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Just thought it would be interesting to get the thoughts of those who have thoughts on what is this that the Muslim, Buddhists, Hindus, Catholic, Jews and others just quite don't have of this celestial law given; that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has.

Inasmuch as they all know about "love for one another" from a "pure heart" and to "do good".

What do you see as the greater thing of the law given to Joseph Smith, not given directly to the others?

I thought I saw as the one specific commandment given as being equal in your temporal things and start this by seeing everyone had an inheritance of a covenant and a deed that cannot be broken.

I wish to hear what others feel that Jesus Christ has asked of his true church not directly asked and written in other Scriptures written, what do you see?

As a point of further enlightenment it is said that the book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel. Do you believe that this second witness of Manasseh saying that they also had "all things common" even as Peter and his fellow apostles of the tribe of Judah had "all things common" is now given to Ephraim to so do and manifest as a light unto all the nation's of the earth?

Take a look in this book.

Yes the "One Stick" spoken of by Ezekiel 37.

Be confounded no more on how to treat the poor. ♡

This fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ has been outright rejected and forsaken. Sad indeed.

Yes, to become equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly by imparting of covenants and deeds that cannot be broken into the hands of the poor Saints sufficient for the support of their families from the consecrated Tithes and Offerings without any grudgingly behavior. This inheritances required for the very foundation of Zion.

This has been forsaken and forgotten. Equity has been perverted.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have gone far astray from being equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly.

Awaken before it is everlastingly too late heads of Jacob and princes of the house of Israel. Please. ♡ ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:Just thought it would be interesting to get the thoughts of those who have thoughts on what is this that the Muslim, Buddhists, Hindus, Catholic, Jews and others just quite don't have of this celestial law given; that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has.

Inasmuch as they all know about "love for one another" from a "pure heart" and to "do good".

What do you see as the greater thing of the law given to Joseph Smith, not given directly to the others?

I thought I saw as the one specific commandment given as being equal in your temporal things and start this by seeing everyone had an inheritance of a covenant and a deed that cannot be broken.

I wish to hear what others feel that Jesus Christ has asked of his true church not directly asked and written in other Scriptures written, what do you see?

I can honestly say that I don't know what the other religions teach well enough to know what they do and don't teach. How much they are lacking.

Through my searching for truth. The truths that I have found from other religions and other sorces the lds religon also teaches them.

Though I find that many of the members of the lds faith don't understand some of those truths. It goes right over their heads. It's right in front of them yet they don't see it.

I have never found a truth that Isant also taught in the lds church. Or rather gosple. As many of those truths are completly ignored. Yet they are there waiting to be taught.

I'm curious to see if others on hear can exspond on this topic.

One of my own observations is the view by many members that we are the one and only true church which seems to justify them in looking down on anyone outside of the lds faith and treating them not as they should. So there view that we are the one and only true church makes hypocrites of them. As they don't live what they are supposed to know and be part of:


It's almost as if that view makes them stop progressing as they see themselfs as already being there. Perfect. 8-}

The law unto the Jews of the Feast of Tabernacles and inheritances for all is like unto section 42 of the D&C and section 70.

All surplus wealth beyond that needed for the support of their families was to be brought before the Lord and they were not to appear before the Lord empty handed. And all the tribes were to have inheritances in the land of promise save for the tribe of Levi who were to inherit the law of God and teach it dilligently.

The Jews know that the Feast of Tabernacles was to teach of a leveling of equality by equitable distribution of any and all surplus between the tribes.

It would be good to keep the law of this all ones surplus wealth beyond that needed for the support of their families and to be equal in our temporal things and this not grudgingly.

To to pursue the vast tracts of land and adornment and building temples anyways and pursuing making investments with the Tithes and Offerings in anything others than that which God has commanded of the Houses of Judah and Ephraim to so do before seeing buildings built and be first and foremost equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly.

