We Owe the Brethren Politeness

[log]

We owe them less than the poor, the suffering and the cold and the hungry.

Since when did being a respecter of persons become ok?

[InfoWarrior82]

I don't believe your response to this has adequately pointed out any error. Do you still disagree with this?

I agree you believe what you believe.

I think 1 Kings 13 complicates your simplistic claim that the Lord deals directly with his wayward prophets. I think the example of King David and Nathan would further complicate your claim, properly understood, but I also already have projected a high degree of probability that your response would be "David wasn't a prophet." While I could then respond that Psalms constitutes a significant portion of the Old Testament, and he certainly was acting as a prophet and his words have been taken as scripture, yet I would have to agree the word "prophet" is not explicitly attached to David anywhere that I know of, yet he stood in the divine council (Psalm 2) indicating that he was a true prophet, whether or not the word got applied to him. However, I have also estimated a high degree of probability that you would disagree with the significance of standing in the divine council, and it's a conversation I don't feel like having, especially since I believe it would drag on and for no purpose.

So it suffices me to say that I think your simplistic assertion is historically false, on the strength of 1 Kings 13.

Yep. David was not a prophet of God. Got anything else?

Perhaps you could explain 1 Kings 13 to me, then?

[Jeremy]

We owe these men nothing more than we owe anyone else.

Agreed.

We owe them less than the poor, the suffering and the cold and the hungry.

...are we not all beggars?

They are no more anointed than you or I.

Agreed.

THEY owe us politeness.

I am worthy of holding no one in debt to me of heavenly things.

They also owe us honestly, and financial transparency.

Perhaps if I were a stock holder in the corporation I could demand such a thing.

Threads like this belong in web sites like www iamacultmember dotcom

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.

[log]

I don't believe your response to this has adequately pointed out any error. Do you still disagree with this?

I agree you believe what you believe.

I think 1 Kings 13 complicates your simplistic claim that the Lord deals directly with his wayward prophets. I think the example of King David and Nathan would further complicate your claim, properly understood, but I also already have projected a high degree of probability that your response would be "David wasn't a prophet." While I could then respond that Psalms constitutes a significant portion of the Old Testament, and he certainly was acting as a prophet and his words have been taken as scripture, yet I would have to agree the word "prophet" is not explicitly attached to David anywhere that I know of, yet he stood in the divine council (Psalm 2) indicating that he was a true prophet, whether or not the word got applied to him. However, I have also estimated a high degree of probability that you would disagree with the significance of standing in the divine council, and it's a conversation I don't feel like having, especially since I believe it would drag on and for no purpose.

So it suffices me to say that I think your simplistic assertion is historically false, on the strength of 1 Kings 13.

Yep. David was not a prophet of God. Got anything else?

Not until you deal with 1 Kings 13, which shows the Lord dealing with one of his wayward prophets through someone who was not the Lord.

[InfoWarrior82]

Not until you deal with 1 Kings 13, which shows the Lord dealing with one of his wayward prophets through someone who was not the Lord.

I did.

Who are the players in this chapter?

1. The man of God.

2. The old "prophet".

3. The King.

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1. The man of God is deceived by the "prophet".

2. The man of God is punished by God for not keeping the Lord's commandments.




In other words... the man of God is the real prophet in this chapter. The old man "prophet" is a false prophet. This false prophet did nothing but say "neener neener neeeeener! Got ya!"



Chapter 13
Jeroboam is smitten and then healed by a prophet from Judah—The prophet delivers his message, is led astray by a prophet from Bethel, and is slain by a lion for his disobedience—Jeroboam continues false worship in Israel.

1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the Lord unto Beth-el: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.

2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the Lord, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the Lord; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the ahigh places that burn incense upon thee, and men’s bones shall be bburnt upon thee.

3 And he gave a sign the same day, saying, This is the sign which the Lord hath spoken; Behold, the altar shall be arent, and the ashes that are upon it shall be poured out.

4 And it came to pass, when king Jeroboam heard the saying of the man of God, which had cried against the altar in Beth-el, that he put forth his hand from the altar, saying, Lay hold on him. And his hand, which he put forth against him, dried up, so that he could not pull it in again to him.

