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Thousands of years ago, Abraham learned truths about astronomy that science learned about just recently.

There has been, and still is going on much disputation about Joseph Smith translating the Book of Abraham, and yet, he wrote truths seventy years before Einstein discovered them. But what does Einstein and the Book of Abraham have in common ?

Lets find out ;)



First we will look at the scientific site. For that, let's go a little into Einsteins theorys.



The special theory of relavtivity

Space and time are inseperatly connected to eachother.
This means, if something influences space, it will also influence time. In one space time speeds up, in another space time slows down.


General Theory of Relativity

A further question bothered Einstein, „Why do objects attrackt eachother?“
What power holds the moon around the earth, what power holds the earth around the sun. What is that force?


Einstein explained that „power“ with a very simple example.
Take a mattress, and place a rock upon that mattres. While all surrounding area keeps staying flat, the area dierectly surrounding the rock leaves a depression. If we now roll a marble towards the rock, the rock will attrackt the marble. As heavier as the rock is, as earlier, and as faster will the marble be attrackted towards the rock. We can say the rock „controles“, or „governs“ the marble. ( my own words )




This he called „space curve“, and was an further development of Newtons simple „gravity“.


The same influence the rock has on the marble, can we see with the planets in space. As bigger as a planet is, as more does he controle, or „govern“ the lesser objects. Everything that crosses its spacecurve will get effected by it's pulling power.

Today, scientists even use that space curve to speed up, and to bring into direct course their satelites and spaceships.


Now, what makes all of that even more intersting, is what we learned from Einsteins special theory, that space and time inseperably connected to eachother, meaning, when an heavy planet influences space ( like the rock influences the form of the mattress ), it also has an effect upon time, and upon the speed of how time passes.

If you put an extremely heavy rock on the mattress, it will create a hole. This in space is called a „black hole“. Everything that falls into that hole, may that be another planet, a cheeseburger, light or even time, it will „disapper“, or „stand still“.


You can literally say that there, time stands still. And in science, this is probably the closest definition of eternal life :)


What we learn in short
- As bigger as a planet is, as more does he influence, or „govern“ lesser objects surrounding it
- As bigger as a planet is, as slower will time pass on it
- Being extremely big ( black hole), time will stand still


What does this have to do with Abraham?

 2 And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it;
 3 And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.
 4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
We learn
- Kolob is a great star, „governing“ the smaller ones ( like the sun „governs“ earth )
- Kolob messures time differently, time passes by slower than on earth
- Where God resides, past, present and future are continually before the Lord
 7 But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a sea of glass and fire, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord.

 8 The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim
D&C 130


Currently, science believes that in the middle of each galaxy, there is a black hole, controlling and keeping together, or „governing“ all the stars, and starsystems around it. Time in the middle of our galaxy moves slower, and further on the outside faster. If there truely is a black hole, time will even stand still.


This leaves to ponder.
First, since time towards the middle becomes slower, Kolob will most probably be towards the center. Second, when in the middle is a black hole, where time stands still, may it be possible that God dwells on a black hole ?

Simply, we don't know. But interesting to ponder :)


 
5 And the Lord said unto me: The planet which is the lesser light, lesser than that which is to rule the day, even the night, is above or greater than that upon which thou standest in point of reckoning, for it moveth in order more slow; this is in order because it standeth above the earth upon which thou standest, therefore the reckoning of its time is not so many as to its number of days, and of months, and of years.

 6 And the Lord said unto me: Now, Abraham, these two facts exist, behold thine eyes see it; it is given unto thee to know the times of reckoning, and the set time, yea, the set time of the earth upon which thou standest, and the set time of the greater light which is set to rule the day, and the set time of the lesser light which is set to rule the night.

 7 Now the set time of the lesser light is a longer time as to its reckoning than the reckoning of the time of the earth upon which thou standest.

