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I think I much prefer that which the scriptures call "the plan of salvation," found in Moses 6:48-62.

Great diagram, but I would draw Celestial Kingdom as the smallest and Telestial Kingdom as the biggest sphere, seeing as its inhabitants are as numerous as the sands of the sea.

Not a huge fan of that diagram. One of the primary doctrinal errors in people's heads is thinking of the "3 degrees" as final destinations to be achieved only after death.

It doesn't help that we read Brigham Young's statement before each endowment session, that specifically frames the ascent to God as postmortal.

Nowhere in the endowment ritual do we dramatize the death of Adam and Eve. Amen to log. The endowment dramatizes the true plan of salvation: the sanctification and redemption of man right now.

stillwater wrote:Not a huge fan of that diagram. One of the primary doctrinal errors in people's heads is thinking of the "3 degrees" as final destinations to be achieved only after death.

It doesn't help that we read Brigham Young's statement before each endowment session, that specifically frames the ascent to God as postmortal.

Nowhere in the endowment ritual do we dramatize the death of Adam and Eve. Amen to log. The endowment dramatizes the true plan of salvation: the sanctification and redemption of man right now.

Ditto. +1

The diagram needs to be burned. It is fundamentally flawed. We should liken these scriptures to OURSELVES, not to mankind as a whole.

log wrote:I think I much prefer that which the scriptures call "the plan of salvation," found in Moses 6:48-62.

You beat me to it.

I don't know about it, me my self have a problem with deliving that you have to be married to go to the celestial kingdom and I am a member of the church, I mean is there really going to be marriage in heaven, can any one help me out with this

devonatkins wrote:I don't know about it, me my self have a problem with deliving that you have to be married to go to the celestial kingdom and I am a member of the church, I mean is there really going to be marriage in heaven, can any one help me out with this

Doctrine and Covenants 131:2
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];

New and Everlasting Covenant
See also Covenant

The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ (D&C 66:2). It is new every time it is revealed anew following a period of apostasy. It is everlasting in the sense that it is God’s covenant and has been enjoyed in every gospel dispensation where people have been willing to receive it. The new and everlasting covenant was revealed again to men on earth by Jesus Christ through the prophet Joseph Smith. It contains sacred ordinances administered by priesthood authority—such as baptism and temple marriage—that provide for man’s salvation, immortality, and eternal life. When people accept the gospel and promise to keep God’s commandments, God covenants to give them the blessings of his new and everlasting covenant.

I will establish my covenant between me and you:Gen. 17:7;
He shall have the covenant of an everlasting priesthood:Num. 25:13;
The people changed the ordinances and broke the everlasting covenant:Isa. 24:5; ( D&C 1:15; )
I will make an everlasting covenant with you:Isa. 55:3; ( Jer. 32:40; )
It shall be an everlasting covenant:Ezek. 37:26;
The Lord made a new covenant, and the old passed away:Heb. 8:13;
Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant:Heb. 12:24; ( D&C 76:69; )
This is a new and an everlasting covenant:D&C 22:1;
I have sent my everlasting covenant into the world:D&C 45:9; ( D&C 49:9; )
The Lord sent the fulness of his gospel, his everlasting covenant:D&C 66:2; ( D&C 133:57; )
In order to obtain the highest degree in the celestial kingdom, a man must enter into the new and everlasting covenant of marriage:D&C 131:1–2;
The new and everlasting covenant was instituted for the fulness of the Lord’s glory:D&C 132:6, 19

ALSO:
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

[I don't think a short version of all these things would have sufficed.] Sorry.