LDS Freedom Forum

I was brought up in the church and went on a mission to the US.

It was during my mission i fit the pieces of the gospel together in a whole new light, and made so much sense to me and became precious. And it was at a members home they had a book about secret combinations that i found interesting. Ive read about them in the Book of Mormon, but never studied it more.

It was not until 2005 that i found documentaries about the Illuminati and then about the 9/11 being a inside job and Alex Jones documentaries. That really changed me. And i find it so confirming seeing all the warnings from modern prophets about all these things. That has led me to this forum that i love. And i´m glad to start being a participant, not only a reader. Glad to be here.

Welcome

Daniel,

Welcome! Sounds like we have walked many of the same paths. I have studied a lot about conspiracy/secret combinations and things like the influence of the Rothschilds, communism/socialism, the Bavarian Illuminati and their infiltration of many masonic lodges and many similar things.

I still feel that the U.S. LDS are under condemnation for not learning about and supporting the U.S. Constitution, but I have also come to understand that there are a great many other things that we need to repent of as a church. So many things that it appears overwhelming.

Great to have another conspiracy/secret combination person here to compare notes with!

Thank you for the welcome!

It sure is appreciated!

I don´t have many like minded members to talk about these things deeply that i have a need for, i try to bring up things when i feel appropriate.

Yes, i agree. I think that is a large part about the condemnation the Church is under, that we as members haven't given heed to it´s warnings.

And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written.

Doctrine and Covenants 84:57

Isn´t there a scripture in D&C that talks about how we individually can come out of this condemnation?

Hi dzstudios,

Welcome, I'm sure you will love it here. There are a great variety of topics and thoughts/opinions on them.

I had a couple of LDS Swedish bosses, Fredrick Karlsson and Per Malm. Do you know them? They were great guys and I learned a great deal from them.

They are TBM's though so conspiracy stuff would probably not be in their remit.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and how the Gospel is doing in Sweden

Thanks

Graham

Welcome!!

dzstudios wrote:Hi, my name is Daniel from Sweden. I´m 32. Married and have 2 kids. Live out in the country side, which is really nice compared to living in the 2nd biggest city during my upbringing. I went on my mission to Minnesota Minneapolis Mission in 2002-2004.

It was during my mission i fit the pieces of the gospel together in a whole new light, and made so much sense to me and became precious. And it was at a members home they had a book about secret combinations that i found interesting. Ive read about them in the Book of Mormon, but never studied it more.

It was not until 2005 that i found documentaries about the Illuminati and then about the 9/11 being a inside job and Alex Jones documentaries. That really changed me. And i find it so confirming seeing all the warnings from modern prophets about all these things. That has led me to this forum that i love. And i´m glad to start being a participant, not only a reader. Glad to be here. /Daniel

Welcome! Which modern day prophets are you referring to those from the church or outside the church like Snuffer? :))

Sorry couldn't resist I call this baptism by fire - which is another thread all unto itself...

Hi dzstudios,

Welcome, I'm sure you will love it here. There are a great variety of topics and thoughts/opinions on them.

I had a couple of LDS Swedish bosses, Fredrick Karlsson and Per Malm. Do you know them? They were great guys and I learned a great deal from them.

They are TBM's though so conspiracy stuff would probably not be in their remit.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and how the Gospel is doing in Sweden

Thanks

Graham

Hi theBruceGuy!

That's neat. I do know them both!
Had no clue what TBM means, but i checked the good old nsa search engine.

Yes and No acually, Per Malm, yeah problably TBM, but Fredrik, we started talking, and i guess i mentioned something about secret comb, and he started talking about he learned about the nwo and how dissapointed that the prophets/apostles didn´t talk about it that conference either. But i told him about a thing i´ve read about that, that if they clearly would warn us now about the nwo, it would probably split the church in half, and that is not the way the Lord wants it.

I guess that calmed him. I don´t have a qoute for that one, maybe more my opinion. But we already have been warned clearly (Benson) and many more.

But one awesome thing in our Stake, i´ve heard our SP talking to us in Staketalks (saturday meeting, more intimate) about "the Mormon Conspiracy", and how he and many other SP had meetings, and those are some of the things they are talking about, and how we should be involved more in politics, and that we will step in when the governments collapses. Very interesting.

About how the work is going in Sweden, about 15 years ago the work was very slow here, but our former SP had a vision that the members would go through a refiners fire, after that the work would grow (paraphrase). But since around 2007 or so things have really picked up, and i don´t have any numbers, but it´s really a miracle, many many people are joining the Church. Exciting. On the other hand, we have problems with AntiMormon stuff, people question JS and things, and strong, long faithful members are leaving the Church. So we see a purge or a better synonym to that.

So youre from Alberta Canada? I had a Missionary Comp from BC i think, Freizer Wilde. Know him?.. probably around 30.

dzstudios wrote:Thank you for the welcome!

