that I LEFT of MY OWN ACCORD. And NO, I am NOT a high priest. and NO, I have no scientific papers. And YES, I VEHEMENTLY ATTACKED THEM, as their work DESERVES. AND IF YOU WISH TO CALL IT VITRIOL. GO RIGHT AHEAD. YES THAT IS ME. BUT NO, I AM NOT SOME SCIENTIST. I am an independent author. AND I ATTACKED THE THEIR MATERIAL because I have an OPINION, that is DIFFERENT, that DESERVES TO BE HEARD AS MUCH AS THEIRS. AND THE OUTCOME IS THE SAME HERE, BECAUSE THE ATTACKING OF ME THAT HAPPENED THERE, IS HAPPENING WITH THE SAME EXACT OUTCOME HERE. PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT ARE ATTACKING ME, FOR BEING CRITICAL OF SOMETHING THAT THEY PUT OUT THAT YOU THINK IS BEYOND CRITICISM.

From the Forum Guidelines, Rule #1:

Some guidelines regarding how not to be the one we exile from the forum:

#1, the most important:
Be kind. No personal attacks. There is no reason to attack each other for differing beliefs, label others apostate, call to repentance, etc.

So maybe tone it down a notch?

[EdGoble]

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[jkrowe]

Ed -

I speak the truth. It is real. I do not seek to deceive anyone.I want no following and I seek no following. I support and sustain President Monsen, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve.

I know what I know and I cannot deny it. No matter what you or anyone else says or does against me that will not change what I do or say because I Know.

I truly hope that you will be able to find a greater measure of peace and that what ever pain you still hold due to the extremely difficult experiences you have gone through will be healed.

I am not here to convince anyone of anything. The Holy Ghost is the true messenger. I do hear what you are saying when you say you were deceived by a "false Holy Ghost." Satan and those who work with him are very very cunning, very very tricky and are master manipulators. They can and do imitate everything that is of the Lord...but that does not mean that there is not a real Holy Ghost. There are ways to learn how to discern the difference, and often the ways we learn these things are through sad experience. Perhaps, just perhaps, you have and are being deceived at this time because Satan knows how much that other experience negatively impacted you and your life. Perhaps it is possible that your actions are fear based rather than faith based and thus it is easier or more "safe" for you to discard my experiences and the messages in my book or any other that even remotely resembles or reminds you or gets you feeling threatened that something like this level of deceit could happen to you again.

I hope you know that even though you despise me and what I represent - I still love you as my brother and I want nothing but the best for you.

[EdGoble]

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[iWriteStuff]

Ed -

I speak the truth. It is real. I do not seek to deceive anyone.I want no following and I seek no following. I support and sustain President Monsen, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve.

I know what I know and I cannot deny it. No matter what you or anyone else says or does against me that will not change what I do or say because I Know.

I truly hope that you will be able to find a greater measure of peace and that what ever pain you still hold due to the extremely difficult experiences you have gone through will be healed.

I am not here to convince anyone of anything. The Holy Ghost is the true messenger. I do hear what you are saying when you say you were deceived by a "false Holy Ghost." Satan and those who work with him are very very cunning, very very tricky and are master manipulators. They can and do imitate everything that is of the Lord...but that does not mean that there is not a real Holy Ghost. There are ways to learn how to discern the difference, and often the ways we learn these things are through sad experience. Perhaps, just perhaps, you have and are being deceived at this time because Satan knows how much that other experience negatively impacted you and your life. Perhaps it is possible that your actions are fear based rather than faith based and thus it is easier or more "safe" for you to discard my experiences and the messages in my book or any other that even remotely resembles or reminds you or gets you feeling threatened that something like this level of deceit could happen to you again.

I hope you know that even though you despise me and what I represent - I still love you as my brother and I want nothing but the best for you.