5 The altar also was rent, and the ashes poured out from the altar, according to the sign which the man of God had given by the word of the Lord.

6 And the king answered and said unto the man of God, Entreat now the face of the Lord thy God, and pray for me, that my hand may be restored me again. And the man of God besought the Lord, and the king’s hand was restored him again, and became as it was before.

7 And the king said unto the man of God, Come home with me, and refresh thyself, and I will give thee a reward.

8 And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place:

9 For so was it charged me by the word of the Lord, saying, Eat no bread, nor drink water, nor turn again by the same way that thou camest.

10 So he went another way, and returned not by the way that he came to Beth-el.

11 ¶Now there dwelt an old prophet in Beth-el; and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Beth-el: the words which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father.

12 And their father said unto them, What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came from Judah.

13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the @#$. So they saddled him the @#$: and he rode thereon,

14 And went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest from Judah? And he said, I am.

15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me, and eat bread.

16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place:

17 For it was said to me by the word of the Lord, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest.

18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an aangel spake unto me by the word of the Lord, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and bdrink water. But he lied unto him.

19 So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water.

20 ¶And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the Lord came unto the prophet that brought him back:

21 And he cried unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the Lord, Forasmuch as thou hast adisobeyed the mouth of the Lord, and hast not kept the commandment which the Lord thy God commanded thee,

22 But camest back, and hast eaten bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the Lord did say to thee, Eat no bread, and drink no water; thy carcase shall not come unto the sepulchre of thy fathers.

23 ¶And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the @#$, to wit, for the prophet whom he had brought back.

24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the @#$ stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase.

25 And, behold, men passed by, and saw the carcase cast in the way, and the lion standing by the carcase: and they came and told it in the city where the old prophet dwelt.

26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the Lord: therefore the Lord hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake unto him.

27 And he spake to his sons, saying, Saddle me the @#$. And they saddled him.

28 And he went and found his carcase cast in the way, and the @#$ and the lion standing by the carcase: the lion had not eaten the carcase, nor torn the @#$.

29 And the prophet took up the carcase of the man of God, and laid it upon the @#$, and brought it back: and the old prophet came to the city, to mourn and to bury him.

30 And he laid his carcase in his own agrave; and they mourned over him, saying, Alas, my brother!

31 And it came to pass, after he had buried him, that he spake to his sons, saying, When I am dead, then bury me in the sepulchre wherein the man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones:

32 For the saying which he cried by the word of the Lord against the altar in Beth-el, and against all the houses of the high places which are in the cities of Samaria, shall surely come to pass.

33 ¶After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became one of the priests of the high places.

34 And this thing became asin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.

[log]

Not until you deal with 1 Kings 13, which shows the Lord dealing with one of his wayward prophets through someone who was not the Lord.

I did.

Who are the players in this chapter?

1. The man of God.

2. The old "prophet".

3. The King.

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1. The man of God is deceived by the "prophet".

2. The man of God is punished by God for not keeping the Lord's commandments.

It seems you wish to avoid calling #1 what he is called in the scripture: a prophet (1 Kings 13:18).

I understand why you might wish to avoid calling him a prophet - because it means you cannot maintain your position in light of the scriptures.

Oh well.

And no, calling the old man a "false prophet" is to transfigure, or wrest, the scripture. And underlining and putting things in red doesn't work.

Your position is inconsistent with the scriptures.

[InfoWarrior82]

It seems you wish to avoid calling #1 what he is called in the scripture: a prophet (1 Kings 13:18).

I understand why you might wish to avoid calling him a prophet - because it means you cannot maintain your position in light of the scriptures.

Oh well.

And no, calling the old man a "false prophet" is to transfigure, or wrest, the scripture.

Put your reading glasses on and re read my last post. I edited it to be more eye-catching. It's plain that this "prophet" was not a prophet of God. Instead a prophet of some other god.

*** ALSO*** Read the chapter heading.

[log]

It's plain that this "prophet" was not a prophet of God. Instead a prophet of some other god.

