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TheLion wrote:I talked to the Bishop today instead of going to the missionaries. Rather quick conversation, he simply asked when do you want to do it? Getting baptized in two weeks.

TheLion wrote:I talked to the Bishop today instead of going to the missionaries. Rather quick conversation, he simply asked when do you want to do it? Getting baptized in two weeks.

Rand wrote:

TheLion wrote:I talked to the Bishop today instead of going to the missionaries. Rather quick conversation, he simply asked when do you want to do it? Getting baptized in two weeks.

Elder Packer said once that: nothing truly important in life happens until you are baptized. Congratulations and I hope it is a sacred experience for you.

clarkkent14 wrote:

Rand wrote:

TheLion wrote:I talked to the Bishop today instead of going to the missionaries. Rather quick conversation, he simply asked when do you want to do it? Getting baptized in two weeks.

Elder Packer said once that: nothing truly important in life happens until you are baptized. Congratulations and I hope it is a sacred experience for you.

I wonder if Joseph Smith would agree with that.

Congrats TheLion. Remember this is just the beginning!

TheLion wrote:Aussie and jbalm, thanks for the added information. I am well aware of group think and expectations of groups to want all members to go all in. I do not live in Utah, but even if I did it wouldn't matter. For the vast majority of my life I have lived in very liberal areas and opinions/emotions are flung around like irrefutable facts and anyone that doesn't fully agree and state it at the top of their lungs is some form of an "ist." I have always found my own answers and could care less if closed minded people are bothered by me. Especially, people that do nothing more than parrot information. People that do research themselves, thus finding their own answers, and I have always gotten along well. Even if we disagree. It's the closed minded people with the least invested that are threatened of others, perhaps because don't want to admit their laziness in a quest for knowledge.

The church like any group is multifaceted, some will buy into all aspects without due diligence. They however are easy to spot, as are the ones that are thinkers by their tact in avoiding certain conversations.

My wife and are are both on the same plane, I am fortunate to have a very smart and wise partner. We have already spoken with primary teachers and do so often to learn what they will be teaching. If it's something we don't want our 4 & 5 year olds exposed to yet we withhold them from primary that lesson under the guise of other commitments. When we feel they are ready is when they will be exposed to that, and only after some preparation by us so it is more understandable to them and less emotionally impactful. For example, they talked about the crucifixion. A very violent act, yet significant. We felt that teaching that to a four year old was a bit much. So we taught it in a way that was less violent and guilt inducing. We have found churches love teaching guilt. Which is a shame, instead it should be focused soley on love. The love Jesus had for us to do that, instead of focusing on us being sinners so he had to sacrifice himself. We followed it up with examples of no one being perfect, yet people still love us and want and do what is best for us with love. Allowing us to learn and grow. A simple yet illustrative example. I'd go into more detail on our lesson but I dislike typing much on my smart phone.

Thanks for all thoughts, they have been received as generous and well intentioned.