I have seen the Savior . . .

[Robert Sinclair]

It is written in what is known as Chapter 23.

[TannerG]

Thank you all for your posts. You encourage me to continue on the path of repentance and sanctification. Though I have never seen the Savior I have felt a measure of His encompassing love and of His intimate knowledge and concern. This scripture describes the experience perfectly: "...they heard a voice as if it came out of heaven...and notwithstanding it being a small voice it did pierce them that did hear to the center... yea, it did pierce them to the very soul, and it did cause their hearts to burn." (3 Nephi 11:3) Though unlike the people in Bountiful, I immediately recognized the words. It was like a laser beam that spoke directly to my spirit. I have never felt such deep and abiding love.

Though I have struggled, though at times my faith has been weak, I have remained true to that testimony. Christ is my foundation and I will praise Him forever.

[MegaManToo]

Portions of this thread are extremely beautiful. Thank you.

The condescension of God took place when Christ Jehovah condescended to leave His Heavenly throne as a God and come down here to mortality and earth as Jesus to suffer with us, help us, be with us, and be as if He were one of us. He came down here to see things and experience things from our point of view. Before He left Heaven, He already knew that He would win by failing. He would win by being crucified and experiencing death, just like the rest of us will experience failure and death in some form or another before the end of our lives. As mortal beings, we each have a battle looming ahead of us that we each are destined to fail or lose. Mortals by definition are destined to die, and there's nothing we can do about it. Death is the ultimate failure. Now Jesus Christ knows what it is like to have to face and suffer death. That's the condescension of God.

The bitter cup is hell. The bitter cup is spiritual death. And, in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus Christ drank a whole gallon of hell on our behalf, so that we wouldn't have to, so long as we are willing to accept Him on faith and repent of our sins. Drinking the bitter cup on our behalf, that is the condescension of God! Christ is trying to win us over to His side by His willingness to suffer and die on our behalf. God is the one making the ultimate sacrifice, not us. That's what makes Him the one true God, because He put His life and His spirituality on the line for our sake.

[marc]

MegaMan, thank you for your testimony. I really did appreciate reading it.

[Daryl]

This is fantastic.

What have you done today?

[Louisianamama]

The thought of visions of our heavenly parents actually kind of frightens me. Maybe frighten isn't the right word. I always that our prophet was the only person to have that gift. If others see this vision is that evil showing through to mess with our mind as we try to get closer to Christ? Or are we allowed that gift?

[FoxMammaWisdom]

The thought of visions of our heavenly parents actually kind of frightens me. Maybe frighten isn't the right word. I always that our prophet was the only person to have that gift. If others see this vision is that evil showing through to mess with our mind as we try to get closer to Christ? Or are we allowed that gift?

That's what the fullness of the Gospel IS - to be received by the Savior in THIS life, and be brought to the throne of the Father. That's what the temple endowment ceremony teaches us, and what the scriptures teach us. I would recommend reading this article written by forum - member Jeremy:

http://www.journeytothefullness.com/the ... endowment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[aigerim]

The thought of visions of our heavenly parents actually kind of frightens me. Maybe frighten isn't the right word. I always that our prophet was the only person to have that gift. If others see this vision is that evil showing through to mess with our mind as we try to get closer to Christ? Or are we allowed that gift?

That's what the fullness of the Gospel IS - to be received by the Savior in THIS life, and be brought to the throne of the Father. That's what the temple endowment ceremony teaches us, and what the scriptures teach us. I would recommend reading this article written by forum - member Jeremy:

http://www.journeytothefullness.com/the ... endowment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Definitely take Jules advice on this! So much to learn!

[Annalea]

The thought of visions of our heavenly parents actually kind of frightens me. Maybe frighten isn't the right word. I always that our prophet was the only person to have that gift. If others see this vision is that evil showing through to mess with our mind as we try to get closer to Christ? Or are we allowed that gift?

God is no respecter of persons; He denies none who come unto Him. The records we have in scripture of Him revealing Himself to mortals are there to show it can be done, to give us hope and show us the way. Jesus forbade none who petitioned Him, not even the woman who came to Hom for healing who was not a Jew. When He told her He was come first to the Jews, but not yet to the Gentiles, she said, "are not the dogs allowed to eat the scraps that fall from the master's table?" And He healed her.

He loves us . . . Oh, how He loves us! . . . He misses us, and wants us to draw near unto Him. He would love nothing more than to have us turn to Him such that He could appear to each of us, often, and end the separation brought by the Fall.

[Jeremy]

The thought of visions of our heavenly parents actually kind of frightens me. Maybe frighten isn't the right word. I always that our prophet was the only person to have that gift. If others see this vision is that evil showing through to mess with our mind as we try to get closer to Christ? Or are we allowed that gift?

Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;

For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

13 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto them saying:

14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come.

[Louisianamama]

Thank you for those quotes and that article....I'm on my way to it now.

[Nataliya]

How do you guys know that you're not being visited by this being?

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viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32881&p=469760#p469760" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is something else to ponder about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ftBHrfXS_M" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Annalea]

Because I know.

Because I had spent most of my life in fear of evil spiritual forces, have endured a great number of attacks, and even as an angel of light, the enemy of my soul cannot hold a candle to the Love that is Jesus Christ.

But most importantly, because every fruit of my experiences have followed those promised in scripture.

I will keep studying, keep praying, keep believing. And when we ask God for bread, He will not give us a stone. When I pray to Him, He will not turn me over to the dominion of the devil, because that is not what I'm asking for, not what I'm giving permission for. I trust my God to be good. I trust Him to be Lord of All.

It was Lucifer who first questioned what the Lord had said, in the garden, when Eve told him she could not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

And that serpent hasn't stopped questioning what God speaks to us, since.