It is not only not "plain that this 'prophet' was not a prophet of God," he even speaks in the name of the Lord and it happens.

Underlining things and putting it in red font doesn't make words magically appear in the scripture, you know.

Oh gosh, let's look at this chapter heading.

Jeroboam is smitten and then healed by a prophet from Judah—The prophet delivers his message, is led astray by a prophet from Bethel, and is slain by a lion for his disobedience—Jeroboam continues false worship in Israel.

Huh. Two prophets mentioned, just like in the text.

[clarkkent14]

Put your reading glasses on and re read my last post. I edited it to be more eye-catching. It's plain that this "prophet" was not a prophet of God. Instead a prophet of some other god.

*** ALSO*** Read the chapter heading.

Not sure where you're getting this? It explicitly calls them both prophets.

[InfoWarrior82]

It's plain that this "prophet" was not a prophet of God. Instead a prophet of some other god.

It is not only not "plain that this 'prophet' was not a prophet of God," he even speaks in the name of the Lord and it happens.

Underlining things and putting it in red font doesn't make words magically appear in the scripture, you know.

Oh gosh, let's look at this chapter heading.

Jeroboam is smitten and then healed by a prophet from Judah—The prophet delivers his message, is led astray by a prophet from Bethel, and is slain by a lion for his disobedience—Jeroboam continues false worship in Israel.

Huh. Two prophets mentioned, just like in the text.

There are different kinds of prophets. Is this the first time you have heard of this concept? Does the term "false prophet" ring a bell? Wow. I am simply amazed.

[log]

Put your reading glasses on and re read my last post. I edited it to be more eye-catching. It's plain that this "prophet" was not a prophet of God. Instead a prophet of some other god.

*** ALSO*** Read the chapter heading.

Not sure where you're getting this? It explicitly calls them both prophets.

For him to be right that prophets are always dealt with by the Lord, and never by anyone that is not the Lord, one of them has to be a false prophet.

See?

[log]

It's plain that this "prophet" was not a prophet of God. Instead a prophet of some other god.

It is not only not "plain that this 'prophet' was not a prophet of God," he even speaks in the name of the Lord and it happens.

Underlining things and putting it in red font doesn't make words magically appear in the scripture, you know.

Oh gosh, let's look at this chapter heading.

Jeroboam is smitten and then healed by a prophet from Judah—The prophet delivers his message, is led astray by a prophet from Bethel, and is slain by a lion for his disobedience—Jeroboam continues false worship in Israel.

Huh. Two prophets mentioned, just like in the text.

There are different kinds of prophets. Is this the first time you have heard of this concept? Does the term "false prophet" ring a bell? Wow. I am simply amazed.

You know, if I could just put words in the scriptures to make the scriptures say whatever I want, the scriptures would say whatever I wanted.

But I think that is probably a bad thing to do.

Mormon 8:33
33 O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people... why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls?

[InfoWarrior82]

Put your reading glasses on and re read my last post. I edited it to be more eye-catching. It's plain that this "prophet" was not a prophet of God. Instead a prophet of some other god.

*** ALSO*** Read the chapter heading.

Not sure where you're getting this? It explicitly calls them both prophets.

For him to be right that prophets are always dealt with by the Lord, and never by anyone that is not the Lord, one of them has to be a false prophet.

See?

Log, log, log... *shakes head* No, my brother, no. Just no.

How I measure a true prophet from a false prophet in this chapter:

the old man "LIED". Yeah, didn't you read that word? I'm sure you did! If not, you can go back and read it again. So the dude LIIIIEEED when he said the Lord and His angels told him to say the things he said.

I'm not the one trying to fit the scriptures into something it's not. It's you.

Case. Closed.



Chapter 13
Jeroboam is smitten and then healed by a prophet from Judah—The prophet delivers his message, is led astray by a prophet from Bethel, and is slain by a lion for his disobedience—Jeroboam continues false worship in Israel.

1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the Lord unto Beth-el: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.

