Word of Wisdom question

[ajax]

As a former pack-a-day smoker...don't start. You will regret it.

Is there such a thing as a pack a day pipe smoker?

Cigs have always smelt gross to me. But pipes.

My point was that tobacco use is dang hard to quit once you start. It doesn't really matter the form.

But yes, pipes can smell pretty darn enticing.

Which is why I probably wouldn't try til about 70ish. I mean by that time, who really gives a rat's-@#$.

But I really couldn't go out without trying a delicious smelling pipe. And the pipes themselves are just so cool looking.

[jbalm]

Good point.

When I get real old, I'm going to shoplift and yell racist things at random people. Then, when someone gets mad, I'll just pee my pants and everyone will forgive me.

I look forward to old age.

[FoxMammaWisdom]

I've always loved the smell and aroma of a good pipe.

Now I know that tobacco users are disgusting sub-humans to be confined eternally to hell.

But still, what y'all think? Maybe not now, but when I'm old and craggily.

Ajax, all you gotta do is poke a few holes in a coke can and do your thing!
I don't think you should wait any longer.. Your eternal salvation is at stake!

=)) Anthony! You spent much too much time with Metallica and your monster mullet!

[FoxMammaWisdom]

I've always loved the smell and aroma of a good pipe.

Now I know that tobacco users are disgusting sub-humans to be confined eternally to hell.

But still, what y'all think? Maybe not now, but when I'm old and craggily.

Not sure about pipes, but I'll say that cigars are overrated....

[BMC]

Is there such a thing as a pack a day pipe smoker?

Cigs have always smelt gross to me. But pipes.

My point was that tobacco use is dang hard to quit once you start. It doesn't really matter the form.

But yes, pipes can smell pretty darn enticing.

Which is why I probably wouldn't try til about 70ish. I mean by that time, who really gives a rat's-@#$.

But I really couldn't go out without trying a delicious smelling pipe. And the pipes themselves are just so cool looking.

I have tried all those in my past life, cigars are "ok" pipes on the other hand can be very tasty and sweet. Both are not to be inhaled, roll the smoke on the tongue in the mouth and blow it away. BY, may join you for a nice cherry tobacco pipe or some other person. ;)

[Beanpicker]

Thanks for the recipe Ajax... I am a new visiting teacher, along with another new convert, and our list has three names of three inactive gals. I have never seen any of them at church, so I think they will like their new teachers. I am going to take them bourbon balls tomorrow.

[Elizabeth]

Why bother doing visiting teaching when your intention is to promote going against LDS teachings?

[swiftbrook]

Visiting teaching is only to promote Mormon traditions? I disagree. Its about love.

[Beanpicker]

And I am not going to mention a word about attending church. I am going to listen to whatever they want to say to me. I want them to know that I care about them. And yes, I want to teach them. I am going to teach about Christ's love for us. I want them to feel accepted and I am not going to judge. Yes, it's about love.

[Elizabeth]

Nonsense. If you are visiting them on assignment from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints then there is a duty to be an example of LDS teachings... including the Word of Wisdom. Otherwise visit of your own accord as a friend, without being accredited with doing official LDS visiting teaching.

[Jeremy]

Otherwise visit of your own accord as a friend, without being accredited with doing official LDS visiting teaching.

Perhaps this is the very way visiting teaching should be. Probably much more powerful and sincere anyhow. Bring the bourbon balls and love, with the constant reminder of Christ and His love. Through action and/or word. Some might have a problem with you doing so "on assignment from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" but its not the church we do the work of. We do the work of Christ. We do the work of Love. Anything else would be "nonsense".

[Lizzy60]

Amen, Jeremy. My visiting teachers come only because it's an assignment, and I would rather not have them come at all. They have even left phone messages saying they need to see me so they can count me visited for the month. Give me a break!!

[Reggie]

Ajax, the bourbon balls were a big hit at the Christmas Eve Party I gave. My son's in-laws are Baptists. Here in the south the Baptists preach against the Mormons from the pulpit. The bourbon balls gave us opportunity to discuss the WOW and move on into other things of the Spirit. With great love I was able to bear witness to them about the spirit of the law and the truthfulness of the restored gospel. I don't think I made any converts last night; but, they know more than they did about the Church. They know that we are Christians. And they know by the power of the Spirit that I have great love for them. Who knew bourbon balls could be a bridge to the gospel. :ymparty: B-)

[deep water]

Some will faint at the sight of a flea, and yet swallow an elephant is what I think.