 8 And where these two facts exist, there shall be another fact above them, that is, there shall be another planet whose reckoning of time shall be longer still;

 9 And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.

As closer as we come to Kolob, time passes.
 10 And it is given unto thee to know the set time of all the stars that are set to give light, until thou come near unto the throne of God.

Abraham got all the insight that Einstein learned thousands of years later, and we can only asume that Abraham knew even much more.

What Abrahem called „govering“, Einstein called „space curve“. Both thaught that „greater“ objects do influene, or govern the lesser ones. Both taught that time speeds up on smaller objects, and slows down on bigger objects.


Isn't that a great testimony of the Book of Abraham?

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It is a great testimony, and pretty amazing. And if Joseph Smith wrote it as many accuse, JS understood this theory before Einstein ever lived.

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Joseph was truely inspired. And even though these scientific "confirmations" are nothing we should build on, they are still quiet interesting :)

Einstein and others discovered even more things that we alraedy "knew" before science learned about it, from the scriptures. For example Einstein, and others also found out how "light" was the "power" in the big bang theory that caused the formation of matter. We read in D&c about the "light of Christ", and how the earth, the moon, and the strars were created by that light, and how it keeps all things alive. Science and D&C talk about the same light.

This is another quiet interesting topic I may write about some other time :)

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Simon wrote:Thousands of years ago, Abraham learned truths about astronomy that science learned about just recently.
Awesome post! It caught my eye as I loging in... There are a few fundamental flaws in what you are saying and I will briefly point them out if I may....(And I may because you can't stop me via this forum thing...LOL) :D
I have a friend who was shown via revelation and vision a number of things regarding atomic physics, how light and matter and time all relate. He has been able to convert light/photons into electrons and visa-versa in his home as well as recreate photosynthesis in his home, disproved a number of commonly accepted theories. Anyway, one of the thing he learned is that we define time incorrectly.

When you say that time slows down, we tend to think of tv shows where we see one character moving faster than the other characters so that for them time has slowed down and they are able to accomplish tons of stuff in a few seconds or run thousands of miles in a minute, (like the flash). This actually means that time sped up for that person while remaining the same for everyone else.

Time is a result of the ability of light to move. Time is not seconds or hours. Those are standardized measurements of time like a cup, a quart, centimeter, meter, etc. Time IS change or the movement of light. All things are made of light which is mass/energy carried by photons. When the light has "interference" in the electromagnetic spectrum, it moves more slowly and everything made of light also moves more slowly. Because the speed of light is slowed, and everything is made of light, everything is slowed. Electrons are slowed. So, electrons circle atoms move slowly. Chemical reactions are slowed. Your brain sends signals to move your arm more slowly. You think slower, talk slower, everything moves slower. You age slower. Everything goes slower.

If God was living in slower time, where one of his days was a thousand years to us because time was slower and not because the revolution of his sphere was larger then our lives would appear to him as a record being played in super fast mode. Before he could comprehend us we would be gone. If we saw him in His time while remained in our time, he would appear frozen, unmoving. We would live our whole lives faster than He would be able to blink.

In a black hole, time appears to be completely frozen, but it isn't entirely. Matter is "crushed" and broken down into certain forms of energy which can escape. I think it was gamma waves coming from the poles. Can't remember. But the process is slow because time moves so slowly and time moves so slowly because gravity interferes with the electromagnetic spectrum because it is a result of lots of electromagnetic energy confined in to a small space (dense mass/energy), etc... So, when the gamma waves escape a black hole, they speed up/move faster the further away they get from the black hole. But from the reckoning of the gamma wave itself, it was always moving at the speed of light. It could not tell the difference between the speed at which it moved inside the black hole and the speed it moves as it is leaving the black hole and the speed at which it moves once outside the black hole. We can tell because we are watching from outside the phenomenon, (if we could observe what was happening inside the black hole.

Just thought I would throw that out to chew on.

What a fun topic!

Peace and Joy,
Amonhi

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Hey Amonhi,

Thanks for your input.