2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the Lord, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the Lord; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the ahigh places that burn incense upon thee, and men’s bones shall be bburnt upon thee.

3 And he gave a sign the same day, saying, This is the sign which the Lord hath spoken; Behold, the altar shall be arent, and the ashes that are upon it shall be poured out.

4 And it came to pass, when king Jeroboam heard the saying of the man of God, which had cried against the altar in Beth-el, that he put forth his hand from the altar, saying, Lay hold on him. And his hand, which he put forth against him, dried up, so that he could not pull it in again to him.

5 The altar also was rent, and the ashes poured out from the altar, according to the sign which the man of God had given by the word of the Lord.

6 And the king answered and said unto the man of God, Entreat now the face of the Lord thy God, and pray for me, that my hand may be restored me again. And the man of God besought the Lord, and the king’s hand was restored him again, and became as it was before.

7 And the king said unto the man of God, Come home with me, and refresh thyself, and I will give thee a reward.

8 And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place:

9 For so was it charged me by the word of the Lord, saying, Eat no bread, nor drink water, nor turn again by the same way that thou camest.

10 So he went another way, and returned not by the way that he came to Beth-el.

11 ¶Now there dwelt an old prophet in Beth-el; and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Beth-el: the words which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father.

12 And their father said unto them, What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came from Judah.

13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the @#$. So they saddled him the @#$: and he rode thereon,

14 And went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest from Judah? And he said, I am.

15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me, and eat bread.

16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place:

17 For it was said to me by the word of the Lord, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest.

18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an aangel spake unto me by the word of the Lord, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and bdrink water. But he lied unto him.

19 So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water.

20 ¶And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the Lord came unto the prophet that brought him back:

21 And he cried unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the Lord, Forasmuch as thou hast adisobeyed the mouth of the Lord, and hast not kept the commandment which the Lord thy God commanded thee,

22 But camest back, and hast eaten bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the Lord did say to thee, Eat no bread, and drink no water; thy carcase shall not come unto the sepulchre of thy fathers.

23 ¶And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the @#$, to wit, for the prophet whom he had brought back.

24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the @#$ stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase.

25 And, behold, men passed by, and saw the carcase cast in the way, and the lion standing by the carcase: and they came and told it in the city where the old prophet dwelt.

26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the Lord: therefore the Lord hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake unto him.

27 And he spake to his sons, saying, Saddle me the @#$. And they saddled him.

28 And he went and found his carcase cast in the way, and the @#$ and the lion standing by the carcase: the lion had not eaten the carcase, nor torn the @#$.

29 And the prophet took up the carcase of the man of God, and laid it upon the @#$, and brought it back: and the old prophet came to the city, to mourn and to bury him.

30 And he laid his carcase in his own agrave; and they mourned over him, saying, Alas, my brother!

31 And it came to pass, after he had buried him, that he spake to his sons, saying, When I am dead, then bury me in the sepulchre wherein the man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones:

32 For the saying which he cried by the word of the Lord against the altar in Beth-el, and against all the houses of the high places which are in the cities of Samaria, shall surely come to pass.

33 ¶After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became one of the priests of the high places.

34 And this thing became asin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.

[log]

For him to be right that prophets are always dealt with by the Lord, and never by anyone that is not the Lord, one of them has to be a false prophet.

See?

Log, log, log... *shakes head* No, my brother, no. Just no.

How I measure a true prophet from a false prophet in this chapter:

the old man "LIED". Yeah, didn't you read that word? I'm sure you did! If not, you can go back and read it again. So the dude LIIIIEEED when he said the Lord and His angels told him to say the things he said.

Case. Closed.

Joseph lied about polygamy.

Case. Closed.

[clarkkent14]

There are different kinds of prophets. Is this the first time you have heard of this concept? Does the term "false prophet" ring a bell? Wow. I am simply amazed.

Please show us where you're getting the notion that one of them is a false prophet? They both hear the word of the Lord. They both hearkened to it, until one of them decided to listen to a man instead of keeping the commandments he had received already directly from the Lord.

[InfoWarrior82]

For him to be right that prophets are always dealt with by the Lord, and never by anyone that is not the Lord, one of them has to be a false prophet.