[ajax]

Ajax, the bourbon balls were a big hit at the Christmas Eve Party I gave. My son's in-laws are Baptists. Here in the south the Baptists preach against the Mormons from the pulpit. The bourbon balls gave us opportunity to discuss the WOW and move on into other things of the Spirit. With great love I was able to bear witness to them about the spirit of the law and the truthfulness of the restored gospel. I don't think I made any converts last night; but, they know more than they did about the Church. They know that we are Christians. And they know by the power of the Spirit that I have great love for them. Who knew bourbon balls could be a bridge to the gospel. :ymparty: B-)

Perfect Reggie. Now imagine if the conversation had taken a different route and not moved beyond what constitutes sin in our food and drink - you know, the "I was at a party and they offered a drink or coffee cake or bourbon balls and I courageously declined, standing for truth and right and against sin" type of stories.

[FoxMammaWisdom]

Nonsense. If you are visiting them on assignment from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints then there is a duty to be an example of LDS teachings... including the Word of Wisdom. Otherwise visit of your own accord as a friend, without being accredited with doing official LDS visiting teaching.

Interesting. I thought VT was about extending the pure love of Christ - not acting as a marketing representative for the church. I suppose your agenda is different than mine.

[Valiance]

Amen, Jeremy. My visiting teachers come only because it's an assignment, and I would rather not have them come at all. They have even left phone messages saying they need to see me so they can count me visited for the month. Give me a break!!

Unreal... talk about phony disciples of Christ. Leaving messages that they need to see you so they can count you as visited? I would call the EQ President and ask for different HT's... these guys you have are a joke. :ymsick:

[chase]

1) Joseph Smith drank wine in the hours before his death. John Taylor reported that this was NOT used as sacrament wine, but to lift their spirits.
2) Nothing in the Word of Wisdom says no coffee.
3) Nothing in the Word of Wisdom says no caffeine.
4) The Word of Wisdom recommends the use of mild drinks made of grain. If you were going to make the argument that "hot drinks" means tea and coffee because those were the hot drinks of the day, you must then accept that the "barley...for mild drinks, as also other grains" is beer. This is the type of grain and barley drink being used in that day. Strong drink=distilled liquor. Mild drink=beer.
5) The Word of Wisdom was not given by way of commandment.
6) The church owned a saloon in Utah that served alcohol. Prohibition was the impetus for the strict adherence to the Word of Wisdom as a commandment.

The commandments you need to concern yourself with in order to secure your salvation: 3 Nephi 11-14. Period. Dot. The scriptures try to explain the metaphysics behind it all in order to instill belief. Once you believe, its the sermon on the mount baby. Quit trying to live according to the whims of society and the commandments of men. Obey Christ.

Edit-As a side note, I do not drink alcohol, coffee, or tea. I can answer the temple interview question as the bishop expects me to.

[hyloglyph]

1) Joseph Smith drank wine in the hours before his death. John Taylor reported that this was NOT used as sacrament wine, but to lift their spirits.
2) Nothing in the Word of Wisdom says no coffee.
3) Nothing in the Word of Wisdom says no caffeine.
4) The Word of Wisdom recommends the use of mild drinks made of grain. If you were going to make the argument that "hot drinks" means tea and coffee because those were the hot drinks of the day, you must then accept that the "barley...for mild drinks, as also other grains" is beer. This is the type of grain and barley drink being used in that day. Strong drink=distilled liquor. Mild drink=beer.
5) The Word of Wisdom was not given by way of commandment.
6) The church owned a saloon in Utah that served alcohol. Prohibition was the impetus for the strict adherence to the Word of Wisdom as a commandment.

The commandments you need to concern yourself with in order to secure your salvation: 3 Nephi 11-14. Period. Dot. The scriptures try to explain the metaphysics behind it all in order to instill belief. Once you believe, its the sermon on the mount baby. Quit trying to live according to the whims of society and the commandments of men. Obey Christ.

Edit-As a side note, I do not drink alcohol, coffee, or tea. I can answer the temple interview question as the bishop expects me to.

This sounds right on

[SpeedRacer]

I have been pondering over the Temple Recommend interview questions, and the experience of them being asked and answered. It is a curious thing when two people sit down to discuss something an their vocabulary is different. The both come away from a conversation with different ideas of what transpired.

If something is prescribed in the WOW, and you are neglecting it, can you expect the blessings?

[jockeybox]

If something is prescribed in the WOW, and you are neglecting it, can you expect the blessings?

I've been thinking about this. In the recommend interview, I'm tempted to say. . .

"Well, I'm doing fine avoiding strong drinks, tobacco. Heck I'm even eating more fruits and grains. But I haven't been consuming my mild barely drink as it states. Wanna grab a cold one and we can knock out the rest of these questions?"