Nice try Julie. I wish you well just as much, but remember, the more elaborate the claims, the more public you become, and the more books with the bigger the story, the more difficult it will be when the time comes that you have to face the music for when the time comes for your repentance. I don't know where it started out for you. But it must have started small, but then it just got bigger and bigger for you. Was it the promise of being a big name with radio interviews and so forth become too great of a desire? Was it the attention? Was it the fact that people like Mills Crenshaw are easy? Did the purported experiences of Lance Richardson, Sarah Menet and Spencer make it too good for you that you just had to get in on the act, because there was something there that was too good to pass up? I don't know. Just remember. When something is not true, and you have become the embodiment of that untruth as what you are choosing, there is a price to pay at some point in your existence. You are better off letting that price be something that you have to pay now, while it is the least costly to you.

You have the audacity to suggest that I am deceived, when it is not I that have the outlandish claim. It is not I that have to invent a scheme to make it appear that I am in harmony with the Brethren. Things are very simple in my life, because I live the truth in my life and have nothing to hide.

Ed, I realize there is nothing anyone can say to convince you to keep your discourse civil, but no one is listening to you any more. Your words are rude, condescending, contentious and lack the Spirit. Frankly, I am surprised you are allowed to openly mock, ridicule and taunt people without any repercussions from the moderators of this friendly forum. I know debate can get heated and ugly at times, but this is no longer debate. This is a one way attack from someone who has been extended kindness and love. Disagree if you must, but do not bite the hand of friendship when openly extended to you.

I don't know that there's anything more to be said to you. I had not intended to respond to any more of your attacks or rude criticisms, but I feel you are severely out of line in your behavior towards Sis. Rowe. She said nothing unkind to you. In fact, she spoke more gently and lovingly to you than many on this forum would. The fact that you couldn't respond to her kind words without rudeness and contempt is proof enough that you do not speak the truth, because contention is not of God nor are your manners. Even the worst communicator can explain him/herself without the use of invectives and accusations.

[EdGoble]

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[Bananikka]

Thankfully, you are right. And hopefully she already is, if just a small
Portion. Thank you Julie, For all your message has done for so many of us here! <3

[Jared E]

Thank you Sister Rowe, for setting an example of emulating President Hinckley, when he taught us to respond to anger with kindness. I wish that I had been better at that earlier.

Dozens of people read these threads daily. Here we have one person who uses contempt and contention to share his message, and another who uses forgiveness and loving-kindness to share hers.

Those with ears to hear, let them hear.

[EdGoble]

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[iWriteStuff]

Is there anyone reading this thread who has A) read Julie's book, B) listened to her interviews and C) prayed on the matter who would like to share their experience? I can see no better way of returning to the topic with substance and the Spirit.

Julie has testified, and I felt the Spirit. I have listened to her words and they were confirmed to me. I have read and also felt a confirmation. Her testimony corroborates the witnesses of prophets and the scriptures. Her message brings peace and a willingness to seek further light and knowledge. This has been my experience.

[wompus]

Is there anyone reading this thread who has A) read Julie's book, B) listened to her interviews and C) prayed on the matter who would like to share their experience? I can see no better way of returning to the topic with substance and the Spirit.

Julie has testified, and I felt the Spirit. I have listened to her words and they were confirmed to me. I have read and also felt a confirmation. Her testimony corroborates the witnesses of prophets and the scriptures. Her message brings peace and a willingness to seek further light and knowledge. This has been my experience.

I did all three and got nothing from the spirit... Sorry

Thinking maybe The Lord is letting me decide on this one... So I've decided to follow the church's guidance and listen to those things that inspire me to be obedient and stay close to the church!

[Bill]

I have read her book a couple of times and remain neutral. I have also listened to both radio interviews; the second one twice.

On the one hand; anyone who is well versed in Mormon NDE literature could have written the book; as most items are similar to past experiences. There are many passages which make a statement; then copy and paste scripture to support it. So, the way it is 'written' is different than many past NDE's I have read. It does not "feel" like an personal NDE in many ways. I understand from Julie's radio interview that it was her intention to write it that way.