See?

Log, log, log... *shakes head* No, my brother, no. Just no.

How I measure a true prophet from a false prophet in this chapter:

the old man "LIED". Yeah, didn't you read that word? I'm sure you did! If not, you can go back and read it again. So the dude LIIIIEEED when he said the Lord and His angels told him to say the things he said.

Case. Closed.

Joseph lied about polygamy.

Case. Closed.

=))

[InfoWarrior82]

There are different kinds of prophets. Is this the first time you have heard of this concept? Does the term "false prophet" ring a bell? Wow. I am simply amazed.

Please show us where you're getting the notion that one of them is a false prophet? They both hear the word of the Lord. They both hearkened to it, until one of them decided to listen to a man instead of keeping the commandments he had received already directly from the Lord.

Ok.. glasses ready? :-B

Chapter 13
Jeroboam is smitten and then healed by a prophet from Judah—The prophet delivers his message, is led astray by a prophet from Bethel, and is slain by a lion for his disobedience—Jeroboam continues false worship in Israel.

1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the Lord unto Beth-el: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.

2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the Lord, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the Lord; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the ahigh places that burn incense upon thee, and men’s bones shall be bburnt upon thee.

3 And he gave a sign the same day, saying, This is the sign which the Lord hath spoken; Behold, the altar shall be arent, and the ashes that are upon it shall be poured out.

4 And it came to pass, when king Jeroboam heard the saying of the man of God, which had cried against the altar in Beth-el, that he put forth his hand from the altar, saying, Lay hold on him. And his hand, which he put forth against him, dried up, so that he could not pull it in again to him.

5 The altar also was rent, and the ashes poured out from the altar, according to the sign which the man of God had given by the word of the Lord.

6 And the king answered and said unto the man of God, Entreat now the face of the Lord thy God, and pray for me, that my hand may be restored me again. And the man of God besought the Lord, and the king’s hand was restored him again, and became as it was before.

7 And the king said unto the man of God, Come home with me, and refresh thyself, and I will give thee a reward.

8 And the man of God said unto the king, If thou wilt give me half thine house, I will not go in with thee, neither will I eat bread nor drink water in this place:

9 For so was it charged me by the word of the Lord, saying, Eat no bread, nor drink water, nor turn again by the same way that thou camest.

10 So he went another way, and returned not by the way that he came to Beth-el.

11 ¶Now there dwelt an old prophet in Beth-el; and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Beth-el: the words which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father.

12 And their father said unto them, What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came from Judah.

13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the @#$. So they saddled him the @#$: and he rode thereon,

14 And went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest from Judah? And he said, I am.

15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me, and eat bread.

16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place:

17 For it was said to me by the word of the Lord, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest.

18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an aangel spake unto me by the word of the Lord, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and bdrink water. But he lied unto him.

19 So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water.

20 ¶And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the Lord came unto the prophet that brought him back:

21 And he cried unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the Lord, Forasmuch as thou hast adisobeyed the mouth of the Lord, and hast not kept the commandment which the Lord thy God commanded thee,

22 But camest back, and hast eaten bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the Lord did say to thee, Eat no bread, and drink no water; thy carcase shall not come unto the sepulchre of thy fathers.

23 ¶And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the @#$, to wit, for the prophet whom he had brought back.

24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the @#$ stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase.

25 And, behold, men passed by, and saw the carcase cast in the way, and the lion standing by the carcase: and they came and told it in the city where the old prophet dwelt.

26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the Lord: therefore the Lord hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake unto him.

27 And he spake to his sons, saying, Saddle me the @#$. And they saddled him.

28 And he went and found his carcase cast in the way, and the @#$ and the lion standing by the carcase: the lion had not eaten the carcase, nor torn the @#$.

29 And the prophet took up the carcase of the man of God, and laid it upon the @#$, and brought it back: and the old prophet came to the city, to mourn and to bury him.