It sure is appreciated!

I don´t have many like minded members to talk about these things deeply that i have a need for, i try to bring up things when i feel appropriate.

Yes, i agree. I think that is a large part about the condemnation the Church is under, that we as members haven't given heed to it´s warnings.

And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written.

Doctrine and Covenants 84:57

Isn´t there a scripture in D&C that talks about how we individually can come out of this condemnation?

Yes... REPENT "And inasmuch as they sinned they might be chastened, that they might repent;"

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 1:27)


and...

"put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:24)

Welcome to the "Forum."

Hi e-eye.

I guess i should have started with a Capital letter on that one... Snuffer, seams like a respectable guy though.. ;)

Foremost it´s Ezra Taft Benson, but this list is basically all our Prophets, http://www.latterdayconservative.com/quotes/

Yeah, Baptism by Fire, that is a good one. It´s like your sleeping and someone grabs your shoulders and starts shaking you, very unpleasant, but i´m so glad i can "see" now.

Just have to give one example when i emailed all my emaillist about warnings of vaccines, i got a reply what trash i was sending around, and another one that praised me for what good info i was sending. Can´t wait until my mandatory shots to come...

mercury, it´s good for you!

Thanks SkyBird for the reply with the scriptures.

So if i repent, i will not be under condemnation that the Church is under?

And your aminds in times past have been bdarkened because of cunbelief, and because you have treated dlightly the things you have received
Which avanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation.
And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all
And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written

Doctrine and Covenants 84:54-57

Welcome. I served a mission in Sweden from 95-97. I don't remember much Swedish unfortunately.

Hi Gad, that´s cool. What areas were you in?

dzstudios wrote:Hi Gad, that´s cool. What areas were you in?

All over. Jakobsberg, Helsingborg, Sodertalje, Ostersund, Alingsas, Hassleholm.

Have you heard anything about the Swedish rescue? I heard about it on the internet and was really curious how that was affecting local members.

dzstudios wrote:Hi, my name is Daniel from Sweden. I´m 32. Married and have 2 kids. Live out in the country side, which is really nice compared to living in the 2nd biggest city during my upbringing. I went on my mission to Minnesota Minneapolis Mission in 2002-2004.

It was during my mission i fit the pieces of the gospel together in a whole new light, and made so much sense to me and became precious. And it was at a members home they had a book about secret combinations that i found interesting. Ive read about them in the Book of Mormon, but never studied it more.

It was not until 2005 that i found documentaries about the Illuminati and then about the 9/11 being a inside job and Alex Jones documentaries. That really changed me. And i find it so confirming seeing all the warnings from modern prophets about all these things. That has led me to this forum that i love. And i´m glad to start being a participant, not only a reader. Glad to be here. /Daniel

most of those documentaries are fake..

and the so-called Illuminati are not the actual Illuminati.

Illuminati means "Enlightened Ones".. those who defended truth and the knowledge of Jesus Christ during the Catholic destruction and consolidation of the knowledge of Christ

they were people who held onto the oldest versions of the Bible, and followed Christs true doctrines, while the the Church was burning people alive with these same copies hung around their necks

we owe a lot to such people..

for such were the ones who escaped to more protective and liberal places, such as Denmark & Sweden, until the opportunity of a new World presented itself.

you yourself may be descendant of one such Illuminati

Hi Tenzen, thank for your input.

Which parts of those documentaries are "fake"? Were he films military having a drill of taking guns from guys that talkes about the 2:nd amendment and the constitution, or where he sneaks in to the bohemian grove and films there rituals. Sure, i know that there are different forms of the Illuminati, and that the symbolism is the other way around, that Christ and his followers are the enlighten. i mean the New World Order people instead, the ones that takes everything with Christs Gospel and inverts it.

It would be great to be a descendant from one of those people!

Hail Hydra! ;)

Hi Gad.

I have not heard about the Swedish Rescue, please do tell. And if you find the clip.

Hi e-eye

When you mentioned Snuffer as a prophet, i thought you made that name up, but i found a post from him and his blog. Thanks for the warning!