On the other hand; I "want" to believe the book is real because it validates what I believe is going to happen. It is consistent with most of the other NDE's, Dreams and Visions; and does offer a few nuggets of new information for the NDE aficionado to glean from. I am also not prone to accuse people of making things up.

Then, back on the one hand- I was a computer salesman for 23 years and certain expressions and sayings raise the red flag for me. 1) I can't tell you but it will be in my next book. 2) The Lord told me to do this, to do that, to say this, to say that and to ignore this; 3) If you disagree with me, watch out, you are fighting against God; and you better watch out for Him, not me (I am paraphrasing of course). As a former salesman you can imagine that if Brother Billy Bob the Evangelical preacher were to stand up and say those things; that I and most of this forum would cast tomatoes in his general direction.

But on the other hand; if I had seen something very powerful I would do as Joseph did and say "I don't blame you for not believing me; if I hadn't seen what I saw I wouldn't believe it either." I would not fight the doubts but just say that it was true- that is the approach that Julie appears to be doing.

There are several considerations for all presenters of NDE's and Visions. 1) did they really see it or are they making it up, 2) If they really saw it, does it apply to you or just to the seer?, 3) What are they doing with it? Are they starting up a second career based upon their vision? You see that a lot in the Bible Belt where Billy Bob has a vision and then starts his ministry; collects funds, sells books, goes to Africa to preach the message to the Swazulies.

In this day of swindlers, cheats and scoundrels; (and I am not just referring to politicians), one has to be on guard lest the good word become a new multi-level marketing campaign.

Therefore; I am neutral; with a desire and tendency to believe Julie. But I have doubts which have arisen due to the marketing campaign associated with the books. I have never met her or been to one of her firesides. I have been to Gayle Smith's, Sara Menet's, and listened to a presentation from Spencer. I fully admit to being on the lookout for scams; but also being fully willing to learn from true experiences.

[iWriteStuff]

Thanks, Bill and Wompus. That's more what I was hoping for - discussion and honest conversation. Opposing views or cautious skepticism are totally acceptable in the search for truth.

[leisure_59]

I have read her book, listened to both radio interviews, attended the Logan event, received an e-mail from her giving instructions about the Chicago event which I will fly out to attend, am well acquainted with her Father-in-law (Chad Rowe in the Kansas City area), and have a nephew who is the recorder of the Kansas City Temple whom Julie had a meeting with both he and the temple president but he said it was too sacred to share.

The Spirit has verified to myself, my wife, and members of my family that the message that Julie is sharing is TRUE!

[Aradel]

I do believe Julie. How I feel about her words in the book, the message she gives, is testified to me by how the Spirit speaks to me. I recognize it, it resonates with me.

I also know that the Lord wanted me to hear it at this particular time. We had made decisions in our family that we felt good about but caused a lot of upheaval and left us with some dire circumstances. But I now, with the help of Julie's message, understand the Lord's workings in my family's lives. It just all fell into place and the confusion left. I'm not saying that it's not hard anymore, but we have been blessed in ways now where we can prepare, where we would have struggled before. And I know the Lord wanted my family to hear Julie's message. But as Julie has said, it is not for everybody.

[Sunshine2014]

Is there anyone reading this thread who has A) read Julie's book, B) listened to her interviews and C) prayed on the matter who would like to share their experience? I can see no better way of returning to the topic with substance and the Spirit.

I found out about her from Mills Crenshaw. I listened to all of his NDE interviews late last year and had the thought to return to his archives to scope out more just a short time after Julie was interviewed. She just seemed very sincere to me, so I got her book... but I honestly was a bit underwhelmed by it. I guess a part of me assumed that if God commanded you to write a book that He would make sure you were a brilliant author. That feels kind of dumb to say out loud, but subconsciously it influenced her credibility in my opinion. Then I listened to her second interview and was reminded of her sincerity. I just liked her. I believed her when she spoke. What she said made sense.