30 And he laid his carcase in his own agrave; and they mourned over him, saying, Alas, my brother!

31 And it came to pass, after he had buried him, that he spake to his sons, saying, When I am dead, then bury me in the sepulchre wherein the man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones:

32 For the saying which he cried by the word of the Lord against the altar in Beth-el, and against all the houses of the high places which are in the cities of Samaria, shall surely come to pass.

33 ¶After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became one of the priests of the high places.

34 And this thing became asin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.

[log]

Since Joseph lied about polygamy, a prophet lying does not mean he is not a prophet.

Your position is contrary to the scriptures. Again. Quoting 1 Kings 13 even a billion more times will not change the text, neither will painting the same verse in red alter its meaning.

[Jeremy]

Quoting 1 Kings 13 even a billion more times will not change the text, neither will painting the same verse in red alter its meaning.

:ymhug: Maybe once more though, just for fun.

[clarkkent14]

Nephi lied too...

And I spake unto him as if it had been Laban.

[clarkkent14]

There are different kinds of prophets. Is this the first time you have heard of this concept? Does the term "false prophet" ring a bell? Wow. I am simply amazed.

Please show us where you're getting the notion that one of them is a false prophet? They both hear the word of the Lord. They both hearkened to it, until one of them decided to listen to a man instead of keeping the commandments he had received already directly from the Lord.

Ok.. glasses ready? :-B

11 ¶Now there dwelt an old prophet in Beth-el; and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Beth-el: the words which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father.

12 And their father said unto them, What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came from Judah.

13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the donkey. So they saddled him the donkey: and he rode thereon,

14 And went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest from Judah? And he said, I am.

15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me, and eat bread.

16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place:

17 For it was said to me by the word of the Lord, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest.

18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an aangel spake unto me by the word of the Lord, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and bdrink water. But he lied unto him.

19 So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water.

20 ¶And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the Lord came unto the prophet that brought him back:

21 And he cried unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the Lord, Forasmuch as thou hast adisobeyed the mouth of the Lord, and hast not kept the commandment which the Lord thy God commanded thee,

22 But camest back, and hast eaten bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the Lord did say to thee, Eat no bread, and drink no water; thy carcase shall not come unto the sepulchre of thy fathers.

23 ¶And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the donkey, to wit, for the prophet whom he had brought back.

24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcase was cast in the way, and the donkey stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcase.

25 And, behold, men passed by, and saw the carcase cast in the way, and the lion standing by the carcase: and they came and told it in the city where the old prophet dwelt.

26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the Lord: therefore the Lord hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake unto him.

27 And he spake to his sons, saying, Saddle me the donkey. And they saddled him.

28 And he went and found his carcase cast in the way, and the donkey and the lion standing by the carcase: the lion had not eaten the carcase, nor torn the donkey.

29 And the prophet took up the carcase of the man of God, and laid it upon the donkey, and brought it back: and the old prophet came to the city, to mourn and to bury him.

30 And he laid his carcase in his own agrave; and they mourned over him, saying, Alas, my brother!

31 And it came to pass, after he had buried him, that he spake to his sons, saying, When I am dead, then bury me in the sepulchre wherein the man of God is buried; lay my bones beside his bones:

32 For the saying which he cried by the word of the Lord against the altar in Beth-el, and against all the houses of the high places which are in the cities of Samaria, shall surely come to pass.

33 ¶After this thing Jeroboam returned not from his evil way, but made again of the lowest of the people priests of the high places: whosoever would, he consecrated him, and he became one of the priests of the high places.

34 And this thing became asin unto the house of Jeroboam, even to cut it off, and to destroy it from off the face of the earth.

He didn't lie about being a prophet, he lied about being visited by an angel and being commanded to bring him back. Then he prophesied in the name of the Lord and it came to pass. Saying otherwise is wresting the scriptures.

[Jeremy]

Nephi lied too...

and murdered...and stole...and...


(prepare for apologists response to "justify" said actions - no need - its simple, God told him too)

[Thomas]

Food for thought. The JST transaltion says lied not.

[clarkkent14]

Food for thought. The JST transaltion says lied not.

cannot be true... you used the wrong damn color!

[clarkkent14]