Then after the poor and needy in your midst are cared for sufficient for their wants and needs of food and clothing and lands and homes, go and build your buildings and vast tracts of land for the worshipping of God and the public benefit of the Saints.

Teach one another dilligently as is written in D&C 105 and have experience imparting as the gospel requires that the elders of Israel may be baptized with cloven tongues of fire and power from on high for the blessings of God.

Come to the wedding feast invitation of the Lamb of God and delay coming no longer saying you have other things that you wish to pursue of idols first.

See to it that all your members have food and raiment and houses and lands according as the law of God requires, and be equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly. Establish the "Ordinances of Justice" in the land of promise.

You will be glad you did. ♡ ♡

The fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and embracing the law of God, revealed unto Joseph Smith, of just giving inheritances of stewardships, of covenants and deeds, into the hands of the poor Saints, sufficient for the support of their families, from the consecrated Tithes and Offerings, without any grudgingly behavior, would require a change in the tax code, upon the land of Adam-ondi-Ahman or Zion here in America.

This embracing the law, is a mirror image, of what the Jews believe, is the highest levels of Tzedakah, that they can preform, giving to an individual, or family that they may become self sustaining, and self sufficient.

If the members of Congress that are of Ephraim, or Latter Day Saints, like Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, and Senator Mike Crapo of Idaho, as there are 17 of them, were to take with them their "One Stick" given unto them, and show unto the current 12 members, of the United States Senate, that are Jews, and 22 members, of the House of Congress, that are Jews, that the tax code needs to be amended, to allow freedom of religious practice without any tax penalties, that homes may be given to the poor and needy among us, to help them become self sustaining, and self sufficient, could happen without any tax penalties for the givers nor the given. ♡ ♡

They all would begin to have their eyes opened up to the things which are written in the book called the "One Stick" by the words of Ezekiel 37:15-23.

They would know that the 18,600,000 vacant homes in America, had become like unto sacred idols of worship, and as a detestable thing that America should be ashamed of, being called in this world, as a nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

And then the words of Ezekiel 37:15-23 could be fullfilled where both the Houses of Israel of Judah and Ephraim together could forsake their idols and detestable things and their sins and serve God. ♡ ♡

I've seen many times in scriptures that perhaps the reason God reveals certain truths to one people rather than another is because that people requires his help more than others to find him. Even when given clear direction, those people many times misunderstand that message. I think in many ways, we in Mormonism consider ourselves an exception in that we have the "true" gospel and we misunderstand the message when the scriptures are right before us, as well as the testimony of all the holy prophets.

BTW, I don't believe what was taught by Bruce R. McConkie that because you were more valient in the pre-mortal existence you qualified to receive the gospel in mortality. I find that quiet contrary to the teachings of Jesus who described the disposition of a loving heavenly father as sending his rains upon the just and the unjust. I believe there is such things as a forordination to a specific mission by qualification ie, Adam and Eve, Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith, etc.

Both of the Houses of Ephraim and Judah have specific blessings given of the fathers. Look to these blessings and honors given and promised.

Those individuals placed into these rolls to play out in this great "Script" of Scriptures written have been placed there by God to fullfill his purposes.

It would be good for the hearts of these children of Judah and Ephraim to look to these blessings and promises given of and to their ancient fathers and of specific blessings given unto Ephraim and Judah that shall all be fullfilled every whit. ♡ ♡

There are specific "ifs" written and promised within the pages of this "Script" or Scriptures written to be considered. ♡ ♡

Good to be an instrument in the hands of God to help bring about great good in your days upon this earth. ♡ ♡

Good to help establish "Equity" and the "Ordinances of Justice" in your days upon this earth. ♡ ♡

Robert Sinclair wrote:Just thought it would be interesting to get the thoughts of those who have thoughts on what is this that the Muslim, Buddhists, Hindus, Catholic, Jews and others just quite don't have of this celestial law given; that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has.

Inasmuch as they all know about "love for one another" from a "pure heart" and to "do good".

What do you see as the greater thing of the law given to Joseph Smith, not given directly to the others?

