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I am uploading an attachment which consists of a copy of several pages from the book "Spiritual Vision," written by a father/son duo by the name of Irving and David Cohen (not the same David Cohen as previously discussed re: Planet X going supernova, etc.), who are Jewish converts to the LDS Church.

Their theory about the antichrist and the sign/mark of the beast (bottom of page 44, continuing on page 45) is one of the more interesting theories that I have seen in awhile, and thought I would throw it out for discussion.

Yep. Interesting.

And there is a lot in the works to make it so that there are unique identifiers (either bio, like finger or retina printing) and many other things that are being pushed because they make identity theft difficult. These things are coming and most people will embrace it because they can then pursue Babylon safely without worrying about their credit line being stolen.

Hmmm. Very interesting. I'll have to have a good think about that.

:-ss We are planning on using amazon.com to do most of our Christmas shopping...

Thanks Tmac.

Interesting. The wo stuff sounded interesting to.

That defintetly is a good match, WWW. Crazy. I can see most of this coming through obamacare.

What are we being "forced" to buy on the Internet; and who is doing the forcing?

Edited to add: There you go, TZONE....that is where I was headed with my questions.

problem with this theory is that it's speculation based on an assumption that the book of revelations was written in Hebrew. Many scholar believe it, along with the rest of the NT, was written in Greek. This theory may hold true IF the BoR was written in Hebrew originally. interesting thought regardless.

Could it be bitcoin? That currency that keeps a record of every transaction. Every transaction is recorded and spread across the globe to all bitcoin miners. Without the internet, bitcoin cannot function.

Wiki on bit coin:
"While Bitcoin uses cryptography, it does not do so to protect the privacy of individuals, and all transactions are logged in a public file called the blockchain. It is possible, although difficult, to associate bitcoin transactions with real-life identities. In addition, Bitcoin intermediaries such as exchanges are required to collect personal customer data."

Numerical names were popular in Greek. In fact, I've read some Biblical scholars who use it as proof that the BoR was written in Greek.

Here's the system: http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/numbers/greek/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Revelations 13:8 wrote:Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

It sounds like the beast's name has a numerical value of 666. I tried Obama, doesn't fit. The Long O by itself is 800....bummer. XD

Actually, this is all interesting to me....I actually never considered the Beast being one specific single person. I always thought the Beast was a country or ideology or...some sort of group. Communism or the "New World Order" kind of thing. Internet fit right in there. This name thing has thrown my theories for a loop.

Unless the name by which they call themselves adds up to 666....but it sounds like John's talking about a single man there. Interesting.

The point of all of this is, shouldn't we develop an alternative economy now so we can trade and live?

Mark of the Beast is the initiation into one of Satan's many secret societies. You really can't make real money without signing up. John compares and contrasts Satan marking his people and God sealing His people.

Antichrist doctrine is doctrine of trinity which most all Christian Churches accept.

When the Jews convert to LDS in the future, and then the Jews start converting the heathen nations, the Gentiles will say the LDS are the Church of the Antichrist.

The mark of the beast has nothing to do with barcodes, tatoos, chips, retina scans, or SIM cards. The conspiracy themselves love to spread this disinformation.

davedan wrote:Mark of the Beast is the initiation into one of Satan's many secret societies. You really can't make real money without signing up. John compares and contrasts Satan marking his people and God sealing His people.

Antichrist doctrine is doctrine of trinity which most all Christian Churches accept.

When the Jews convert to LDS in the future, and then the Jews start converting the heathen nations, the Gentiles will say the LDS are the Church of the Antichrist.

The mark of the beast has nothing to do with barcodes, tatoos, chips, retina scans, or SIM cards. The conspiracy themselves love to spread this disinformation.

davedan, do you have references?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/11/busin ... .html?_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"postal-service-and-amazon-strike-deal"

1 John 4: 3 "and evey spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flsh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist. where of ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

The spirit of antichrist attacks the mission, diety, and nature of the relationship of Christ with the Father.

John in Revelations compares and contrast's the Mark of the Beast (Rev 7:2; 13:16-17) with the Sealing of God (Rev 14:1, . Knowing what the "Sealing" is, the "Mark" does not have anything to do with barcodes or sim cards or retinal scans.

The Book of Mormon tells us about the peaceful unification of the people of Mulek and the people of Nephi. King Zarahemla and his people who outnumbered and derived their authority of Mulek, the son of King Zedekiah submitted to King Mosiah and became Nephites. Is there not a type and shadow in this thing? Will the Jews in the Last Days join Ephraim and become one religious nation?

Ezekiel 37:22 "I will make them (Judah and Ephraim) one nation"

D&C 45:54 "And then (after the Jews are converted v53) shall the heathen nations be redeemed, and they that knew no law"

I have heard many evangelicals lately saying that the antichrist will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem and create a new world religion that will attract converts all over the Earth. Convenient story as we know that the Jews will not just be Christian but will become LDS. So, Satan will finally be able to convince the Gentiles that the LDS Church is the church of the antichrist.

firefly wrote:Could it be bitcoin? That currency that keeps a record of every transaction. Every transaction is recorded and spread across the globe to all bitcoin miners. Without the internet, bitcoin cannot function.

Wiki on bit coin:
"While Bitcoin uses cryptography, it does not do so to protect the privacy of individuals, and all transactions are logged in a public file called the blockchain. It is possible, although difficult, to associate bitcoin transactions with real-life identities. In addition, Bitcoin intermediaries such as exchanges are required to collect personal customer data."

It couldn't be Bitcoin under it's current state. Bitcoin is a complex topic, but there are ways to use bitcoins to achieve greater anonymity than any other currency. There's a reason Silk Road uses Bitcoin.

In theory, if government forced everyone to have a single public key (for receiving funds), then it would be a trivial matter to track transactions. However, Bitcoin currently allows users to generate an infinite number of public keys.

Honestly, I think that is the exact same guy, David Cohen, of supernova fame. I bought and read that book along with his other book back in the day before the supernova never came.