Understanding of the condemnation is key to understanding the scriptures that have been written about equal in your temporal things. One can look to the prophet Enoch who first taught of the law given of God unto him and he built a city of righteousness and justice and purity of heart where there were no poor among them. Next was Moses who taught the law through the feasts given them where they were to bring their surplus goods and dwell in booths equally for 8 days a sabbath at the beginning and a sabbath at the end where the law was repeated unto them. But they understood not what was being given to them and fell away. Next was Jesus Christ birth into the house of Judah where he taught the law to them and after his resurrection spent 40 days with his followers after which they did sell their possessions and goods and had all things common among them and gathered together in the temple and were baptized with fire and power from on high. Then going forth afterwards and healing the sick and raising the dead. Jesus Christ informed them that he had other sheep and went to the house of Manassah and baptized them with fire and power from on high and they went forth healing the sick and afflicted and opening the ears of the deaf and the eyes of the blind for 200 years until the 201st year had passed away and they began to be lifted up above one another and the work of miracles did cease soon after. Now Jesus Christ had informed them that he had other sheep and came to the house of Ephraim through Joseph Smith and delivered up the witnesses from the house of Manassah unto the house of Ephraim that they might come to know and understand of this fullness of his gospel to be equal in your temporal things. And now after all these testimonies that have been written and given Jesus Christ informs Joseph Smith that none are exempt from this law who belong to the church of the living God in your temporal things ye shall be equal. And invites them also to so do with their rich and learned the wise and noble among them and to also come and be baptized with fire and power from on high. But it must needs be that the scriptures held by the house of Ephraim of the "One Stick" given of the testimonies of the house of Judah and Joseph from Manassah and Ephraim be fullfilled as written. Hosea testified that the house of Ephraim would be as silly doves and an unwise son and reject the greater things of the law and go ahead and build temples anyways that it must needs be that they acknowledge their offence and seek the face of the Lord for he has hid his face from them because of this. Micah also testified that for the perversion of equity there will be no answer of God. Now it must needs be that the scriptures held by the house of Ephraim and Israel are fulfilled every whit and it is wisdom in God that such things be so that you might learn and understand that he knows you before you were even born. So that ye might have hope know that Moroni testified that the things written of Joel were not yet but soon would be. Joel speaks and testified "hearken ye old men" has this been in your day? And goes on to describe a vineyard and pastures that are all dried up and eaten up where there is no all things common among them. There are members of the church that have hundreds of millions of dollars in equity and members that are yoked and burdened with rentals where even after faithfully paying rent for all their lives receive not one penny of equity. Atone and return unto the Lord with weeping and broken hearts and contrite spirits and fast and pray and cry unto the Lord to spare you and forgive you and bring his bride The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints out of the closet clothed with equity and justice and righteousness and purity of heart and come answer the wedding invitation of Christ.
You will be glad you did:)

Hi Robert Sinclair.

Thanks for the info. That´s alot. I really thought the Ephraim being Silly Doves were interesting, surely it is so. What comes to mind is the Parable of the 10 Virgins and how it´s related to Christ Church. And that half would not be ready to the feast. I´ve felt a separation from God, and adapted to that, which is really not good.

I can count on my fingers the times that i´ve felt the Lords Spirit prompt me about things, but i felt it many times during classes, talks, music. But i guess i have put myself down because of feelings of worthiness, that i wont get as blessed as others.

I´m trying to overcome that, that everybody sins, but if we truly repent and strive to become more like Christ we won´t be 2:nd class citizens of the Lords Church (Paraphrase from Miracle of Forgiveness)

So, are there members that give all there surplus to the Church?, i have only heard a talk by W. Cleon Skousen about people basically living it now.

Daniel,
I often hear from other LDSs that one big reason the Church no longer promotes awareness of the principles of the US Constitution is because the form of government it established would be offensive to members in countries where socialism is popular. Have a look at "The Proper Role Of Government" by Ezra Taft Benson, which you can read on line. I wonder how members in Sweden would generally react if the principles of government advocated by Ezra Taft Benson were recommended to them by the Prophet. I made my own observations in Danmark 2001-2003 as my wife and I did a mission, and I think many members would leave the Church rather than live those laws. But I also believe many would accept it.

lundbaek,
I don't know about Sweden but here in Norway I think it's close to what you describe about Denmark. Most Norwegians are very accustomed to big government and the welfare state and have problems to see how the nation could function in any other way. I have spoken with a few members here about the US Constitution and Ezra Taft Bensons views on government but most of them think that his views are outdated and that "it may have worked earlier but everything has changed now in this modern world".

I think many recognize the wisdom of some of the principles in the US Constitution but they fail to see the whole picture and don't see that those principles support a society that enables Gods plan for us in the best way possible.

I think the situation would be the same here i Norway as in Denmark if we had to live those laws.

In my ignorance i wrote as a reply to e-eye that i thanked him for "warning med about Denver Snuffer". The judging by me solely on a persons name. Well. I now do believe that Denver Snuffer is a prophet. I will not have a debate about it though. Thanks

wow, that was a turnabout on snuffer. from " what is a snuffer?" to "I believe snuffer is a prophet" in 7 months. that's fine, I have no beef with snuffer folks. send like most are seeking greater light.

love your avatar!

I believe that Denver Snuffer, like Julie Rowe, is a prophet only within his own stewardship. He may well have received divine revelations regarding his own stewardship, which he is free to share with others if he wishes. I do that myself. But I do not assume that revelations that I receive from the Lord apply to anyone else outside of my stewardship. I hope I haven't come across as trying to persuade people that they must do as I do. Suggestions that I make are based on what prophets and apostles have advised when speaking or writing as such to the entire Church.