I thought I saw as the one specific commandment given as being equal in your temporal things and start this by seeing everyone had an inheritance of a covenant and a deed that cannot be broken.

I wish to hear what others feel that Jesus Christ has asked of his true church not directly asked and written in other Scriptures written, what do you see?

One of the most important things that stands out to me is the work of organizing the family structure of souls in the world to come by way of the temple ordinances, including the vicarious ordinance work.

Also, doctrinally, the many additional truths surrounding Adam and Eve and the pre-mortal existence.

The baptism ordinances are symbolic of immersion in the living waters of the words of God written in the Scriptures.

The symbolic gesture of sacrifice of one's own life for the service of God is the law given in the Scriptures.

The covenant to give all of one's own material possessions and property is known as embracing the law of God's church here on earth as is written in the Scriptures.

By submersion into the words of God given, without even a toe sticking out, of his words you do not know is like unto grabbing hold of the iron rod, of the words of God given, pressing forward until you reach the tree of life, and partake of its fruit, and having your names written in the book of life, and overcome the Beast of ignorance and Babylon and gain entrance to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God and entrance to the Holy City of God. ♡ ♡

Good to do a book report on all the words of Jesus Christ of all the things he said to do, and all the ways Jesus Christ has said to be like, and all the things Jesus Christ has said to know.

And memorize them all, and post them on the door post of thine house and on your gates, and on your cupboards and your walls and fridge. And to get audio versions of the Scriptures written, and listen to them day and night until they are written upon the table of your heart and mind and soul. ♡ ♡

And good if the members of the House of Ephraim of the Congress of the United States of America can take with them their "One Stick" given unto them and go before the members of Congress of the United States of America that are of the House of Judah to place before their own eyes the "One Stick" given unto them as to how to be confounded no more on how to treat the poor. ♡ ♡

Please note and see Ezekiel 37:15-23. ♡ ♡

Embrace the law of God and establish the foundation of Zion. ♡ ♡

Tithes and Offerings of the children of Israel were to come from their first and best fruits and flocks and vineyards as well as their leftover corners of their fields and gleanings of their vineyards for the poor and needy and the stranger among them to be distributed unto all by the Bishops of their day of the Levite tribe.

And they all were to have inheritances in the land of promise save for the tribe of Levi.

And during the Highest Holy Days of the Jews during Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles which they were to dwell in booths both king as well as servants equally for 8 day to teach them dilligently about being equal in their temporal things by the Lord.

This law of equality was more specifically defined and pointed out to the Latter Day Saints that instead of booths they should have covenants and deeds for houses and lands according as one has need sufficient for their wants and needs to support one's own self and their family.

That after making sure all had sufficient for their wants and needs for food and for raiment, for houses and for lands the residue was to be used for the purchasing of lands or the building of buildings for worshipping God or the public benefit thereof the Saints. And for additional poor among them as would come along from these surplus beyond that needed for the support of their families.

This law has never been kept as of yet by the house of Ephraim nor sought to keep even after being chastened in D&C 105 and told to go and have experience imparting as the gospel requires and become endowed and baptized with cloven tongues of fire and power from on high as Peter and his fellow apostles were by imparting as they did.

Hosea testified that Ephraim shall reject the greater things of his law and consider it a strange thing and walk away from the law of God. And go following after the Mother of Harlots and Whore of all the earth and Abominations of Babylon in the setting up of idols of the images of wealth and power of multi million dollar buildings for worshipping God and the likes of mega million dollar tracts of land and shopping malls before becoming equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly.

That Ephraim would go on to be like a silly dove without heart, and feed on wind and stay way too long in the place of the breaking forth of the children of God as a woman who travails laboring to bring forth yet does not.

So it is written to be in pain and labor to bring forth the daughter of Zion, and to bring forth the bride out of the closet, and to come to the wedding feast invitation of the Lamb of God, prepared with the required feast of fat things, for the poor, of being equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly, with houses and lands and food and raiment, sufficient for the support of their families from the consecrated Tithes and Offerings.