Fast forward, I found out she was on this forum and I found a slightly defensive post of hers. I thought in my head, "why is she defensive if she speaks the truth?" Then the thought immediately came to me, like so immediate that I didn't have time to consider any possible answers in my own mind: She is a person just like everyone else with faults, insecurities, baggage etc., you can't judge the validity of her message by tallying up small mistakes (I don't know if 'mistakes' is the right word, but you get my point) she might make in her delivery. I am young and just learning how to discern the spirit, so I didn't think much of thought other than noticing it was odd. But now I'm starting to think that was the spirit telling me to give her credence.

[Bananikka]

What a good point to make. When I first heard her interview I got the feeling she wasn't very happy to be speaking at all. (It's hard to explain but I felt like if I had been there she would have been exasperated at my questions) I set that feeling aside and listened anyway. And I enjoyed her message! I also enjoyed her book. And can't wait to see her speak. As I said on another thread, we are all raised differently with different social "norms" and personality traits. We have different mannerisms and ways of expressing ourselves. It's also worth noting that people aren't at their most comfy while giving public radio interviews! They get nervous and she perhaps was struggling with speaking exactly as she ought to, listening to the way the Spirit guided and trying her best to obey and respond accordingly.
Basically like you said she is a human being. She, as all of us, has imperfections and weaknesses and its her great message that we need to focus on. I'm not saying she's a bad speaker or writer (I did enjoy her book and didn't mind its simplicity at all), but that when we find little things that we may question, like as you said she seemed to become defensive (which I think only showed her humanity and natural sentitivity) we need to remember that she is just a human being like the rest of us trying to fulfill a huge task and doing her very best, not because she is without weaknesses, but despite them.

[iWriteStuff]

What a good point to make. When I first heard her interview I got the feeling she wasn't very happy to be speaking at all. (It's hard to explain but I felt like if I had been there she would have been exasperated at my questions) I set that feeling aside and listened anyway. And I enjoyed her message! I also enjoyed her book. And can't wait to see her speak. As I said on another thread, we are all raised differently with different social "norms" and personality traits. We have different mannerisms and ways of expressing ourselves. It's also worth noting that people aren't at their most comfy while giving public radio interviews! They get nervous and she perhaps was struggling with speaking exactly as she ought to, listening to the way the Spirit guided and trying her best to obey and respond accordingly.
Basically like you said she is a human being. She, as all of us, has imperfections and weaknesses and its her great message that we need to focus on. I'm not saying she's a bad speaker or writer (I did enjoy her book and didn't mind its simplicity at all), but that when we find little things that we may question, like as you said she seemed to become defensive (which I think only showed her humanity and natural sentitivity) we need to remember that she is just a human being like the rest of us trying to fulfill a huge task and doing her very best, not because she is without weaknesses, but despite them.

Honestly the fact that she wasn't polished and eloquent helps her cause more than hinders it in my opinion. She expresses herself well, but if she had been all style and no substance it would have been harder for me to swallow. Like Bill above, I've been in sales. I've learned to smell phony salespeople from a mile away. Even a hint of grandiosity raises flags for me. I didn't get that sense from Julie. Also, the lack of "eloquence" helped me focus on the message rather than the messenger. To me, that's how someone with a true message would behave: more steak than sizzle.

Doesn't hurt that the message jives with scriptures and prophetic warnings either....

[loveroftruth]

Hello, I have read Julie's book and listened to her radio interviews several times. I always come away feeling peaceful and as if she is telling the truth.
I have wondered however if anyone has read any of Chad Daybell's books especially 'The great gathering' from his standing in holy places series. The similarities between it and what Julie says is staggering. Does anyone know if Chad has had a similar NDE, or dreams? Or where he got his ideas for the books.
I am just searching for the truth. Thank you.