Are Mormons Saints or Christian?

[Bgood]

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[jdawg1012]

I don't know that I would say that the Book of Mormon "restored" anything. The Church was restored after receiving the Book of Mormon. The Little Book that Nephi sees that restores the plain and precious truths to the Bible is the Pearl of Great Price. The book of Mormon is ANOTHER testament of Jesus Christ.

What was lost were the plain and precious truths, contained in the pearl of Great Price. Independently, the Book of Mormon, like the Bible, contains the fulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Bgood]

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[oneClimbs]

Yes. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a Christian church but is neither Catholic nor Protestant. Rather, it is a restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ as originally established by the Savior in the New Testament of the Bible.

Technically, the "gospel" was never lost; knowledge of the death burial and resurrection of Christ has persisted.

Priesthood keys and authority was lost. Knowledge of Celestial law was also lost and/or suppressed. The ordinances that enabled exaltation were lost and/or suppressed

We were left mostly with terrestrial law minus any path to exaltation.

Celestial law, ordinances of exaltation and authorized servants were restored for the purpose of establishing a Zion and fulfilling the Abrahamic covenant by making these blessings available to those of the past along with any in the present who would assist in the work and choose to receive them.

[Bgood]

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[Lilli]

My husband's whole side is non-lds and many of them would say our Church is not Christian because they don't feel we follow Christ in some ways, like with polygamy and divorce and remarriage. Those were their 2 biggest issues they believe Christ and his apostles taught against.

[log]

Another major difference between the God of the LDS Church and that of historical Christianity lies in the fact that the God of the Bible forgives "completely". In Isaiah 43:25 we read, "I, even I, am He that bloteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins." In Jeremiah 31:34 it says God "will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Hebrews 8:12 states, "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." How comforting to know that the God of the Bible wills not to remember the believer's past sins!
The God of Mormonism, however, must keep in remembrance past transgressions for D&C 82:7 warns, "And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto the soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God." There is no possible way that these two beings can be the same.

Indeed, but there is a possible way you could be misrepresenting the totality of the Bible on this subject.

Hebrews 10
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hmm.

But wait! There's more.

Are "Christians," as Bgood defines them, actually Christians?

Ask them if they have been born again; then ask them if they sin.

1 John 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Then ask them if they are perfect.

1 John 4
17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Because, after all, whoever is not born again is not a "Christian," right? And liars go to hell.

Revelation 21:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And take it back up to Hebrews 10, and Hebrews 6, and 2 Peter 2:20-22, and so on.

Now, I have seen all of Bgood's objections answered. Having read all of Nibley's collected works, and up to around 4 years ago everything that FARMS (Review and Journal) and FAIR put out, as well as much of Blake Ostler's writings, I recognize that Bgood has not done his homework. Everyone who pays the price in study and faith will find that each and every issue he presents has been answered.

Incidentally, plagiarism is against the forum rules: http://www.mrm.org/god-of-mormonism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As is promoting apostate doctrine, contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

[log]

Incidentally, because I realize that doing what I have done might be TL;DR for most, here's an interesting essay entitled "Mormon Apologetic Scholarship and Evangelical Neglect: Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It?" It's written by a couple of evangelical scholars.

[Simon]

Mormons have to choose, do they want to be Christians, Mormons or Saints ;-)