The call remains for Ephraim to be honored to lay this foundation of Zion and to set up this ensign and light for all the earth to see, exactly how the Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ has said to be.

That the nation's of the earth will be confounded no more on how to treat the poor.

May the head of Jacob and princes of the house of Israel of Ephraim awaken and acknowledge and atone saying "What have I to do anymore with idols?"

And finally bring forth fruits equal and delightful unto the Lord. ♡ ♡

jwharton wrote:

Robert Sinclair wrote:Just thought it would be interesting to get the thoughts of those who have thoughts on what is this that the Muslim, Buddhists, Hindus, Catholic, Jews and others just quite don't have of this celestial law given; that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has.

Inasmuch as they all know about "love for one another" from a "pure heart" and to "do good".

What do you see as the greater thing of the law given to Joseph Smith, not given directly to the others?

I thought I saw as the one specific commandment given as being equal in your temporal things and start this by seeing everyone had an inheritance of a covenant and a deed that cannot be broken.

I wish to hear what others feel that Jesus Christ has asked of his true church not directly asked and written in other Scriptures written, what do you see?

One of the most important things that stands out to me is the work of organizing the family structure of souls in the world to come by way of the temple ordinances, including the vicarious ordinance work.

Also, doctrinally, the many additional truths surrounding Adam and Eve and the pre-mortal existence.

The "fullness of the Gospel" has to be an innate principle woven into the fabric of every "spirit" who has come to earth to receive a mortal body. For the scripture says:

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.(New Testament | Romans 13:10)

If love is the fulfilling of the law, then "love" is a diving attribute that transcends the "letter of the law." The "letter of the law" is not the fullness of the gospel... "love" is! But it is not just an ordinary "love"... it is an unconditional love that transcends conditional love (which is where most people are in there worship of God). The "conditions" of the law are to point our minds and hearts to the "spirit of the law" which is the "fullness of the gospel."

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
(New Testament | Romans 2:14 - 15)

Here again is how the "principles of righteousness" or the "fullness of the gospel" works...

For circumcision (or baptism or any external ordinance or ceremony) verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(New Testament | Romans 2:25 - 29)

It is obvious to me that the very same attributes of character (divine nature, holiness) that "saved" or "exalted" the 1st God that became "God," will the same eternal attributes that will exalt the next "God" that becomes "God" and so on. Take one divine attribute away from "God" and He or She would cease to be a "God." That which makes God, "God" is His or Her divine nature personified in thought, word and deed. This never changes... however the outward ceremonies and ordinances of the gospel have always changed from the time of Adam and Eve to the current day... if not in word, in deed and if not in deed in word, there has always been changes in the "letter of the law."

According to the Old Testament, things or places were holy that were set apart for a sacred purpose; the opposite of holy is therefore common or profane (1 Sam. 21:5; Ezek. 22:26; 42:20; 44:23; 48:13–15). Similarly a holy person meant one who held a sacred office. The Israelites were a holy people because they stood in a special relationship to Jehovah. Under the guidance of the Prophets it was seen that what distinguished Jehovah from the gods of the heathen was His personal character. The word holy therefore came to refer to moral character (Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 21:8; Isa. 6:3–8). Israel must be holy in character because the God of Israel was holy (Jer. 7:4–7; see also Matt. 5:48). The Law of Holiness (Lev. 17–26) shows how the attempt was made by means of ceremonial observances to secure this holiness of character. The attempt failed because the later Jews observed the letter and neglected the spirit; they attached more importance to the ceremonial than to the moral; and the result was a lapse into formalism. But in the writings of the Prophets it is clearly laid down that the value of worship in the eyes of God depends upon the personal character of the worshipper.

LDS Bible Dictionary, Holiness.