[Nataliya]

How do you guys know that you're not being visited by this being?

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viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32881&p=469760#p469760" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is something else to ponder about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ftBHrfXS_M" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I’ve just watched another video that should be added to my previous post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaPOE89 ... e&t=20m46s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[eyes2see]

How do you guys know that you're not being visited by this being?

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viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32881&p=469760#p469760" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is something else to ponder about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ftBHrfXS_M" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How do you know that warm, fuzzy, feeling you call the Spirit isn't a manufactured emotional response to HeartSell marketing or an emotional response based on culturally defined expectations?

Those questions are rhetorical, o course, but I hope they cause you to reflect on how condescending and offensive your question is.

Thanks.
E2S

[Nataliya]

How do you guys know that you're not being visited by this being?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32836&p=469472#p469014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32881&p=469760#p469760" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is something else to ponder about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ftBHrfXS_M" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How do you know that warm, fuzzy, feeling you call the Spirit isn't a manufactured emotional response to HeartSell marketing or an emotional response based on culturally defined expectations?

Those questions are rhetorical, o course, but I hope they cause you to reflect on how condescending and offensive your question is.

Thanks.
E2S

That's true, the "warm, fuzzy, feeling" that many call "the Spirit" is one of the tools that these entities seem to be using in their synthetic light realities.

I've been there. My question wasn't meant at all to be condescending or offensive. :ymhug:

[Annalea]

How do you guys know that you're not being visited by this being?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32836&p=469472#p469014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=32881&p=469760#p469760" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is something else to ponder about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ftBHrfXS_M" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How do you know that warm, fuzzy, feeling you call the Spirit isn't a manufactured emotional response to HeartSell marketing or an emotional response based on culturally defined expectations?

Those questions are rhetorical, o course, but I hope they cause you to reflect on how condescending and offensive your question is.

Thanks.
E2S

The Holy Spirit isn't a "warm, fuzzy feeling". It is light. It is fire. It is pure intelligence. Overwhelming love. It cleanses and changes our hearts. It makes us into someone different, better, than we were before. It manifests its presence through the gifts of the spirit, and through miracles as we walk in faith.

If an experience doesn't yield the fruits outlined in scripture, plainly and openly, then you have either starved the seed through unbelief, as Alma warned, or it was not an experience with the Holy Ghost or Jesus Christ.

[Nataliya]

I don’t think that the adversary always refers to the “Holy Spirit” as a "warm, fuzzy feeling". Below are some quotes from the adversary’s messages (signed by Jesus, Virgin Mary, and God the Father). If you click on them, it will take you to the website that posts them.

When the Holy Spirit enters a soul, It brings with It many Gifts. It can be the Gift of Knowledge, the Gift of Tongues, the Gift of Wisdom, the Gift of Love, the Gift of Healing or the Gift of Prophecy.

When the Holy Spirit is present, It will spread like fire and will replicate the Word of God in many tongues. It will bring about the healing of the mind, body and spirit and will bring with it the wisdom, which can only come from God. It will spread conversion globally. This then will be the fruits by which you will know where the Holy Spirit is present. The abundance of every possible Gift, including miracles from Heaven, have now been manifested in the Book of Truth for the good of all – The Book promised to the whole of humanity for these times.

My dearly beloved daughter, when the Fire of the Holy Spirit enters the soul of a person, the first response is one of tears. The second response is one of bewilderment. The third response is the realization that something wonderful – an inner understanding of the Truth of God and all that He desires – has overtaken that particular soul. Suddenly, a peace descends, as well as an acute understanding of the mystery of the Existence of God – the Love of God. All things, which are according to the Word of God, become clear.

My dearly beloved daughter, when My Holy Spirit descends upon a person, a number of things happen. The first is a feeling of bewilderment and disbelief. The second is the sense of being overwhelmed by something so powerful that it renders the person completely dependent upon the Holy Will of God. Gone will be the belief in one’s own superior human intellect, for intellect has no longer any meaningful role to play. Instead, the soul will be infused with knowledge, an insight and an understanding that is beyond their own frail human interpretation.

The Fire of the Holy Spirit will be felt in the hearts of everyone. For those who are in a state of grace, it will be a feeling of joy, love and compassion for Me, your Jesus.

[Rose Garden]

The Holy Spirit isn't a "warm, fuzzy feeling". It is light. It is fire. It is pure intelligence. Overwhelming love. It cleanses and changes our hearts. It makes us into someone different, better, than we were before. It manifests its presence through the gifts of the spirit, and through miracles as we walk in faith.

If an experience doesn't yield the fruits outlined in scripture, plainly and openly, then you have either starved the seed through unbelief, as Alma warned, or it was not an experience with the Holy Ghost or Jesus Christ.

So you're saying it's warm, just not fuzzy? ;)

[heidibear]

I don't remember but my mom says I saw him when I was about 2 or 3. I've felt the Savior holding me during a rough time in my life. I've also felt him close many other times.

[Jeremy]

The Holy Spirit isn't a "warm, fuzzy feeling". It is light. It is fire. It is pure intelligence. Overwhelming love. It cleanses and changes our hearts. It makes us into someone different, better, than we were before. It manifests its presence through the gifts of the spirit, and through miracles as we walk in faith.

If an experience doesn't yield the fruits outlined in scripture, plainly and openly, then you have either starved the seed through unbelief, as Alma warned, or it was not an experience with the Holy Ghost or Jesus Christ.

:ymhug: Spoken with the knowledge only gained through experience. Thank you.

[Annalea]

Thanks, Jeremy. Right back at'cha. :ymhug:

[notjamesbond003.5]

Cronyism

[Annalea]

njb's just got Plain-belly-Sneetch-ism. :p :ymhug:

[Rose Garden]

Damn. I've got a star. Plain bellies are back in?