You are right, there may by flaws within how we do interpret certain things, but my point in writing this post was the show how we can "test" science with our scriptures. My point was to show facts from the scriptures, that correlate with "facts" from science. And my point also was to proove that Abraham, aswell as Joseph Smith, knew quiet a bit about "science" long before they found out.. I can see not any flaw with these things.

The flaw will arise as soon as we start to go deeper, and try interpret certain things, which can be interesting too.. But this is were we have to live with the fact that it my be nothing more than personal speculation.

When I find more time, I will respond to your post in more detail ;)

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I have had several revelations on physics and for me aside from the spiritual confirmation i've had of the BOA, the accuracy of the physics described is a great asset to my testimony. I have a few more things to add
The prophet said "all things are matter" even spirit is only "matter refined".

He also said there are two types of matter. 1) the witness (one to act) and 2) and the other to be acted upon
When you go down into sub atomic particles, there are up quarks, down quarks, bottom quarks, etc. They are all decaying and breaking off into new particles like chain reactions. One is always acting upon the other and obeying the intelligence of light.

Joseph said "Intelligence" is light. To "fulfill the measure of creation" the light is what provides the "intelligence" and is what makes all matter, spirit matter. This is just another way of describing the Higgs Boson or "God particle." It gives all matter its mass, and through photons and gravitons (photons and gravitons being the witness and one being acted upon) it controls entropy and the arrow of time. We here on earth experience time slower, but as you get down to particles that are traveling at the speed of light, they are obeying the intelligence from the ultimate light (Kolob). Everything is relative to time eternal and Gods light which is called Hyparxis. Hyparxis is only viewable at the particle level.

Joseph knew all these things over a hundred years before sub atomic particles were discovered. It is not by chance brothers and sisters. Joseph was a true prophet of God, and the Lord unlocked many mysteries to him. Time has attested to it

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Amonhi wrote:
Simon wrote:Thousands of years ago, Abraham learned truths about astronomy that science learned about just recently.
When you say that time slows down, we tend to think of tv shows where we see one character moving faster than the other characters so that for them time has slowed down and they are able to accomplish tons of stuff in a few seconds or run thousands of miles in a minute, (like the flash). This actually means that time sped up for that person while remaining the same for everyone else.

Time is a result of the ability of light to move. Time is not seconds or hours. Those are standardized measurements of time like a cup, a quart, centimeter, meter, etc. Time IS change or the movement of light. All things are made of light which is mass/energy carried by photons. When the light has "interference" in the electromagnetic spectrum, it moves more slowly and everything made of light also moves more slowly. Because the speed of light is slowed, and everything is made of light, everything is slowed. Electrons are slowed. So, electrons circle atoms move slowly. Chemical reactions are slowed. Your brain sends signals to move your arm more slowly. You think slower, talk slower, everything moves slower. You age slower. Everything goes slower.

In a black hole, time appears to be completely frozen, but it isn't entirely. Matter is "crushed" and broken down into certain forms of energy which can escape. I think it was gamma waves coming from the poles. Can't remember. But the process is slow because time moves so slowly and time moves so slowly because gravity interferes with the electromagnetic spectrum because it is a result of lots of electromagnetic energy confined in to a small space (dense mass/energy), etc... So, when the gamma waves escape a black hole, they speed up/move faster the further away they get from the black hole. But from the reckoning of the gamma wave itself, it was always moving at the speed of light. It could not tell the difference between the speed at which it moved inside the black hole and the speed it moves as it is leaving the black hole and the speed at which it moves once outside the black hole. We can tell because we are watching from outside the phenomenon, (if we could observe what was happening inside the black hole.

Just thought I would throw that out to chew on.

What a fun topic!

Peace and Joy,
Amonhi
I would love to talk to your friend some time. I too had revelations about the same principles. He is spot on, except for a few more things i would add. Then again im getting this info second hand lol

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