Being pure in heart and equal, one with another and doing good continually, is what it is, being like Jesus Christ and one of his true diciples. ♡ ♡

SkyBird wrote:

jwharton wrote:

Robert Sinclair wrote:Just thought it would be interesting to get the thoughts of those who have thoughts on what is this that the Muslim, Buddhists, Hindus, Catholic, Jews and others just quite don't have of this celestial law given; that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has.

Inasmuch as they all know about "love for one another" from a "pure heart" and to "do good".

What do you see as the greater thing of the law given to Joseph Smith, not given directly to the others?

I thought I saw as the one specific commandment given as being equal in your temporal things and start this by seeing everyone had an inheritance of a covenant and a deed that cannot be broken.

I wish to hear what others feel that Jesus Christ has asked of his true church not directly asked and written in other Scriptures written, what do you see?

One of the most important things that stands out to me is the work of organizing the family structure of souls in the world to come by way of the temple ordinances, including the vicarious ordinance work.

Also, doctrinally, the many additional truths surrounding Adam and Eve and the pre-mortal existence.

The "fullness of the Gospel" has to be an innate principle woven into the fabric of every "spirit" who has come to earth to receive a mortal body. For the scripture says:

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.(New Testament | Romans 13:10)

If love is the fulfilling of the law, then "love" is a diving attribute that transcends the "letter of the law." The "letter of the law" is not the fullness of the gospel... "love" is! But it is not just an ordinary "love"... it is an unconditional love that transcends conditional love (which is where most people are in there worship of God). The "conditions" of the law are to point our minds and hearts to the "spirit of the law" which is the "fullness of the gospel."

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts,
(New Testament | Romans 2:14 - 15)

Here again is how the "principles of righteousness" or the "fullness of the gospel" works...

For circumcision (or baptism or any external ordinance or ceremony) verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(New Testament | Romans 2:25 - 29)

It is obvious to me that the very same attributes of character (divine nature, holiness) that "saved" or "exalted" the 1st God that became "God," will the same eternal attributes that will exalt the next "God" that becomes "God" and so on. Take one divine attribute away from "God" and He or She would cease to be a "God." That which makes God, "God" is His or Her divine nature personified in thought, word and deed. This never changes... however the outward ceremonies and ordinances of the gospel have always changed from the time of Adam and Eve to the current day... if not in word, in deed and if not in deed in word, there has always been changes in the "letter of the law."

According to the Old Testament, things or places were holy that were set apart for a sacred purpose; the opposite of holy is therefore common or profane (1 Sam. 21:5; Ezek. 22:26; 42:20; 44:23; 48:13–15). Similarly a holy person meant one who held a sacred office. The Israelites were a holy people because they stood in a special relationship to Jehovah. Under the guidance of the Prophets it was seen that what distinguished Jehovah from the gods of the heathen was His personal character. The word holy therefore came to refer to moral character (Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 21:8; Isa. 6:3–8). Israel must be holy in character because the God of Israel was holy (Jer. 7:4–7; see also Matt. 5:48). The Law of Holiness (Lev. 17–26) shows how the attempt was made by means of ceremonial observances to secure this holiness of character. The attempt failed because the later Jews observed the letter and neglected the spirit; they attached more importance to the ceremonial than to the moral; and the result was a lapse into formalism. But in the writings of the Prophets it is clearly laid down that the value of worship in the eyes of God depends upon the personal character of the worshipper.

LDS Bible Dictionary, Holiness.

The point Paul is making is the reality of what a person is reveals the content of their heart. Some have the laws written in their hearts and others, regardless of what external performances/ordinances they have participated in, do not have God's law in their hearts. And, if they have participated in ordinances and acquire not the law written in their hearts all of those performances profit them nothing.

This is a principle that increases the significance and importance of God's Law.

So, thanks to Paul Christianity has been aware of this for about 2,000 years.

Let's get back to what the fullness of the gospel has provided above and beyond that.

Exactly! Your right on! Perhaps Moses summed it up when asked what the name of God was and God simply said:

I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
(Old Testament | Exodus 3:14)